• DagwoodIII@piefed.social
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    22 days ago

    So, one party is actually killing people in the streets but ‘both sides are the same?’

    If I were the GOP that’s exactly the message I’d be pushing.

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      These people would “Bothsides” WW2. They’re not much more than useful idiots for Nazis.

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      Well, y’see, the other side historically has voted to increase/maintain this organization that’s terrorizing our country so…

      Yes, they are both at fault. 🤷🏽‍♂️ I’m sorry that doesn’t align with your immediate reaction, but it doesn’t change their compliance with building this atrocity.

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        22 days ago

        Trump is already talking about canceling the next election, and you want Progressives to stay home.

        Sounds like you’re doing Trump’s job for him.

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          22 days ago

          This isn’t team sports, bud, this is rich fucks versus normal people.

          You want to stand on business about real change, you have to be ready and willing to hold the government accountable no matter the banner they fly under. I wanted Zohran and AOC to be better, but they’re not. They’re supporting cruelty and death across the globe. 🤷🏽‍♂️

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            22 days ago

            You didn’t actually respond to the point, that you’re doing Trump’s job for him.

            A lot of people didn’t vote last time because of the genocide in Gaza. Now we have a genocide in Gaza, an ongoing genocide in Ukraine, and new one in Venezuela, plus ICE killing folks here in the USA.

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              22 days ago

              And the DNC has learned nothing.

              Schumer and Jefferies can’t even muster the bare minimum of saying that ICE needs to be removed from our streets.

              Sanders is playing both sides of Venezuela AND Israel.

              Pelosi has more insider trading crimes under her belt than I have ass hair.

              Stop blaming your neighbors and point that indignant rage at the people playing you like a fool. Demand better than shiny turds.

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                22 days ago

                Mamdani and AOC did it, in the strongest Democrat strong hold in the nation.

                Who are you pushing in the primaries? How much have you sent to ActBlue?

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                  22 days ago

                  Mamdani and AOC are actively condemning pro Palestine protestors in NYC.

                  Not condemning the Zionists using synagogues in NYC to host real estate sales of West Bank properties.

                  Not condemning the pro Zionist counter protesters flying hate flags and spewing bile.

                  Immediately attacking the left.

                  They lied to get the votes and are knee capping momentum on the people’s movements to protect genocidal warmongers.

                  I am deeply sorry, and I understand it’s a pain in the ass to keep being disappointed in these politicians- But I’m not the villain for expecting the DNC to do better. 🤷🏽‍♂️

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        The first pass the post mathematically produces a two party system (not voting won’t change it, support ranked choice voting).

        Republican party was essentially taken over by MAGA.

        Democrats are basically everyone else. They have different views and that’s why they are not as effective.

        Among Democrats there are so-called corporate democrats which normally would be Republicans, some of them might even be fine with trump.

        The solution here isn’t being apathetic and so voting because “both parties are the same”.

        The solution here is the opposite and being involved much more. Replacing those corporate Democrats with progressives in primaries and during general election voting for Democrats as every Republican that wins seat will be much worse than even those corporate democrats.

        We got here because public apathy, and taking democracy for granted. People still don’t understand how fragile democracy is and how easy it is to lose it despite trump and Republicans being in the middle of destroying it.

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      True. But it’s also true that most democrats aren’t much better than the current US admin. I can understand OP’s frustration when they vote to keep on funding ICE etc.

      And it’s true that they rely almost just as much on corporate donors as the other side, and because of that most have given up on pushing for any kind of social policy.

      I just wonder if those donors really are the same people on both sides, or if Dems have different corporate donors. I can imagine someone like Peter Thiel donating to both parties simultaneously, thinking he’s playing 5D chess, but nobody else.

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        Don’t hold me at gunpoint about the exact numbers but like 5 mega corporations own everything in the US, so when you get down to brass tacks about corporate donors? 🫠

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      Now that is a very crucial difference, yes. But that doesn’t mean they’re immune to criticism when they go from “I’ll arrest Netanyahu” to “Wait noooo don’t say mean words” 🤷🏽‍♂️🤘🏽

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    Been playing good cop bad cop (without any change in geopolitical strategy) for idk how long and Americans still don’t get it. I have very little hope for them ever turning their genocidal post-colonial abortion of a nation into a normal society.

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    22 days ago

    Don’t let perfect become the enemy of the good. Everything in life happens on steps. It’s important to tackle the problems we are facing now rather than throw in the towel as this meme suggests.

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      I’m not telling anyone to throw in the towel, just expecting people to hold those they support accountable for being shitheads. 🤷🏽‍♂️ Criticism of the US duopoly isn’t intended as nihilism, and it sucks that people are translating it that way.

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      This right here is some bottom-barrel reactionary thinking with a dusting of false dichotomy.

      1. The problem here is your definition of “good”. We don’t want “perfect”. We just don’t agree that Democrats are good. Democrats might be relatively better than Republicans but to a leftist, they are still far from being considered “good”. From a leftist perspective, enabling neoliberalist politics is in no way solving what we have now, only further enabling them to consolidate power over us until the fascist right can eventually take control and use the systems they BOTH have built to further oppress the people.

      2. there are more options than “support the Democrats or throw in the towel”.

      Yes, everything in life does happen in steps. The problem is thinking that the steps you are taking are leading you to the indented goal. If you only ever use reactionary thinking to justify your steps, you will be led astray by those in power who know how to manipulate your shortsighted logic.