A couple of 20-year-old developers make $500,000 a month promising to help men to stop watching porn, but exposed their private porn watching habits.
“Porn addiction” is being pushed by fundamentalist christians, to force a complete total porn ban, nothing more.
Sex addiction, to some degree, is literally coded into your brain, unless you’re a certain kind of asexual.
Same. The nofap thing always felt wrong to me. You cannot claim publicly that you don’t masturbate unless there is some kind of “god will be happy if I behave well according to the bible or some other shit.”
US has always been weird about sex. If it weren’t for alcohol, it would never happen.
look it up, corn flakes and Graham crackers were both designed to prevent masturbation.
I think they’re pretty effective. Have you ever tried to masturbate with corn flakes and graham crackers? It’s rough.
100% effective when they put a big picture of Marjorie Taylor Green on the box.
These are some wild takes I have only ever seen on lemmy. I mean you can argue about the need for public proclamation, but “nofap” has a lot of self-esteem, social benefits. There are two different worlds, one where you fep, the other where you are giddy and horny and fepless.
Pretty sure you can comfortably argue the whole thing. No doubt there are benefits both sides depending on the individual and their circumstances, but I have never heard anyone outside internet even mention “nofap” or equivalents. I know zero people who would’ve even just mentioned it. So anyone I have ever known would also have these “wild takes”. Pretty sure none of them are in lemmy, and it’s not much wider a set if I include those that realistically could be but I just don’t know. So I’ve only ever seen your take in memes about incels and now, in lemmy, right here.
You could argue that the stigma on Masturbation fuels the self esteem etc problems and the improvement once people address it.
If it works for some, great!
Btw not saying there isn’t a lot of rotten stuff about the porn industry, sexy-economics and stuff. Still, just gaving a good wank is great.
What would you like it to be called then when someone spends 4+ hours a day, 5+ days a week masturbating to porn, feels terrible about it, tries to quit, and then immediately caves and falls right back into the same cycle?
How do you think a person like that feels when they’re hit with all these accusations the second they open up about wanting their normal life back? Reading these comments honestly makes me sick. Just fucking imagine the backlash if almost any other mental-health issue affecting tens of millions of people got ridiculed here the way porn addiction does.
I’m sure you can find recovering alcoholics who equally advocate for alcohol prohibition, but you’d have to be out of your damn mind to jump on someone the moment they mention cutting back on drinking and start accusing them of being a puritan or whatever. Yet somehow that passes for sound logic when it’s about someone trying to quit porn.
That’s an entirely different thing, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypersexuality
Also see my other comment: https://lemmy.world/comment/22596497
Your justifications for these views fall quite deep into the conspiracy land.
Wanting to quit / cut back on porn is not synonymous with being anti-porn and “hypersexuality” is not an official medical diagnosis neither.
Prior to Christian fundamentalists influencing the academic world in the last couple decades, there used to be a distinction between “addiction” and things like “compulsory behaviors” or “habits”.
Alcohol has physiological withdrawal symptoms.
Calling this out is not to undermine those who have real behavioral issues, but to highlight the malicious influence of these very real and VERY well-funded groups. This isn’t some conspiracy theory- there are plenty of documents from government agencies about how sexual restriction and shame is used to control people. The Islamic State pretty famously used this in their recruiting and training programs to radicalize people.
The fault lies not with porn, but with societal repression of sexuality. There will always be people who have behavioral issues- most of which are not sexually related. And any well-functioning society should have the resources available to help those people.
Here’s a person “addicted” to eating drywall. Should we pass laws mandating age verification for purchasing construction materials now? Should we make a bunch of apps with sketchy security to help people track their drywall eating habits?
Nobody here is advocating for banning porn or even restricting anyone’s access to it. I’ve never met a single person struggling with what I call porn addiction - whether it clinically qualifies as addiction or not - who wants to restrict other people’s access to it.
There doesn’t need to be any ideology attached to one’s personal desire to quit or cut back on their porn consumption.
That is always where the argument goes. That is what the Christian Fundamentalists that u/ZILtoid1991 was referring to are calling for. It starts with claiming that this is some huge problem plaguing whatever country they are in, and inevitably leads down the road of invading privacy and authoritarian control.
