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I don’t even know what else to add to this headline. This is so fucked up and tragic scary and infuriating and it will in no way slow the resistance.
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Heller said she heard ICE agents telling the driver, a woman, to “get out of here.”“She was trying to turn around, and the ICE agent was in front of her car, and he pulled out a gun and put it right in — like, his midriff was on her bumper — and he reached across the hood of the car and shot her in the face like three, four times,” Heller said.
Heller said it appeared the woman accelerated, and traveled about 100 feet before striking a utility pole and some other vehicles, and could be seen slumped over inside her car.
Horrifying
ICE is almost forcing citizens to carry guns wherever they go. Civil war could be back in play.
It’s almost like the president is a Russian asset installed to split the country
Psh if you believe that just because they wrote it in a book and have been caught doing it multiple times then you’re just an unfortunate victim of western propaganda.
/s if that wasn’t obvious
/s if that wasn’t obvious
On Lemmy, yes. On Facebook, not so much.
Idk I have accidentally stumbled into the wrong side of Lemmy where I was accused of being a liberal and banned for sharing Foundations of Geopolitics.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯Show of hands if you’ve ever been baselessly accused on Lemmy of being a liberal as if they go around beating up puppies.
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Which book?
I assume this one.
That’s the one!
One of the Michael Wolf ones maybe?
I don’t think I can blame Russia. It feels so American made. It feels like American culture. American culture was fucked before trump. It seems more like america fed running a coup to help put modern surveillance in place.
…and the surveillance is basically already their but tasked by 3rd parties… And the government wants to officially put it in place… But the people wouldn’t allow it… So they resort to this.
Yeah, it’s almost like that…
“Every bad thing that ever happens in my utopian slave state is because of Russia. There is no way, that an american will ever do something against our most beautiful country without being a foreign asset.”
While I do agree that the US did this to themselves, it is still obvious that Russia fully supports useful idiots in every country around the globe, to split and weaken the countries. In the US, it was Trump, in Germany it’s the AfD. It is interesting to me that it’s almost exclusively Nazis that betray their own contries because they love their ssugar daddy Putin so much.
Yea it’s not well documented and incredibly obvious at this point, going back 15+ years. There’s no paper trails to follow or video evidence or military analysis on the topic at all. Totally made up. Comrade
Moscow Mitch McConnell… tulsi gabbard repeated Russian propaganda so much she got out in charge of handling it.
Guns only work if you use them
To date, Americans still seem unwilling to fight back in a militant sense
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am a passificst, so the regularity and casualness of people telling me I should nut up and kill a politician is very disturbing to me on many levels.
I don’t think pacifists should be arming up and shooting anyone. I think people who cling to their guns and talk about fighting for freedom need to nut up or shut up (and I’m fine with the latter, just shut up already).
I dont think further violence has ever really fixed this problem and I dont believe that’s going to magically change now.
I think this is naive. Violence is an incredibly effective tool at degrading organizational capacity, destroying institutional memory, and quelling public opposition.
When you’re dealing with ICE agents who can cavalierly execute civilians in public, I would love all three of those things to befall them, because I don’t want an organization with the capacity, the knowledge, and the public platform to execute my neighbors.
But insurgent violence comes with enormous personal risks, it requires professional training, and it rarely produces tangible results in a single lifetime (especially the lifetime of a militant insurgent). So I’m certainly not going to ask people to stick their necks out.
I just get tired of people posting TikToks in Camo Cosplay, pretending they’re part of some Last Line of Defense Against Tyranny. You’re bad liars. No serious person takes the 2nd amendment seriously as a political deterrent.
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What I meant by that was that every time this sort of threat has been resolved by violence, it only sets the stage for future violence, because the true problem lies in the systems we use this violence to uphold.
The systems are the people. And when you kick out a lynchpin - be it MLK or Charlie Kirk - that system can fail.
The gun nuts do need to stfu about their hollow ideals though. I’d say we are in complete agreement on that note. If they were to actually ‘walk the walk’ however…I dread what that may usher in tbqh.
We’ve got people being rammed in their cars and shot gangland style through the windows.
Delta Force is snatching foreign presidents while the sitting president dismisses the need for next year’s local elections.
You can only waggle your finger saying “It could get even worse” so many times.
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Tbc, I dont know the most appropriate solution either
I general strike would be a good first step. It would be very painful and risky given how many folks live paycheck to paycheck and how we have almost no social safety net, but it’s safer and more realistic than everyone trying to go full Rambo or Red Dawn.
