The argument shouldnt be men vs. women, but people vs. those who exploit us, or people vs. the problem

This is what I tried to hint at.

You are also right about society not caring, though I would argue it’s the system we subscribe to.

I subscribed to this? Could I see my signature on this contract?

Women: goes to doctor, doesn’t get good help because doctors suck, bad outcome.

Men: doesn’t go to doctor in the first place because doctors suck, bad outcome.

#healthcare

Personally I don’t go to the doctor because I am broke

I’ve never heard or seen any of that. Can you provide sources?

There is only the class war. Concern silos have failed their intended purpose, (assuming their purpose was not dividing the working class of course) and we should move on towards solidarity amongst the working class.

I have zero Healthcare by the way. No insurance, no doctor. I want better outcomes for everyone. We all should be pissed about the state of the world together.

you can come up with some complicated strained logic for why things like homophobia or racism are a class issue

Divide and conquer. Simple enough for you?

But that’s because your healthcare system doesn’t really exist, and that’s true for just about everything

Don’t know why you’re being downvoted. Many male doctors are sexist as hell. So unless you know there are treatments and bring it up and/or force the issue, the doctor isn’t going to tell you.

I think the previous comment was rather hyperbolic, but to a degree it’s true. I wouldn’t call it solved, obviously, since removing all other factors, women experience more osteoporosis and overall bone loss than men in general. Though when we consider activity, it’s more common for men to be physically active in general, and higher overall muscle mass means greater bone density in the longer term, to my understanding.

But also, most of western society is extremely sedentary, and there is a certain inertia when it comes to encouraging physical fitness as a solution. People do tend to want a magic pill for things. Just look at all the fervor over Ozempic.

Incredibly disingenuous of you to phrase it as “unable to deny that it’s good” while posting irrelevant snippets from studies. Yes, research is still ongoing on how much resistance training is needed to reap the full benefits. Research of this type will always be ongoing.

Meanwhile, the consensus of all medical experts is that women should be training because it has the power to reverse the course of this debilitating illness, among about a hundred thousand other significant benefits. We’re not at the “looking into it” stage, we’re at “the mayo clinic officially recommends training” stage.

Everyone with an idea of how debilitating illnesses usually play out will have correctly identified this as a being a miracle. You, like me, should be rejoicing in this fact and going out into the streets to yell this news at everyone who will listen.

It is such a sadness that women have for so long been robbed of their opportunity to partake in training due to stigma

I wonder how it looks for women who started before menopause though rather than after.

Same with mine! There’s been a lot of outreach and acceptance and many women have discovered that training can be a joy. I think much credit can also be granted to the sport of women’s powerlifting, which is growing rapidly

It sounds like you’ve cultivated a very gym positive space, and that’s great! But yes it far more common still for women to be repulsed by the idea of lifting weights, often because of fears of “becoming too big” or “looking like a man”

Acceptance of lifting is absolutely growing among women, as it should be, but there’s a lot of work left to do!

I think it’s maybe changing, but pre 2000s it was not like that at all, and it’s still really not common in those demographics from my experience.

It’s a serious concern. To properly lose weight with the support of these drugs you need resistance training and to eat right

Do we have any actual evidence of this, or is this just Faustian speculation?

Whenever there is as new, truly revolutionary medical treatment, there is always a mountain of fear mongering around it. People just don’t want to accept that we actually can make real progress. Hell, any time there is any new treatment discusses, the top posts are always people saying that only the rich will ever be able to afford it. Of course, every treatment starts that way, and countless treatments that were once only for the rich can now be enjoyed by everyone.

I think it’s a logical error that people make, simply because they are wary of scams. It’s generally healthy to be skeptical of miraculous promises. But that goes too far when people replace “we should treat this skeptically” with “there simply must be some horrible cost to this revolutionary good thing. I will assume there is one, even if there is no evidence for it. Anything that good has to be a deal with the Devil carrying some horrible cost.”

Funny enough, Cory Doctorow covered something similar in his book Makers. There was a therapy (I forget, either injection or gene therapy) that led to obese people being able to eat whatever they want and still get thin. They ended up essentially skeletal and brittle in the end over years, turned out it’s very bad for you and they ended up needed to eat like 10k calories a day to survive.

I hate to tell you, but this sort of anti-science medical fearmongering is half the reason why millennials and older had to suffer through their entire formative years and young adult lives dealing with untreated ADHD by treating help as if it’s makes people lesser than others.

