Mozilla’s latest edition of *Privacy Not Included reveals how 25 major car brands collect and share deeply personal data, including sexual activity, facial expressions, and genetic and health information.
  • dan69@lemmy.worldEnglish
    3·
    11 hours ago

    “Analysts estimate that by 2030, car data monetization could be an industry worth $750 billion.” Yo I bare the weight of the ads on my public bus/train rides… now why the heck would I want a modern car?

  • SpiceDealer@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    12·
    21 hours ago

    Here’s some tips:

    1. Sticking to this community’s name, ditch the automobile all together and adopt a hybrid approach of cycling and public transit. Buy and/or build a good bike or e-bike and learn the local bus route and/or routes of any other public transit.

    2. For those of us still stick in Der Orangenführer’s fascist regime, stick to cars made before 2012. Some cars were going to high tech before this but it’s bond to be outdated but check if it’s still used.

    • Rob T Firefly@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      7 hours ago

      This is reminding me of a talk I had with a mechanic friend in the early 1990s, when integrated electronics started showing up in basic functions of a lot of new cars. People like him, who didn’t know crap about computers but were really good at the mechanical concerns when cars were pretty much mechanical devices - fuel goes in here, controlled explosions in that box there turn other things which make wheels go, and a bunch of cords and plumbing to connect it all up and levers and gears to direct the mechanical energy - were having to confront what to do when that mysterious circuit board began to need work.

      This talk happened when I was visiting to set up a new cassette-based telephone answering machine for his auto workshop’s office and tutor him in its use, because he was that hopeless with electronics.

  • Batmorous@lemmy.worldEnglish
    11·
    1 day ago

    Time for opensourcevehicles and opensourcetransit to become a thing. I’m one of many people interested in doing that. Anyone have spitball ideas on how to go about doing that?

    Trying to think up some simpler first projects, how to get it funded, and how to get a community for that up and running

    Also, some people were interested in making opensourcebusiness community. If anyone is still interested then please do it there was 7 people I remember that were interested at the time for that

    We can also get opensourceanimation, opensourceuiux, and way more up and running. To slowly transform our world and get open source to grow even more

    Edit: Would be cool for people to get community projects made for bikes, electric bikes, bike-cars, cars, VTOL’s, and way more overtime. Trams, trolleys, trains, high speed rail, airplanes, submarines, airships, etc

    Edit 2: Main focus being people-focused transit. Didn’t realize I was in fuckcars. If we are going to have any transit might as well be open source especially EV’s

        • ilinamorato@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          22 hours ago

          I’m not sure how much about a regular bike needs to be any more open source than it already is. The patent has long since expired. It’s not like there’s any major bike manufacturer trying to lock in owners.

    • pomegranatefern@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
      2·
      1 day ago

      Someone elsewhere in the thread linked https://www.openmotors.co/product/tabbyevo/, which I had never heard of before and which is actually pretty fascinating.

      I’d obviously say the best open source vehicles are bikes and scooters, but I understand that currently isn’t an option for everyone and that even in the ideal scenario there’s going to need to be a small number of cars, trucks and vans. IDK how practical something like this will really be, but it’s at least pretty neat.

      • Batmorous@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        1 day ago

        Awesome thanks for the heads up! Feel like it will be possible just for bigger projects it will definitely need a community open source everything approach

  • Sakurai@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    1·
    20 hours ago

    There’s more than enough spying capability on most smartphones. I’m not worried about my car at all.

  • ExLisperAEnglish
    13·
    2 days ago

    It’s even trickier with EVs.

    On the one hand you can charge your EV at home and no one knows about it.

    On the other, you can’t pay for a public charger with cash, there’s always a trail. Cars have unique identifiers that are communicated to the charger when connected. Each time you charge in public they know exactly who are you and what car it is.

    • mrgoosmoos@lemmy.caEnglish
      4·
      1 day ago

      Each time you charge in public they know exactly who are you and what car it is.

      because they designed it that way. it doesn’t need to be designed that way.

      and there’s no reason you couldn’t pay for charging your car in cash just like with a gas pump

      • ExLisperAEnglish
        2·
        1 day ago

        You can pay with cash at a gas station.

        Many smaller gas stations don’t have automated license plate scanning systems to track customers. I’m not even sure if bigger gas stations do it.

          • ExLisperAEnglish
            1·
            1 day ago

            So I guess we don’t have to worry about privacy in cars. Since everyone is tracked anyway being tracked by your car doesn’t change anything.

            • Venat0r@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              3 hours ago

              also your phone…

              But the car tracking you is another source of much more individualised data, and recordings of your conversations inside the car is much easier with better mics that a lot of cars have than a phone mic …

              Also it’s one more party collecting the data so more risk of leaks etc.

  • amino@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    14·
    2 days ago

    i wonder if snipping off your car’s modem completely stops the flow of data. like sure, your car’s CPU is still gathering that data but they have no way to retrieve it. unless you visit a dealership or authorized mechanic shop?

    • quick_snail@feddit.nlEnglish
      13·
      2 days ago

      Ding ding. Airgaps get broken when you bring it to the dealer, they plug it in, and it downloads and uploads all your data.

      You gotta neuter the sensors

            • mrgoosmoos@lemmy.caEnglish
              1·
              21 hours ago

              that’s how I treat my airbag recall

              like, sure, I could take it in. but that’d mean I’d have been in a crash. just don’t crash. my first car didn’t even have a passenger airbag, they should consider themself lucky it might work at all

      • amino@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        5·
        2 days ago

        maybe it’s different here in Europe, but why not avoid dealerships all-together? do you just not have third party mechanic shops?

        • quick_snail@feddit.nlEnglish
          1·
          1 day ago

          What do you think the third party mechanic plugs into the car to read data from the computer?

            • quick_snail@feddit.nlEnglish
              1·
              1 day ago

              No, but you think they’re going to use open source software?? The dealer wrote the software. They’ll make it call home to the mothership.

              Unless you find a mechanic that will perma airgap their computer. Good luck

              • amino@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
                2·
                12 hours ago

                good point, I never thought about that. sounds like we should keep our mechanics to higher standards haha

        • mrgoosmoos@lemmy.caEnglish
          2·
          21 hours ago

          unfortunately not much of an option up here in Ontario

          government is still overusing road salt because people can’t be bothered to learn to drive better…

            • mrgoosmoos@lemmy.caEnglish
              2·
              8 hours ago

              tbf, I actually should have done that on this car. I didn’t realize when I bought just how difficult it would be in the future to find a suitable replacement. so now it will live until the frame falls apart

              in retrospect, I should have known. wagons were already off the new market when I bought this one.

    • Mac@mander.xyzEnglish
      4·
      2 days ago

      I do because I’m fuckin’ broke. But this is a nice benefit.