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I don’t even know what else to add to this headline. This is so fucked up and tragic scary and infuriating and it will in no way slow the resistance.
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It was a straight up murder by a trigger happy cop who was told they are immune to any prosecution by the president of the united states.
ICE is going to start murdering thousands of us and none of them will be held accountable. It’s terrifying that ICE is a bunch of proud boys and fascists with a thirst for blood. We are all in trouble and all of us risk dying just going out to the store if you are in the wrong place at the wrong time.
If you want them held accountable then it’s time to take matters into our own hands. It really is time for us to start shooting ICE on sight if we want to keep our communities safe. What other choice have they left us?
i’ve been commenting this all over tiktok and any chance i get. i genuinely want to understand why its not already happening. the USA’s whole deal with the right to bear arms is seeming more like an excuse to shoot kids in schools than actually protect yourselves.
is there an actual answer?
Heller said she heard ICE agents telling the driver, a woman, to “get out of here.”“She was trying to turn around, and the ICE agent was in front of her car, and he pulled out a gun and put it right in — like, his midriff was on her bumper — and he reached across the hood of the car and shot her in the face like three, four times,” Heller said.
Heller said it appeared the woman accelerated, and traveled about 100 feet before striking a utility pole and some other vehicles, and could be seen slumped over inside her car.
Horrifying
ICE is almost forcing citizens to carry guns wherever they go. Civil war could be back in play.
It’s almost like the president is a Russian asset installed to split the country
Psh if you believe that just because they wrote it in a book and have been caught doing it multiple times then you’re just an unfortunate victim of western propaganda.
/s if that wasn’t obvious
/s if that wasn’t obvious
On Lemmy, yes. On Facebook, not so much.
Idk I have accidentally stumbled into the wrong side of Lemmy where I was accused of being a liberal and banned for sharing Foundations of Geopolitics.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯Show of hands if you’ve ever been baselessly accused on Lemmy of being a liberal as if they go around beating up puppies.
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Which book?
I assume this one.
That’s the one!
One of the Michael Wolf ones maybe?
“Every bad thing that ever happens in my utopian slave state is because of Russia. There is no way, that an american will ever do something against our most beautiful country without being a foreign asset.”
Moscow Mitch McConnell… tulsi gabbard repeated Russian propaganda so much she got out in charge of handling it.
Yea it’s not well documented and incredibly obvious at this point, going back 15+ years. There’s no paper trails to follow or video evidence or military analysis on the topic at all. Totally made up. Comrade
While I do agree that the US did this to themselves, it is still obvious that Russia fully supports useful idiots in every country around the globe, to split and weaken the countries. In the US, it was Trump, in Germany it’s the AfD. It is interesting to me that it’s almost exclusively Nazis that betray their own contries because they love their ssugar daddy Putin so much.
I don’t think I can blame Russia. It feels so American made. It feels like American culture. American culture was fucked before trump. It seems more like america fed running a coup to help put modern surveillance in place.
…and the surveillance is basically already their but tasked by 3rd parties… And the government wants to officially put it in place… But the people wouldn’t allow it… So they resort to this.
Yeah, it’s almost like that…
Guns only work if you use them
To date, Americans still seem unwilling to fight back in a militant sense
I mean…yeah. Regular people will do whatever they can to put off or avoid having to become murderers, regardless of where they live. Even if the murder would be justified; regular, normal people just don’t want to become killers.
Obviously something needs to be done (or, more accurately, many things should have been done decades ago to prevent all of this cruel nonsense, but alas). Asking and expecting average people to kill just because it is the easiest way to envision out of this…that’s just not reasonable. Besides the social and emotional ask of it being monumental on its own, it would also be met with the greatest military force in world history, anyway.
Many US citizens refuse to respond with militant might for the same reasons other world powers are refusing to intervene with the same: the violence it will spark will kill way, way more innocent souls than what is currently happening. Many of which will die horrific, torturous deaths en masse. Entire cities left as smoking husks. Families erased from the gene pool. Terrors and horrors unimaginable would become the norm, as is always the case with war.
I can very much understand the frustration that stirs this line of thought, just as well as I can empathize with those being asked to pursue it. We all want this to be done with and we all want a simple, direct solution. There are very good and rational reasons to not provoke the US military, however. For foreign and domestic parties, alike.