Remember at the start of COVID when we didn’t know how it spread and people were disinfecting their groceries and the feds and the bosses wanted everyone to keep working? It was only when the flight attendants threatened to strike and shut down air travel that they finally relented.
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Thank you for the kind thoughts. It’s been pretty rough lately. Try to keep your head up :)
Further proof the second amendment is not actually useful for preventing an oppressive government.
Just absurd to call it a “right” when nobody seriously believes the police will honor it. Less a civil liberty and more an excuse to ventilate your skull in a frenzied panic of gunfire.
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The civil war already started. We are currently losing badly.
One side is trying to convince themselves that we’re not in a civil war and just an election away from getting everything back to normal. We’ve been in a cold civil war for at least a decade and it’s getting hot.
Cars are weapons. And you get a slap on the wrist instead of years in jail.
If you kill a cyclist or minority pedestrian that is
While I agree, I don’t see how she would have been better off if carrying. In the end, if we all have guns, more of us are going to die than them. That said… I am thinking that getting a weapon if you can afford it, and afford to store it securely is a good idea.
They didn’t say “get out of here” they said “get out of the car. Get out of the fucking car”
Either way, they murdered her and will get away with it.
If the bystander misheard it, it’s possible the driver did as well
I’m certain the driver was panicking and unable to process clearly. The DRIVER is not supposed to be the trained professional in this situation.
I just like to ensure accuracy because the people who agree with the police will seize any error to show why we’re wrong and the media is biased and blah blah blah.
It’s also possible that they said “get out of here” just before the video started and then subsequently yelled “get out of the car”. I never heard anything but get out of the car in the video that’s making the rounds, but it’s definitely possible the witness heard it before the video starts. And if that’s the case, then they would’ve been giving conflicting orders, which I’ve seen happen in numerous encounters with police before.
Who murdered her? Some unnamed masked man?
Yeah, this is so fucked up.
This is fascism.
People are dying. People will continue to die. I’m saddened and scared by what is happening
Unfortunately, even if we make it through this, a lot of people are going to die. Hell, a lot died already thanks to orange shit mussolini downplaying covid.
Idk what’s scarier, masked federal agents executing Americans on the streets or Americans continuing to do nothing about it. They, as a people and a society, are okay enough with this to not go out of their way to stop it.
Americans doing nothing about it is far scarier. We all knew the first thing has been coming for decades.
A nation of savages that cant risk their own creature comforts to stop pedophiles and murderers. Remember that any one of them could be a mass shooter, they should be banned from entering other countries for nation security.
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Abolishing ICE is the moderate position. Anyone who doesn’t think that organization needs to be completely dismantled at minimum either needs to wake the fuck up or is a fascist.
after seeing this video, I am now of the position that every ICE agent should be attacked on sight
this is indefensible
A dozen armed individuals on ICE Watch in every neighborhood.
Every member needs to be publicly hanged at minimum. There are zero individuals in the organization worth keeping in society.
While speaking at an unrelated press conference in Brownsville, Texas, Kristi Noem said today’s shooting in Minneapolis was provoked by an “act of domestic terrorism”.
The homeland security went on to say that the immigration agents on the scene were “attempting to push out their vehicle” due to the snow in the city. “The woman attacked them and those surrounding them and attempted to run them over and ram them with her vehicle. An officer of ours acted quickly and defensively shot to protect himself and the people around him,” Noem said.
This dumb bitch seems to think outright lying - when video shows a completely different story - is the way to go.
Using 1940s propaganda tactics when the internet exists
It’s working. Republicans/MAGA are totally okay with anyone that doesn’t like them being murdered. They’re all enemies and should be approached as though they’re dangerous.
MAGAts are a group of people you can fool all the time. Anyone else that isn’t getting a boner for murder is likely to be appalled.
and 2020s internet is a shocking direct parallel to the nazi mass media mechanism in the 1930s and 1940s.
Russia’s authoritarian playbook (which the current GOP administration is using) isn’t about lying in an articulate way. It’s about flooding the zone with excuses and lies such that the average person will choose to tune it out rather than to engage.
I’m sure that pointing out the narrative’s glaringly obvious inconsistencies is going to land Russia in very hot water over the shoot down of that civilian airliner over Ukraine in 2014. Any day now. Any day now… Just one more “le epic debunk”…
I do think you’re absolutely right. I know people doing exactly that — checking out — and it does seem like a common response. It is understandable, a lot of people just can’t deal with all that garbage being firehosed into their faces, and the level of crazy ratcheting up through the ceiling. And that reaction of checking out is one of the intended effects of the strategy of “flooding the zone”. Glad you pointed that out.
