• MrVilliam@sh.itjust.works
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    Wow! You mean that thing that a shitload of people were screaming warnings about has finally been heard? And only 18 months too late to do anything about it! At this rate, they might figure out that trump is a pedophile before he dies. I sure do have a lot of hope that future elections are gonna go well and totally not be ratfucked out in the open with no pushback of any actual consequence. I’m glad that there will be a stern letter threatening to file a lawsuit (that will never happen) due to armed CBP and ICE at the polls terrorizing BIPOC. Inspiring stuff, papa Schumer!

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      • Democrats can only win the election if they support the Israeli ethnic cleansing of Gaza and the West Bank

      • The only reason Democrats lost the election was because far-left pro-Hamas single-issue voters handed it to Donald Trump by failing to vote for Kamala Harris

      Listen, Donald Trump is the worst. The absolute worst. Therefore, Democrats should be allowed to endorse a genocide to win an election. Anyone who disagrees is basically Russian.

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        The only reason Democrats lost the election was because far-left pro-Hamas single-issue voters handed it to Donald Trump by failing to vote for Kamala Harris

        And you definitely should not mention the part where Holocaust Harris still would’ve lost even if she received every single third-party vote, even including Libertarians who usually lean right. Blue MAGA is as hostile towards that basic fact as Red MAGA is towards… most basic facts.

        EDIT: See? Downvotes for basic, verifiable math lol

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          Holocaust Harris still would’ve lost even if she received every single third-party vote

          Obviously it wasn’t just the third party voters who betrayed her, but all the non-voters as well.

          She ran the perfect campaign, but was stabbed in the back!

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      The sensible liberal centrist position to take is “a bit of genocide”. So instead of sending 35 billion in military aid, you send 20. It’s called realpolitik, and it’s the adult thing to do.

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    All the crummy neo-lib takes makes me regret having voted for it to begin with. I compromised myself for the sake of damage control and I’m furious about it. I consider a neo-liberal as no better than MAGAt because when the mask comes off, they aren’t.

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      We’ve seen the mask of humanity fall off, and we’re asked not to believe what we’ve seen with our own eyes. It’s absolutely disgusting. I’ve seen liberals call not wanting to support an actual genocide a purity test. I’ve seen them refer to billions in military aid for a genocide “not perfect” (the implication being “good enough for me”).

      Now, finally, American fascism is turning inward. They finally feel even just 1% of the violence they’ve been meting out on the rest of the world for decades, under every single president since Eisenhower. They deserve all of it, and more.

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        Yeah, I often think about that post that goes something like, “Donald Trump has done more damage to the American Empire and its propaganda machine than the last few decades of leftist organizing.”

        I don’t like it. But I’m not sure it’s wrong either lmao

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      Republicans support Israel. Democrats support Israel. Republicans are worse. Therefore, you must support Israel or the Republicans win.

      No, shut up. We will not cancel your student debt. We will not expand Medicare or Medicaid ever again. In fact, we’re rolling back all those COVID extensions Trump signed, because we need to focus on the national debt. Progressive policies are TOO EXPENSIVE. And now I’m sending Israel another $10B to fight ISIS or Hamas or whatever, idk anymore.

      If you keep complaining, I’m going to assume you’re one of those Bernie Sanders Chinese Communist bot accounts.

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    Why would anyone waste their time studying something that’s blatantly obvious?

    Can someone conduct a study to confirm that hot is hot and cold is cold?

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    Uh duh? And also just one of many, many things that her campaign screwed up.

    Like backing away from going after price gouging corporation and ignoring the economic reality of the Average American and speaking of the recovery and inflation reduction in the academic abstract instead of to the average sixth grade reading level American.

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    The only thing to blame for her defeat is the American republican voters who are too fucking stupid and selfish to not be complete assholes. There is always things one could have done better, not having done perfect is just reality.

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        So just like Trump? Harris isn’t the one planning on profiting from real estate development in the gaza ffs. That’s who Republicans voted for.

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          Doesn’t really matter what happens after if the original goal is the mass murder and elimination of a culture. If I was Palestinian I would’ve sat out the election. Its easy to complain when no one you actually know was being bombed in an open air prison.