Are you seriously not able to acknowledge that some people simply want to fix their own lives and don’t care what others do with theirs? Does everyone talking about their porn addiction have a secret agenda? Is that really what you think?
Wow this comment section is actually awful. If you’re somehow seeing this early on in the list: get out of here before it’s too late. There are some really, really toxic takes in here.
You weren’t kidding, it’s baffling how they came to some of these conclusions.
You’re right! Holy fuck people are fucked. I want to respond to each of them and tell them so but there’s no point. I can’t educate them hard enough. I’ll have to settle for this release valve here.
Who says Lemmy can never replace Reddit?
I’m going in.
Me too!
Mike Johnson?
Mike Johnson.
Fuck, there it is.
John Madden.
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Mike Hawk
No, Mike Hunt
While he may use this, I believe he used something called covenant eyes.
Still a terrible idea to trust a software to not expose you in one way or another.
People are so fucking weird
Masturbating I get, becoming addicted to something you enjoy I get, using a third party app to try to break your addiction seems dumb but I get how desperation can make you dumb
What I absolutely can’t get is what anyone could productively do with this data. Like, I don’t even think blackmailing someone with this could work. The worst you could say about someone with it is that they had a porn habit they didn’t like and were trying to change it, and anyone rational is just gonna say “I don’t see what’s the big deal with watching porn, but good on you for attempting some kind of self improvement I guess.”
Oh No NaKeD mAmMaLs
Most people are not really rational, though, so the blackmail would still work very well.
Repression is what does it. Check out Japan after our puritanical takeover. They’re… different now.
What a grift.
Is that the one speaker of the house used with his son?
Nah that’s covenant eyes or something like that.
Giving a business details of your most intimate private life. What could go wrong!?
Nooooo not the gooners.
First they came for the gooners, but being gooners they already came themselves.
🥹🥲
“Porn addiction? There’s an app for that.”
… Should have just rented out chastity cages.
There’s a way to get around that, usually through the backdoor.
Right. That just leads to a pegging addiction.
HAHA they logged their whackin’ off activity into an app to upload that data to the cloud. Did they not ever think “what could go wrong with this?”
People just really let the damn phone apps run their whole lives don’t they. I’m so glad I got to grow up before smartphones existed.
its creators, Alex Slater and Connor McLaren, did not fix its security issues despite multiple requests and an offer from an independent researcher to help them fix the problem.
FUN! How much ya wanna bet this was vibe-coded?
It was, but the actual problem I have with the app is that it had 90% margin. Talk about quick and dirty cash grab.
Once you learn how to CODE, you’ll realize how dumb it is to blame everything on AI.
Who’s blaming AI? The people using AI instead of learning how to CODE are the ones being blamed.
Once you learn how to code, you’ll realize how dumb it is to vibecode.
Right. It’s called using AI. Not letting your vibes make decisions. Glad you agree.
The vibe coding thing is a meme that originated in what devs at Microsoft said about how they develop while using AI, if I recall correctly. So vibe-coding has become synonymous with using AI to write the majority of your code.
Vibecommenting?
One of my biggest gripes with coding AI like Claude is how desperately polite and flattering they are. I wish there was a way to feed it hand written code to analyze for bugs and security flaws, then have the AI relentlessly roast your shitty code.
"LMFAO, you dumb b!tch! Are you trying to get hacked and sued, by <insert dumb shit here> or are you just that stupid? Here are a few steps you can take to fix your shit code and have it adhere to standard coding practices. "
You can give it rules.
I work with Gemini a lot and I told it to cut all the polite crap out and just give the facts I need.
On the rare occasion I use LLMs, I just wish they would respect my request for a list of like twenty bullets and nothing else, instead I get two paragraphs of bs and four bullets.
not the predictable outcome or a predatory marriage of capitalism and puritanicalism
If it didn’t have a subscription I’d get on there and see if I could get to the top of the leaderboard. If they know when guys are waxing the tadpole then they know who is doing it the most.
Got to give them a hand. They really found a vast and **untapped **(emphasis) market.