Tbc, I dont know the most appropriate solution either, but asking regular people to become murderers because it seems easy/possible from the outside…that’s just not a realistic ask for many of the same reasons that no world military is going to invade the US mainland anytime soon. Not without a whole lot of pain and suffering first befalling those average folks, at least. Enough people here have to agree that there is nowhere left to run before the regular joe can be overcome by the killer within, and that is a reasonable and usual response to these sorts of things, all over the world.
And sorry for ranting on it. I am a pacifist, so the regularity and casualness of people telling me I should nut up and kill a politician is very disturbing to me on many levels. Again, I can understand the sentiment. I just can not sit with it morally, philosophically, or even on the terms of basic reasoning. The response would be overwhelming and truly devastating. I dont think further violence has ever really fixed this problem and I dont believe that’s going to magically change now.
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am a passificst, so the regularity and casualness of people telling me I should nut up and kill a politician is very disturbing to me on many levels.
I don’t think pacifists should be arming up and shooting anyone. I think people who cling to their guns and talk about fighting for freedom need to nut up or shut up (and I’m fine with the latter, just shut up already).
I dont think further violence has ever really fixed this problem and I dont believe that’s going to magically change now.
I think this is naive. Violence is an incredibly effective tool at degrading organizational capacity, destroying institutional memory, and quelling public opposition.
When you’re dealing with ICE agents who can cavalierly execute civilians in public, I would love all three of those things to befall them, because I don’t want an organization with the capacity, the knowledge, and the public platform to execute my neighbors.
But insurgent violence comes with enormous personal risks, it requires professional training, and it rarely produces tangible results in a single lifetime (especially the lifetime of a militant insurgent). So I’m certainly not going to ask people to stick their necks out.
I just get tired of people posting TikToks in Camo Cosplay, pretending they’re part of some Last Line of Defense Against Tyranny. You’re bad liars. No serious person takes the 2nd amendment seriously as a political deterrent.
Violence is, absolutely, necessary at times. I dont disagree with that.
What I meant by that was that every time this sort of threat has been resolved by violence, it only sets the stage for future violence, because the true problem lies in the systems we use this violence to uphold. Those systems need addressing and reconfiguring if we ever want to see things like this become cultural relics. My phrasing could have admittedly been better, but I do not think it is naive to see the problem behind the problem.
The gun nuts do need to stfu about their hollow ideals though. I’d say we are in complete agreement on that note. If they were to actually ‘walk the walk’ however…I dread what that may usher in tbqh.
What I meant by that was that every time this sort of threat has been resolved by violence, it only sets the stage for future violence, because the true problem lies in the systems we use this violence to uphold.
The systems are the people. And when you kick out a lynchpin - be it MLK or Charlie Kirk - that system can fail.
The gun nuts do need to stfu about their hollow ideals though. I’d say we are in complete agreement on that note. If they were to actually ‘walk the walk’ however…I dread what that may usher in tbqh.
We’ve got people being rammed in their cars and shot gangland style through the windows.
Delta Force is snatching foreign presidents while the sitting president dismisses the need for next year’s local elections.
You can only waggle your finger saying “It could get even worse” so many times.
You are not wrong. Violence will again become a necessity, as has always been true thus far. Still tho, as bad as things are, a mishandling of the situation could very easily make things exponentially and explosively worse.
Again, I dont know what the proper fix is. But I do know that violence begets itself and as long as we remain in this cycle, it will only be a matter of time before our ways out of that abusive loop are razed entirely. That final revolution (“revolution” in the sense of this cycle of violence tbc) will most likely be coming someday and, with the US military being what it is and with who is currently leading it, that day’s coming could be very near. People are scared to act because all actions are met with reactions. Whether or not it is what you want to be true or to hear, it still could get a lot worse than it currently is, and throwing oil on fire is a great way to hasten that potential future.
Something needs to be done. I agree with that with every fiber of my being. I just dont see violence sparking further violence as the fix many of us hope it could be. Knowing what devastation the US military will check it with is not a hypothetical, a suggestion, or parody. It is a dire reality that ill-advised/ill-placed violence can and will usher in if allowed.