This is Trump’s response 🤮
I mean, everything Some Fucking Idiot says is a lie, pretty much. But we absolutely know this one is a lie because there is no way he watched a video longer than five seconds that didn’t include people shouting his praises.
He wasn’t even touched by the car…
“Recovering in the hospital”. What a fucking joke. Straight up 1984 telling you not to believe your lying eyes.
Disgusting… How deep America has sank…
Lol way too coherent to be Trump. Which sycophantic traitor wrote (or pasted from an LLM) this bullshit I wonder
That evil hag.
Look at those Twitter comments watching a video of the guy literally throwing himself in front of a moving vehicle, and agreeing she tried to run him over. Nevermind that we have idea why they were even demanding it in the first place.
This dumb bitch seems to think outright lying - when video shows a completely different story - is the way to go.
All available evidence suggests she’s correct (about lying, that is … it’s never stopped any of her MAGA superiors).
So far she, and her orange boss, have been correct about that
ICE is a terrorist organization ran by Nazis
ICE are our Gestapo.
more like our SS to NSA’s gestapo. though neither ane 1:1 comparisons to either. the real point our current point in the timeline is Dachau is already set up and popplated. like… we’re at around 1938 or something
I’m literally shaking right now. This is my state. The video is horrible.
God the fucking comments on that video saying she was trying to run him over and “she wasn’t obeying an LEO”.
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You can see the shooters feet not in front of the vehicle between the legs of the guy grabbing the door as she starts to turn. He was not about to be run over.
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The shooter had his gun drawn approaching the front of the car to be able to shoot her that fast. No one else had their gun out. Why? That fuckhead is trigger happy and ready to kill.
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How do we know she wasn’t trying to get out of the way and we can’t hear if she was saying anything like “let me move first”.
Didn’t deserve to be shot in the face. She was unarmed. Also looks really fucking guilty when the shooter covers their face and flees the scene.
I wonder if they will be “unable to find him” because of the mask. If they can “Identify” Luigi by his eyebrows they should have no trouble prosecuting this human trash.
This is supposedly a face picture.
Edit: this second photo was apparently AI.
What happened to the “no fatties” rule the fascists are pushing?
The nazis and fascists don’t have a best to send.
I hope this scum rots in prison. Not holding my breath of course.
It’s not a matter of if they can prosecute it’s a matter of will. DHS is already claiming the victim was a domestic terrorist.
Every single person that supports the Trump regime after watching that video should be treated with the same contempt as Nazis.
This guy justifies the action to shoot on sight anyone armed while wearing mask.
I’d fear for my life and safety if I ever came across an ICE roadblock from now on. I’d feel unsafe stopping. Take that as you will.
What pissed me off, especially on places like Reddit, is the “no doxxing” rule. YOU CANT DOXX A PUBLIC SERVANT. Part of being a government worker is transparency and accountability. You can’t hide behind anonymity.
The concept of doxxing goes way back before people tied their real identity to their online one. “Doxxing” or “providing documents” is the act of tying someone’s real life identity to their anonymous one against their will. It is not identifying someone in public or using it to shield them from due criticism for their actions.
You can’t do that with people who are supposed to be unmasked in the first place, and are legally required to identify themselves as government agents as part of their job. It’s not “doxxing”, it’s basic fucking accountability and transparency.
When Luigi happened we knew everything about his life. This happens and we don’t know who this asshat is. It’s complete bullshit. Any outlet protecting this piece of shit when they would air the dirty laundry of me and you out for the whole world in a heartbeat needs to be blacklisted.
Edit: That fuckers name is Jonathan Ross. He murdered Renee Nicole Good. May he know no peace.
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He positioned himself so that the driver was made to look as if they were going to run him over. He could have easily stepped away and the gone after them later if they needed to stop them. This was so unnecessary.
My opinion is that he was trying to get to the driver’s side and she accelerated but did not see him. He had his gun out to threaten her and opened fire instead of getting out of the way because he’s just the type of thin skinned piece of shit ICE hires.
I would absolutely not in any way want to exit my car for an ICE officer, or stick around.
Yeah probably why she was trying to GTFO. If they snatched her she could end up in CECOT for all she knows.