          Americans are complaining about ICE arresting children and shooting citizens but thats been happening in Palestine for decades.

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            One of the two options will get chosen. Abstaining only increases the chance the worse of the options for you is more likely. Being a single issue voter and not voting if that single issue isn’t what you want is irresponsible to yourself. Whoever wins will affect your life in a myriad of ways beyond that single issue and throwing away your influence over that, as small as it may be, is simply foolish. If you aren’t also participating in the systems that choose the candidates, nevermind finding and supporting politicians who do reflect your values, you’re doing a disservice to yourself.

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              There is no worse option than a genocide. And last I checked there was no primary last election. This was about the presidential election.

              You folks who try to shame Arabs/Muslims for sitting out the last election get on my nerves. Refusing the false choice of youre ppls extermination and likening it to single issue voting spits on their struggle. Its the equivalent of telling a black person in 1968 that not voting Nixon because hes a massive racist makes them foolish single issue voters.

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                The issue and the demographic of the voter are immaterial. If you refuse to vote based on one issue then you give up your influence over all the other issues as well. You don’t have to like it or think it’s just, or fair, or right. It’s about whether you will use the political power you do have to influence the things that will affect you or not.

                Being Arab or Muslim or black or white or Christian or athiest or young or old, or anything else, doesn’t matter in regard to whether you use the power you have or not.

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      Your diseased “lesser evil” dogma is how we got to the point where supporting the modern-day holocaust is framed as “not having done perfect”.

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        Choosing the lesser of two evils is life. Welcome to it. You don’t always get to choose your options and mitigating the worst is a responsibility. Trump was easily the worst, and also supports the genocide. But Republicans couldn’t seem to figure that out. Apparently just like you.

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              You said “choosing the lesser of two evils is life”. And yet I lived without doing so. Almost like it’s not an inevitable aspect of life. Almost like you cling to that narrative as a cognitive tool, something to contextualize your actions as inevitable and unavoidable in order to avoid the guilt you’re rightfully due for endorsing genocidaires to run the most powerful military our species has ever known.

              Anyway, leftists are apparently such a powerful segment of the electorate that you blame us for Democrats losing. You know what that’s called in politics? Leverage. We can make you lose, according to your own narrative. Guess you better start listening to our demands unless you want to keep losing. We’re in charge, after all. You just said so.

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                “What do you mean by life, then?” Is what you could have asked but instead you wrote two paragraphs arguing against the strawman you created for yourself to play with. I won’t get in the way, keep playing with yourself.

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    Sure let’s blame the scapegoat so we don’t have to say America has a racism and sexism problems.

    Every time I bring this up people down vote me into oblivion and I expect this post to be no different but I’ll keep trying until we can maybe admit it and figure out what to do.

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      Why didn’t the racism affect Obama’s presidential campaign? But let’s be clear, the popular vote between Harris and Trump was very close.

      • Trump - 77,303,568 - 49.81%
      • Harris - 75,019,230 - 48.34%
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    If you voted against Harris because of her Gaza stance, or daresay… voted for Trump because you thought he’d do a better job, congratulations, you elected a candidate who probably has his head even further up Netanyahu’s arse than the Biden Administration did…

    You reap what you sow.

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      a candidate who probably has his head even further up Netanyahu’s arse

      You’re not even sure are you.

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        I’m sorry that I understand how a two-party state run by two ruling parties funded by billionaire lobbyists works…

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          I understand

          oh do you now? And yet centrist opinions like yours lost the last election and the dem party lost votes across nearly every demographic of the Dem base voters. Seems your “understanding” is flawed.

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            I’m not from the US so you can’t really say that I lost.

            I live in the UK where we are facing a similar predicament. A lot of people vote on class lines and for the same two parties based on the lesser-of-two-evils because they don’t want to waste their vote and give the worse party power.

            The difference is that our two main establishment parties (the Conservatives and Labour) have catastrophically fucked things up over the past fifteen years, and now a MAGA-like far-right party headed by Nigel Farage is being overwhelmingly pushed by the press. People here overwhelmingly disagree with things like zero-hours contracts and privatizing the NHS, yet haven’t read into any of Reform UK’s policies and will vote for Farage anyway because he seems a bit more charismatic and the media oligarchs are heavily pushing him.