It’s a common saying in gun culture that the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. How do you stop a bad guy with more guns, missiles, and nukes than nearly all of the rest of the world combined? Good guys with guns can stand against that, but not for long and not in the “we are going to win this fight” sort of way either. They will be mowed down and turned to mush before they can even draw, if that is what the US military wants to happen.
I agree with your overall sentiment. I just cant find any reason to believe that what youre proposing will lead in the direction you are hoping it will, unless your hope is true and utter devastation.
Tbc, I dont know the most appropriate solution either
I general strike would be a good first step. It would be very painful and risky given how many folks live paycheck to paycheck and how we have almost no social safety net, but it’s safer and more realistic than everyone trying to go full Rambo or Red Dawn.
Remember at the start of COVID when we didn’t know how it spread and people were disinfecting their groceries and the feds and the bosses wanted everyone to keep working? It was only when the flight attendants threatened to strike and shut down air travel that they finally relented.
I have had an exhausting day and cant seem to conjure an appropriate response to this atm, but you have mustered some measure of glimmering hope within me. Or perhaps reminded me of somewhere I can look when I need it? Whatever lol
I wanted to offer my appreciation for that, so my honest thanks I offer to you. Thanks, internet person :)
Thank you for the kind thoughts. It’s been pretty rough lately. Try to keep your head up :)
Further proof the second amendment is not actually useful for preventing an oppressive government.
Just absurd to call it a “right” when nobody seriously believes the police will honor it. Less a civil liberty and more an excuse to ventilate your skull in a frenzied panic of gunfire.
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The civil war already started. We are currently losing badly.
One side is trying to convince themselves that we’re not in a civil war and just an election away from getting everything back to normal. We’ve been in a cold civil war for at least a decade and it’s getting hot.
Cars are weapons. And you get a slap on the wrist instead of years in jail.
If you kill a cyclist or minority pedestrian that is
While I agree, I don’t see how she would have been better off if carrying. In the end, if we all have guns, more of us are going to die than them. That said… I am thinking that getting a weapon if you can afford it, and afford to store it securely is a good idea.
They didn’t say “get out of here” they said “get out of the car. Get out of the fucking car”
Either way, they murdered her and will get away with it.
If the bystander misheard it, it’s possible the driver did as well
I’m certain the driver was panicking and unable to process clearly. The DRIVER is not supposed to be the trained professional in this situation.
I just like to ensure accuracy because the people who agree with the police will seize any error to show why we’re wrong and the media is biased and blah blah blah.
It’s also possible that they said “get out of here” just before the video started and then subsequently yelled “get out of the car”. I never heard anything but get out of the car in the video that’s making the rounds, but it’s definitely possible the witness heard it before the video starts. And if that’s the case, then they would’ve been giving conflicting orders, which I’ve seen happen in numerous encounters with police before.
Who murdered her? Some unnamed masked man?
Yeah, this is so fucked up.
can anyone explain to me seriously, why aren’t the citizens SHOOTING THEM WITH THEIR GUNS!?
for reals, what the fuck, the USA’s whole deal with the guns is to stop situations like this happening yet no one is doing anythiing to stop these terrorists
The media is painting her as a criminal.
This is the beginning. Mass shooting of protesters will be next.
Post-mortem determination of guilt.
You were shot therefore you must have been a bad person deserving of being shot.
This is toxic thinking at it’s finest.
This is fascism.
People are dying. People will continue to die. I’m saddened and scared by what is happening
Unfortunately, even if we make it through this, a lot of people are going to die. Hell, a lot died already thanks to orange shit mussolini downplaying covid.
Idk what’s scarier, masked federal agents executing Americans on the streets or Americans continuing to do nothing about it. They, as a people and a society, are okay enough with this to not go out of their way to stop it.
Americans doing nothing about it is far scarier. We all knew the first thing has been coming for decades.
A nation of savages that cant risk their own creature comforts to stop pedophiles and murderers. Remember that any one of them could be a mass shooter, they should be banned from entering other countries for nation security.
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While speaking at an unrelated press conference in Brownsville, Texas, Kristi Noem said today’s shooting in Minneapolis was provoked by an “act of domestic terrorism”.
The homeland security went on to say that the immigration agents on the scene were “attempting to push out their vehicle” due to the snow in the city. “The woman attacked them and those surrounding them and attempted to run them over and ram them with her vehicle. An officer of ours acted quickly and defensively shot to protect himself and the people around him,” Noem said.