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As a fellow MN resident, I’m right there with you. The trump gestapo needs to get the fuck out of our state!
You need to get them out of your state.
Yeah, notice how fast the shooter checked to make sure his mask was up and ran from the scene, didn’t go after the vehicle. He knew what he did and ran.
What’s that phrase “if you did nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide” (granted I hate that statement, just the irony of who did the shooting, who did the running, and who they likely support…)
Those comments 😬 Twitter is full of fucking fascists
Meanwhile trump posted this, disgusting. How deep the USA has sank, my god
That mother fucker WALKED over to the victims car, while putting his gun away! “Scared for his life”? “In the hospital recovering”?
This stupid fucking “president” of ours has lost his fucking mind if he believes the shit coming from his mouth!
He fucking knows that the stupid fuckers that follow him will eat this shit up and believe anything he says.
GET THIS FUCKER OUT OF OFFICE!
FUCK trump! FUCK ice! FUCK nazis!
fuck…
Edit: Bot?! Look at my profile, dickhead!
Make fun of how I talk all you want. It was still murder.
A lot of people still think the mcdonalds hot covfefe lawsuit was bullshit. The first to speak wins, even if it’s a lie disproven later.
He doesn’t believe any of this shit, but he thinks his base is dumb enough to believe him; and he’s right about that.
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You’re lucky you’re on the internet or you’d figure out real fast how many real humans are in a rage about this. And you’re maga so you know nothing about normal people.
Hey I’m not a bot. Murder is wrong and you’re a scumbag if you think otherwise.
Lemmy is chock full of bots, but it’s also full of people who are democrats, liberals and leftists that will stop at nothing to harass people who share conservative ideas.
Edit: The responses and DM’s after i made this comment prove my point.
By “harass” you mean “respond to” after you voluntarily make a post in a public forum?
I didn’t realize child rape and shooting innocent people the face were “conservative ideas”.
Your “point” is that people are allowed to disagree with you.
Can you fuck off back to X then?
Because conservatism means low iq
Poor oppressed conservatives
Like you’ve ever had an idea 😂
Welp, if my ideas aren’t worth much than I suggest to everyone here to avoid major bridges in the Washington, Oregon, Vancouver/B.C, Alberta and Saskatchewan regions.
Because let me assure you, I certainly had a hand in a lot of them.
Rote application of the principles of engineering hardly constitutes ideation or philosophical engagement with the world. There is no critical thought involved, it is the work of an automaton.
Yeah, engineering and political views are exactly the same thing.
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A bot would accuse someone of being bot.
“The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
Get them the fuck out of my city. I’m so fucking sick of them coming here and trying to target minorities. We have immigrant populations. So what, it’s one of our strengths.
Fuck ICE.
Those around him have to be showing him AI videos, every reaction of his to clips of something happening are so detached of what’s going on. This isn’t new but becoming more and more blatant by the day
The new right wing excuse for everything they can’t explain or dismiss.
? I’m not right wing nor close to it. I’m just responding to the post of the truth social screenshot, from what I’ve seen he’s shared over a dozen different AI videos on that same platform that were fake realities. Stephen Miller to me is the equivalent of Heinrich Himmler, who was the brain of the Nazi Regime in its worst while being the right hand man of Hitler. Im sure it’s easy to make trump belive any video was a nearly 80 tear old man liek all the other seniors that fall for AI on the daily, we have no clue the Intel they fees him that makes him more evil by the day
New?
They are just trying to make America safe by making it as dangerous as possible for absolutely no fucking reason. Got it. Thank you for your services. I hope we can make Trump and his secret police as safe as they’ve made us.
So US citizens glad to continue working and be productive for this 'leader"? Letting someone who lies like we breath be the mouthpiece (well anus for the amount of shit it spews) of your country.
I hope for the best of most US citizens but I do hope they take some determination for their country.
You weren’t always the best but you were better than what you’ve all let your country become. No one is ever best in all ways, but this is the same as Russia, Nazi Germany etc.
It is the country of US citizens afterall, without action it’s only to be believed that the populace accept it.
You make a good point. I had a talk with my boss on Monday and told him about how my mental health is pretty low right now because of politics. I’m building a foundation for a general strike, so when it happens maybe I won’t lose my job or become homeless. Maybe I will anyway, no idea.
More people need to do this.
