This could be huge for vehicle design as a whole.
I think it’s irresponsible of the Verge to tout an electric motorcycle’s range as “up to 600km”. It’s absolute fantasy.
I have an electric dirtbike and a gas bike. My gas bike has an 11.1 L tank and can go about 360km per tank.
The highest actual range I’ve seen on an electric motorcycle is about 100km of mixed use (highway and city).
Solid state batteries have the potential capability of having almost double the power density as lithium ion. So approx 200-300km (maybe).
Pretty solid but doubling THAT is just dishonest and in no way going to happen. You’re claiming to have more power density than internal combustion. That’s just straight up dishonest.
It’s not The Verge. It’s Verge Motorcycles. I know, it confused me too.
I think it’s irresponsible of the Verge to tout an electric motorcycle’s range as “up to 600km”. It’s absolute fantasy.
Reached 310.69km with 7% charge on the 20.2kWh battery remaining during a challenge in London.
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2025/april/verge-electric-bike-distance-record/
It took 16 hours though, so that works out to around 19km/h or 12mph. 🐌
Yes so even gaming this by driving very slowly, the range isn’t even close
that was an older model though.
It’s 600 km (in ideal conditions) <- this is the part they don’t say.
It doesn’t matter. It’s a lie. Ideal conditions and driving the bike at 19km/h achieves that. How many people are going to be driving a top speed of 19km/h on a bike? Their stats are physically impossible given the hardware they’re stating and are relying on people with little knowledge of real world range on electric motorcycles or charge density of solid state vs lion
Maybe you’re not dreaming big enough on what makes ideal conditions. The fraudulent Nikola company managed to film a semi “driving” a few km without a powertrain, by just letting it roll downhill. I bet there’s a place that has a high enough altitude and smooth enough roads for a long downhill descent where 600km on a 300km battery is possible.
Every manufacturer says your mileage may vary.
“up to” is dishonest to start. They claim on some of their models 600+ km range. It is city mileage though. Solid state batteries claim 400wh/kg, and may be replacing 180wh/kg batteries. That can mean more than 2.5x range city due to reduced weight. The highway mileage is much lower though.
It’s a 33 kwhr battery, cars with that amount of storage get 250km.
What is the point in a $37,000 bike with SS battery and 600km of range. ICE bikes get about 200km a tank. No one rides 600km a day on a naked sport bike. If the point of SS batteries is fast charging , then why carry around 33 KWhr of overpriced battery?
This is a bike designed by non motorcyclists and marketed on numbers. 1000nm instant torque? That’s unrideable. 3.5 sec 0-60 is not fast for a motorcycle, so their math doesn’t even make sense. It’s just a bunch of numbers. 200kw charging? Who cares, and good luck finding a charger that will do that.
Every premium price EV bike company has gone broke.
I think the bike exists to sell the battery. I’m getting a strong feeling there is no intention for the bike to be profitable, but rather as a proof that what they’re selling works by showcasing a real-world model that people can buy and drive.
With their plans to out-scale Tesla in battery manufacturing, it seems to me that they’re hoping to capture deals with EV manufacturers.
Your points are valid but those chargers are very common, probbaly the most common where I am. There are 400kw chargers cropping up too.
Also I would hope that the range is so high to allow for the inevitable failure to achieve the stated range.
But yeah everything else is laugh worthy
Turn something this into a moderately off road capable adventure bike and I’m sold. The BMW and KTM guys will absolutely pay $20,000 for it, albeit maybe not $37,000.
My KLR has about 200 miles of range per fill, if you’re even the slightest bit careful with it, which is necessary for excursions out into the bush where there are neither gas stations nor charging points.
Anyone have a non-video summary/article?
But do they make loud wroom wroom noises? If not half of motorcyclists will not be interested.
I’ll sell an add on speaker. Loud pipes save lives.
That would be nice. People could turn them off at 2AM when there’s no one else on the roads. But I’m sure they wouldn’t.
Or when they’re in low speed population dense areas where bicyclists are part of traffic.
But there is something in that to be fair, it is a lifestyle, culture and hobby. I thought the livewire looked cool but I would say its novelty, I wouod find it difficult to see them as equals.
I’ll belive it when a lab has verified the batteries are actually solid state. The CEO appears to be a grifter and they had no battery prototypes on hand at CES? Smells awfully like a scam.
Doesn’t need both fast charging and huge range. Knock $10k off the price for half the range is a much more appealing product. Battery tech in a much lighter sub 2000w ebike/powerstation is a much bigger win, as this is still 600lbs afaiu.
Sick
Sounds good. Does it actually work in real world? Why can’t they make wheels the same?
Bikes are not a good investment in western countries with long winter seasons, it’s dangerous and uncomfortable to ride in cold conditions, so stuff like this is purely for rich people to use as recreational toys in the summer
TIL I’m rich because I own a $2000 motorcycle, and that it’s only a toy for use in the summer. I can’t believe that someone just mansplained riding motorcycles in poor weather. Rain gear and insulated clothing has existed for a long time.
Plus heated gear and equipment exist. You can absolutely ride a motorcycle in Winter, it just kinda sucks.
Sucks in a fun way if you’re a certain type of person. I’ve ridden through a lightning storm where my motorcycle couldn’t go past 55mph due to a headwind. It was exciting, and super fun.
So, you don’t live where frosted pavement and black ice are a thing? And temperatures seldom dip below freezing.
I do, temperatures are often below freezing in the winter.
And how many other bikers do you see around you when you ride, 1 or 2 maybe, it’s a niche hobby not a means of daily transportation for most, go visit any Asian country to see what using bikes as a daily transportation looks like, the streets are chock full of bikers and it’s a mix of men and women, young and old
I wasn’t saying it was a common thing to see others riding (which it is, as long as there isn’t snow on the road), I was just saying people who ride aren’t rich just because they own a motorcycle, and that it’s possible to ride in the winter.
I’m not sure what your point is about Asian countries, I am aware that two wheeled vehicles are a means of transportation.
are solid state batteries even ready for mass production yet ?
Yes
GAC and Dongfeng are already making them. Shaeffler is making them in North America.