They’re just kids! They don’t need no ritalin, that’s just how boys are! He just needs to focus, and that’s on the school to figure out! Besides, what happens when they stop taking it, all the good work you’ve done for 10 years including the capability of getting a good job will just fall apart when the apocalypse hits!

Okay, Bill. Now don’t forget to take your omeprazole and losartan heart meds before you have to visit the ER again from thinking you’re having a heart attack, or actually having one again.

So, to this I would say, yes and no. The actual privilege is the knowledge on the different forms of resistance training.

If the knowledge is in place, actual physical inaccessibility to the practice is incredibly fringe. Even people with pretty extreme pathologies have access (more often than not, it is explicitly medically recommended for them to train).

The key to understanding the accessibility is identifying the movement patterns and how to load them. Right so, you may be thinking things at this point like, “well plenty of people don’t have a car, or can’t afford a gym membership, or don’t even have a gym nearby, or don’t have any time in the day to train.” This is all very valid and will change how your training looks.

But resistance training is available everywhere. For some specific examples,

I had an 80 year old woman who had all but lost the ability to raise her arms above her head. She can’t drive and doesn’t really have access to the gym. But she does have a pantry full of cans of soup! So I progressed her through some isometrics, then eventually got her doing lat raises with the small cans. Then some bicep curls, also with the soup. Triceps ended up being (sorry if this is tough to visualize) laying down in bed with her elbow propped up on a pillow, doing a type of single arm skullcrusher with the soup.

Well it turns out after a few months of training these muscles and adding some reps, with a little work coordinating it all together, she eventually could pick up a soup, curl it to her shoulder, then push it above her head! Then after a while she could do it for reps! In practical terms, at this point she had restored her ability to dress herself independently and take food out of her freezer.

It turns out you can do most things with soup! Started her on seated good mornings (a type of deadlift) with the soup to hit her hinge. Put a can of soup in a grocery bag and hooked it around her foot so she could do seated quad extensions from her dining room chair. Hopefully this is getting the idea across

On the other hand, the biggest barrier in my experience is depression. It doesn’t really matter what is theoretically accessible to you if you simply can’t be mustered to do it. I have one client where I agreed their workouts would basically be optional and I wouldn’t charge them for last minute cancellations. So I basically just set them a time where I have something else I could be doing, and if they show up, great, if not, no big deal.

I set this arrangement up in direct contradiction to my mentor’s advice, who is a great trainer but is very business oriented. And to be fair there’s no way I could take a second client like this.

But you know what, I’ll be darned, even showing up only 30% of the time they have actually totally transformed their body in about 6 months. Huge strength increases and about 20lbs of bodyweight loss as the same time. It’s actually kind of challenged some of the ideas I have about the importance of “consistency”, at least for beginners.

Anyway, sorry for such a lengthy reply. You put me in an awkward position, I can’t exactly just say, “No way bro, just figure out a setup for grandma to start doing deadlifts and skullcrushers bro” even though that really pretty much is the gist of it lmao. A big part of the problem is that people have very deeply rooted preconceptions of training to the point where they end up deeming themselves ineligible before ever really considering they have a ton of options

The anti vaxx movement was a conspiracy by big pharma to get people to stop taking the cheapest way to prevent disease, so that they can profit on the expensive ways to treat those easily preventable diseases.

Same principal that IT works off of now. Hey, get rid of the email client you’ve been comfortably using for years, and instead buy this jankier version that you need to pay a subscription for…

* US insulin racket. Be specific.

And yet everyone seems to age the same. Funny how those “mistakes” never turn me into a whale or a plant, I surmise it’s a bit more complex than that.

Yes, ad hominem rather than engaging with notion men are disposable in western society. Trully the mark of a civilized, rather than dogmatic individual.

We know why osteoporosis happens, we know why it mostly hits women and we know how to manage the disease besides the wealth of screening and counseling programs. It also happens to affect men. So this entire post is a misinformed piece designed to resurrect the old war of sexes trope. Anything and any war to distract the people from the only war that matters, class war.

Not that I expected a usanian to understand nuanced discussion anyway.

The post is BS, society sees both women and men as disposable as long as they are lower class. Osteoporosis also hits men although at a lower incidence. At best the poster is misinformed, at worst, it’s a modern propagation of the old “divide to conquer” strategy.