General strike NOW
Bit late of a reply but you’ll probably lose any ideals your country stood for before you lose your job at that rate. At one point the US stood up to bullies now they let the most thin skinned douche make all the decisions. Congrats.
I’m going to take a yearly vacation to piss on whatever grave takes shit 6 feet deep.
Ice shot citizen for exercising constitutionally protected right
ICE’s only purpose is violating constitutionally protected rights.
Yes but I thought mine was a better headline
Agreed.
Some are saying the boot will be on the other foot one day.
Hunt him down and hang him In front of city hall. Any Nazis in blue try to stop you, add them to the gallows.
These animals need to be put down, immediately.
Agreed wholeheartedly. Burn him at the fucking stake in the middle of town square.
I’m sure there’s a mountain of evidence to the contrary, but I feel like torturing him while he sobs for his life before ending it would both be cathartic and a stern message to the rest of these vermin (I can call them vermin because I am describing the views they willingly ascribe to, I’m not basing it on their ethnicity).
I’d sure feel better.
That was straight up murder.
She was given conflicting commands, one to move the car and one to get out of the car. She was literally complying with their commands.
This is one of the tactics the pigs have used for a long time. Give conflicting orders so no matter what they can use violence.
There is a video of the murder of Daniel Shaver that shows this clearly. I really don’t recommend watching it.
Not that it matters but she seems so nice :(
Police surround your car and they are trying to get in and you want to leave?
American police are allowed to kill you.
You surround a police car and you make them feel unsafe and they want to leave?
American police are allowed to kill you.
If each and every police department was replaced with an occupational paramilitary junta… Would anybody notice?
Edit: my b, this was done by ICE. They’re basically the same thing but at a federal scale.
This is what we were afraid of. And it happened.
It happened in Minnesota of all places.
Vive la révoution
About a few blocks away from where George Floyd was murdered too.
I really wonder how our granddroids are going to feel reading about this period in history.
I really wonder how our granddroids are going to feel reading about this period in history.
“Why are there only two viable political parties? Dumbasses”
More like “Why didn’t people embrace being community organisms and take more action together to remove corrupt individuals? Why was everyone hiding inside and complaining on the internet but not going out with guns, bats and bricks? Dumbasses.”
I have been noticing the increased anger with people’s posts online, myself included. I just said yesterday that it feels like a tipping point and it’s not gonna take much to start the riots. This event feels like a heavy hand on the scale pushing everyone over the edge. I hope it’s not and we can continue the peaceful protests. But I don’t blame anyone for taking a stand.
But I don’t blame anyone for taking a stand.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.
If I’m the jury for someone accused of doing anything to an ICE agent, you will not be found guilty.
Okay now stop saying it so you can actually make it through jury selection.
Don’t forget to tell your fellow jurists about jury nullification, but definitely don’t say anything about it when they’re interviewing you for a juror position.
Anyone who agrees with this should not post that opinion online in a way that can be tied back to them. It can be used to remove you as a juror
I’ve come to the same realization, and I applaud you.
Protests can be peaceful and armed, FWIW. That’s what started the Black Panthers. People realized that unarmed peaceful protests got violently broken up… But heavily armed peaceful protests had cops politely watching from across the street.
Cops were more than happy to fire into crowds when everyone was unarmed. But the cost/benefit ratio suddenly changed when the entire crowd could return fire. A cop may be able to hit three or four protestors, and in an unarmed protest, the rest would quickly scatter and disperse. But when everyone was armed, the rest of the crowd could immediately return fire instead.
It’s also what started modern gun control laws. When lawmakers saw a bunch of heavily armed black people on their front porch, and saw cops unwilling to break it up, they got really fucking sweaty. So Ronald Reagan (yes, the same Reagan that conservatives put on a pedestal) and the NRA (yes, the same NRA that lobbies for looser gun control after school shootings) co-sponsored the Mullford Act, which was the most restrictive gun control bill the country had ever seen. It was literally the start of modern gun control laws.
This is what drove the Black Panthers underground, as the lawmakers and police worked to criminalize and track them, so they could kick down doors during dinner time, instead of busting up the peaceful protests directly. And we still see that tactic being used today, with police setting up cell phone trackers and facial recognition cameras at protests, and raiding suspected attendees’ homes days or weeks after the protest.
This wasn’t just the Panthers, there were plenty of armed volunteers during the Civil Rights movement. I highly recommend “This Nonviolent Stuff Will Get You Killed”.
Honestly I hope it is. We cannot continue wringing our hands while making snarky comments online.