This dumb bitch seems to think outright lying - when video shows a completely different story - is the way to go.
Using 1940s propaganda tactics when the internet exists
It’s working. Republicans/MAGA are totally okay with anyone that doesn’t like them being murdered. They’re all enemies and should be approached as though they’re dangerous.
MAGAts are a group of people you can fool all the time. Anyone else that isn’t getting a boner for murder is likely to be appalled.
and 2020s internet is a shocking direct parallel to the nazi mass media mechanism in the 1930s and 1940s.
Russia’s authoritarian playbook (which the current GOP administration is using) isn’t about lying in an articulate way. It’s about flooding the zone with excuses and lies such that the average person will choose to tune it out rather than to engage.
I’m sure that pointing out the narrative’s glaringly obvious inconsistencies is going to land Russia in very hot water over the shoot down of that civilian airliner over Ukraine in 2014. Any day now. Any day now… Just one more “le epic debunk”…
I do think you’re absolutely right. I know people doing exactly that — checking out — and it does seem like a common response. It is understandable, a lot of people just can’t deal with all that garbage being firehosed into their faces, and the level of crazy ratcheting up through the ceiling. And that reaction of checking out is one of the intended effects of the strategy of “flooding the zone”. Glad you pointed that out.
This is Trump’s response 🤮
I mean, everything Some Fucking Idiot says is a lie, pretty much. But we absolutely know this one is a lie because there is no way he watched a video longer than five seconds that didn’t include people shouting his praises.
He wasn’t even touched by the car…
“Recovering in the hospital”. What a fucking joke. Straight up 1984 telling you not to believe your lying eyes.
Disgusting… How deep America has sank…
Lol way too coherent to be Trump. Which sycophantic traitor wrote (or pasted from an LLM) this bullshit I wonder
That evil hag.
Look at those Twitter comments watching a video of the guy literally throwing himself in front of a moving vehicle, and agreeing she tried to run him over. Nevermind that we have idea why they were even demanding it in the first place.
This dumb bitch seems to think outright lying - when video shows a completely different story - is the way to go.
All available evidence suggests she’s correct (about lying, that is … it’s never stopped any of her MAGA superiors).
So far she, and her orange boss, have been correct about that
I’m glad I’m not American. The US is a failed country right now. Zero respect for human life. I never intended to visit it as a tourist, and now I know I won’t.
As someone who lives in Canada, same here. I’ve been in the past (IE. Pre-Trump) and it was lovely but I probably won’t go again. In our household we don’t even buy American products or shop in American stores anymore if we can possibly help it.
I know a lot of people who do the same too. I don’t think the US has quite grasped yet how much it has pissed Canada off, and how long the road is going to be to start fixing that up, if they even want to try. Certainly at the moment they seem to be set on making it worse and worse each day.
Time to turn our attention from not engaging with anything American to actively preparing to fight and disrupt America. Wherever you are.
Do not buy American products. Do not buy domestically produced products where an American company gets money (Coca Cola for example). If you can’t afford alternatives, do without.
Learn civil defense skills.
Meanwhile trump posted this, disgusting. How deep the USA has sank, my god
That mother fucker WALKED over to the victims car, while putting his gun away! “Scared for his life”? “In the hospital recovering”?
This stupid fucking “president” of ours has lost his fucking mind if he believes the shit coming from his mouth!
He fucking knows that the stupid fuckers that follow him will eat this shit up and believe anything he says.
GET THIS FUCKER OUT OF OFFICE!
FUCK trump! FUCK ice! FUCK nazis!
fuck…
Edit: Bot?! Look at my profile, dickhead!
Make fun of how I talk all you want. It was still murder.
A lot of people still think the mcdonalds hot covfefe lawsuit was bullshit. The first to speak wins, even if it’s a lie disproven later.
He doesn’t believe any of this shit, but he thinks his base is dumb enough to believe him; and he’s right about that.
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You’re lucky you’re on the internet or you’d figure out real fast how many real humans are in a rage about this. And you’re maga so you know nothing about normal people.
Hey I’m not a bot. Murder is wrong and you’re a scumbag if you think otherwise.
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Lemmy is chock full of bots, but it’s also full of people who are democrats, liberals and leftists that will stop at nothing to harass people who share conservative ideas.
