Donald Trump has asked for at least $100bn (£75bn) in oil industry spending for Venezuela, but received a lukewarm response at the White House as one executive warned the South American country was currently “uninvestable”.

Bosses of the biggest US oil firms who attended the meeting acknowledged that Venezuela, sitting on vast energy reserves, represented an enticing opportunity.

But they said significant changes would be needed to make the region an attractive investment. No major financial commitments were immediately forthcoming.

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    So basically, it looks like he committed an international crime for oil and then won’t even get the oil. No one should be surprised, I guess. Incompetence is the only constant.

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      This actually sounds more like they want American troops to turn Venezuela into not-Venezuela… THEN they would feel safe investing.

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        Trump puts troops in Venezuela.

        Oil execs: ya know, it’s mighty difficult to ensure security using only boats, it’d be better if we were in control all the way from the US via land.

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      The oil execs are saying it’s “uninvestable” precisely because they know how incompetent Trump is.

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      I’m starting to see how he managed to bankrupt the casino. It’s because he won’t stop committing pointless crimes that don’t in fact benefit him in any way.

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      Bailout time… Trump will give them the money to invest and make them whole from previous losses

      You know damn well big oil put him up to this.

      It’s smoke and mirrors

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    Whaaaaaaaat? Dragging the dirtiest type of oil out of the ground from a country still resisting invasion isn’t going to be cost effective?

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    What a fucking doofus Trump is. He couldn’t consider the cost of his actions - and the likely fallout of the same - if his life depended on it.

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      He’s so bad at business that he doesn’t realise that companies won’t want to oversaturate the market and lower their margins. This is a concept of 12-year-old should be able to understand.

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    So when he was on air force one and said that he’d spoken to the oil companies before the invasion. That was obviously a lie.

    Is brain really is mush isn’t it.

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    Yeah, this is why every article that mentions Venezuelas huge oil reserves needs to also mention it is the costliest/ lowest margin oil too. Not all oil reserves are the same, the Saudis being able to pull a barrel out for $15 and sell it for $80 is a way different position then Venezuela pulling a barrel out for $60 and selling it for $70.

    It is probably just part of the media manufacturing consent for regime change: “look how resource rich Venezuela is and how poor the people are, it must be because the evil Maduro regime” completely ignoring sanctions. Yeah mismanagement is part of the reason Venezuela is doing poorly but even if they were run perfectly with no corruption they still wouldn’t be living like the Saudis.

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      Yep. Canada’s tar sands are similar. Low grade tar that can be sold for cheap or upgraded for profit. Either way though even without counting labour standards and wages it costs twice as much to pull it out of the ground and we’ll sell it for half as much

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    When you account for inflation, oil prices today are in line with oil prices in the early 2000s. The price is too low, and the risk is too high for massive infrastructure spending that would extract more oil from Venezuela to be worth it.

    Possibly, green energy technologies are now on a trajectory to overtake fossil fuels altogether - and they are already a factor in driving the price of fossil fuels (and therefore the profitability of many wells and mines) down substantially. If that happens, the long term value of Venezuela’s oil reserves, without suitable infrastructure already built for extraction, could be close to zero.

    In line with small government ideals, the best thing to do is let companies decide whether and how much to invest, but that won’t be a headline worth showing off. So Trump is trying to make $100B happen, and believes that that (alone) will restore the Venezuelan economy to the way it was.

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      Here’s the podcast episode description:

      When people think of oil rich nations their mind generally goes to Saudi Arabia, Iraq and the US.

      But according to international statistics, the country with the largest oil reserves is Venezuela, with 300 billion barrels worth.

      At their peak they produced over 3.5 million barrels of the stuff per day. However, due to lack of investment, sanctions and mismanagement that peak is long gone.

      Following their military intervention, the US administration claims they can get Venezuela’s oil production up and running at full capacity within 18 months.

      But can they, and why is it that estimates for other countries oil reserves have fluctuated but Venezuela’s has stayed at 300 billion barrels for over two decades?

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    Why would they? It’s a win-win. They either get significant tax payer money invested on their behalf, or the oil stays off market keeping their prices high.

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      Prices aren’t even that high, crude oil’s price has been on a steady downward March since the high in 2022

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      This is exactly it, it’s a shakedown and Trump and the party of fiscal responsibility will see to it that yet more corporations get hundreds of billions in government largess. But boy, they sure extracted that 1 bil from PBS, so I guess they’re on point.

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    That just about sums up this administration, doesn’t it?

    Pedopresident needs a diversion, invades a country and murders some civilians, then needs to beg oil execs who never asked nor wanted any of this and now have to deal with his shit

    You’d almost start feeling bad for the oil execs. Almost, but not.

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    Companies have usually avoided morally dubious actions in worlds spotlight, because it deters investors.

    Not sure if anyone wants to touch Trumps fresh smelly turd… at least directly and visibly.

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    I really think this all comes down to a belief that Trump and many Americans hold, that oil is irreplaceable. They have convinced themselves, or have been convinced by others, that civilizations can’t exist without oil, and fossil fuels more broadly. Because of this belief, they’re betting hard on oil and gas. They want to take control of as much of the world’s remaining oil reserves as possible, both to secure oil for ourselves but also to restrict access to adversaries, like China.

    But this belief is wrong. Civilizations can exist without fossil fuels, or at least with very minimal fossil fuel use, especially for energy. Fossil fuels are very inefficient and nonrenewable, in addition to being highly polluting. Renewables, like solar and wind, are much more efficient, especially for electricity generation. To generate electricity with fossil fuels, you have to extract the material from the ground, refine it, transport it, then burn it to boil water to generate steam to turn a turbine to generate the electricity. There are a lot of steps there, and a lot of the energy is lost in the process. With solar and wind, electricity is generated at the source. It’s true that solar panels and wind turbines are not very efficient at turning the wind and sunlight into electricity, but once the electricity is generated, all you have to do is transmit it to where it is either stored or used. Some energy is lost in transmission, but that’s true of electricity generated from fossil fuels, too. Renewables are simply more efficient. And, as the name implies, they are renewable. The sun will continue to shine and the wind will continue to blow for a very long time.

    So as the world wakes up this realization, the world will continue to transition away from fossil fuels and toward renewables. That will reduce the demand for fossil fuels. The oil companies know this, that’s why they’re not in any great hurry to go and spend billions of dollars to significantly increase oil production. If they dramatically increase oil production, but the overall demand for oil doesn’t also increase significantly, the price for their product will fall. They don’t want to sell their product for less money, because that will reduce their profits. Lowering the price of oil sounds great to consumers of the product, who want lower gas and diesel prices, but the companies selling it don’t want that. Companies want to sell their product for the highest price possible, so they can maximize their profit.

    The US is betting on a fossil fuel future, but we’re going to lose that bet. We’ve convinced ourselves, or have been convinced, that oil especially is irreplaceable and that renewables/electrification are a scam. We’re wrong. An electrified world powered primarily by renewables is the future. The longer we continue down this misguided path, the further behind the rest of the world we will fall.

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    Yep the oil in Venezuela is not high grade so it’s not profitable in the short term even if long term control is important for oil based business.

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      How is Dorito Benito going to stop the Venezuelans from taking every thing back the minute it’s convenient. He would have to put boots on the ground.