Edit: The responses and DM’s after i made this comment prove my point.
By “harass” you mean “respond to” after you voluntarily make a post in a public forum?
I didn’t realize child rape and shooting innocent people the face were “conservative ideas”.
Your “point” is that people are allowed to disagree with you.
Poor oppressed conservatives
Because conservatism means low iq
Can you fuck off back to X then?
Like you’ve ever had an idea 😂
Welp, if my ideas aren’t worth much than I suggest to everyone here to avoid major bridges in the Washington, Oregon, Vancouver/B.C, Alberta and Saskatchewan regions.
Because let me assure you, I certainly had a hand in a lot of them.
Rote application of the principles of engineering hardly constitutes ideation or philosophical engagement with the world. There is no critical thought involved, it is the work of an automaton.
Yeah, engineering and political views are exactly the same thing.
A bot would accuse someone of being bot.
“The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
Get them the fuck out of my city. I’m so fucking sick of them coming here and trying to target minorities. We have immigrant populations. So what, it’s one of our strengths.
Fuck ICE.
They are just trying to make America safe by making it as dangerous as possible for absolutely no fucking reason. Got it. Thank you for your services. I hope we can make Trump and his secret police as safe as they’ve made us.
Those around him have to be showing him AI videos, every reaction of his to clips of something happening are so detached of what’s going on. This isn’t new but becoming more and more blatant by the day
The new right wing excuse for everything they can’t explain or dismiss.
? I’m not right wing nor close to it. I’m just responding to the post of the truth social screenshot, from what I’ve seen he’s shared over a dozen different AI videos on that same platform that were fake realities. Stephen Miller to me is the equivalent of Heinrich Himmler, who was the brain of the Nazi Regime in its worst while being the right hand man of Hitler. Im sure it’s easy to make trump belive any video was a nearly 80 tear old man liek all the other seniors that fall for AI on the daily, we have no clue the Intel they fees him that makes him more evil by the day
New?
So US citizens glad to continue working and be productive for this 'leader"? Letting someone who lies like we breath be the mouthpiece (well anus for the amount of shit it spews) of your country.
I hope for the best of most US citizens but I do hope they take some determination for their country.
You weren’t always the best but you were better than what you’ve all let your country become. No one is ever best in all ways, but this is the same as Russia, Nazi Germany etc.
It is the country of US citizens afterall, without action it’s only to be believed that the populace accept it.
You make a good point. I had a talk with my boss on Monday and told him about how my mental health is pretty low right now because of politics. I’m building a foundation for a general strike, so when it happens maybe I won’t lose my job or become homeless. Maybe I will anyway, no idea.
More people need to do this.
General strike NOW
I’m going to take a yearly vacation to piss on whatever grave takes shit 6 feet deep.
Abolishing ICE is the moderate position. Anyone who doesn’t think that organization needs to be completely dismantled at minimum either needs to wake the fuck up or is a fascist.
after seeing this video, I am now of the position that every ICE agent should be attacked on sight
this is indefensible
A dozen armed individuals on ICE Watch in every neighborhood.
Every member needs to be publicly hanged at minimum. There are zero individuals in the organization worth keeping in society.
Police surround your car and they are trying to get in and you want to leave?
American police are allowed to kill you.
You surround a police car and you make them feel unsafe and they want to leave?
American police are allowed to kill you.
If each and every police department was replaced with an occupational paramilitary junta… Would anybody notice?
Edit: my b, this was done by ICE. They’re basically the same thing but at a federal scale.
ICE is a terrorist organization ran by Nazis
ICE are our Gestapo.
more like our SS to NSA’s gestapo. though neither ane 1:1 comparisons to either. the real point our current point in the timeline is Dachau is already set up and popplated. like… we’re at around 1938 or something
Ice shot citizen for exercising constitutionally protected right
ICE’s only purpose is violating constitutionally protected rights.
Yes but I thought mine was a better headline
Agreed.
Some are saying the boot will be on the other foot one day.
She was given conflicting commands, one to move the car and one to get out of the car. She was literally complying with their commands.
This is one of the tactics the pigs have used for a long time. Give conflicting orders so no matter what they can use violence.
There is a video of the murder of Daniel Shaver that shows this clearly. I really don’t recommend watching it.
Not that it matters but she seems so nice :(
