My take is a meme is a humorous repeated and shared idea/joke/schema/etc. Screenshots fall under this for me, espcially if the text is in reference to more conventional memes. This is because I count copypastas as memes, which makes it hard to differentiate a copypasta from social media screenshots and such. I would consider screenshots from social medias to be a low effort meme, but a meme nontheless.

My take is we should allow it, but soft moderate it by constructively and politely suggesting other communities that might fit the content better. This would ideally spread more awareness and engagement in other more niche communities, allow people to still post memes in good faith here, and provide a way for people to help softly moderate without ruining other people’s fun.

If this was practiced though, I feel there should be a rule that community suggestions should not be spammed in a post. This is to prevent the comments from devolving into brigading and spam.

I think it’s 5. for the most part. What could be done is forcing a mandatory tag like [TextOnly] or maybe the platform the screenshot is from [Reddit], [Twitter] etc. That way the people that don’t like those types of posts can just filter them out

The explosion of this type of garbage is a big part of what killed Reddit imo. Or at least when the decline became noticeable.

We stopped seeing memes and the front page was just twitter screenshot after twitter screenshot and then the video garbage came along and it just spiralled.

I personally think it’s worth limiting this kind of thing to avoid the same fate. Though at the moment I don’t see it as a problem because lemmy users don’t seem to be going overboard with this stuff. There’s some restraint and judgment in place at the moment but who knows how long that’ll last.

1. Yes. A meme is a meme.
2. No. Not all memes need to be funny or this would be !funny_memes
3. news might be a meme I guess. Certainly some headlines and articles have become memes themselves.
4. Non-text image… not really required, but it helps I guess.
5. yes, absolutely.

I guess it depends what the community purpose is: should it be a breeding ground for potential new memes where some might hit and others miss? Or are only variations on well-established memes to be allowed?

(My 2¢: the light-touch moderation method is the correct one. You’re doing fine, no change needed)

There is a reasonable discussion to have about politics. (Not because they aren’t memes, but because it really annoys some people.)

For everything else, yes, people are overthinking it. How many people consistently come around here? Do we need to subdivide?

Blanket banning social media screenshots would remove many posts which i would consider “valid” memes, so think that would be too much

#2 is highly subjective so that’s difficult to moderate

#3 i have seen headline posts that i would say qualify as memes so same goes for that as for social media screenshota

#4 same here, the alternative would be links, and i don’t want to have to open xitter to see a funny tweet

IMO, its #5 (overthinking it). I just want to see funny shit, puff some air from my nose, hit the upvote button, and keep scrolling.

I’d say #5, with a caveat that maybe we add a rule giving temp bans to users who complain and whinge and gatekeep memes.

IMO, memes are internet folklore and should not be tightly regulated. Memes have a story to tell or a message to convey.

I don’t necessarily agree with screenshots of twitter posts being memes but many others do.

Allow memes in all their forms, whether there is 100% consensus or not. I believe tight regulation is what drove people away from other sites, such as Digg and later Reddit.

Well that’s my 2 cents. Thank you for reading.

Dan :)

I couldn’t care less. But I still define a meme in my head as being an imagine that presents an idea, with text that presents a situation that you are relating to that idea. As in a meme with bad luck Brian or, chaos wolf, you see and read the words, but the image gives you context, or a “world” in which those words were intended to be read.

There needs to be humour, and ideally there’s something visual beyond text.

Categorisation is a good thing - it means you can find what you want and avoid what you don’t.

I don’t think screenshots really fit the criteria for qualifying as a “meme”—humorous or not.

I understand why screenshots feel meme-adjacent. They can be funny and shareable; however, I think memes (as we’ve come to be most used to the term today) are chiefly expressed through image panels containing text that succinctly convey humour. Screenshots rarely fit this criteria because while sometimes funny, they often lack the visual aspect that makes “memes”… memes.

Think about the distinction between ‘xkcd’s’ and 4chan screenshots for example. We often come across the phrase “insert xkcd about ‘x’ topic here” but we can’t do the same for 4chan or Xitter screenshots. This is what i think meme communities should represent the most: image panels that succinctly convey humour and can be (and often are) deployed at a moment’s notice to satisfy a humourous intent.

Additionally we already have communities like !greentext@sh.itjust.works, !microblogmemes@lemmy.world and !whitepeopletwitter@sh.itjust.works for forum and image board posts and !funny@sh.itjust.works for more generally funny posts. Putting those same kinds of screenshot posts here feels like clutter to me.

So yes, i think we need a rule banning screenshot posts because they don’t fit the vibe of typical memes (although i get this is subjective) and there are already numerous communities for those kinds of posts.

I come here to see memes, not screenshot. If I wanted to see screenshot i go to the screenshot community

I don’t think directly political or news posts should be allowed, but I don’t see an issue with allowing them (* the rest of the examples). Like someone else (@Firey@lemmy.dbzer0.com) said, make people have to tag that stuff so the complainers can filter out what they don’t want to see.

I do it all the time for shit I get sick of, and forcing tags means people can filter out their annoyances.

Defiantly 5, but if there’s more than 15 words delete it?

That should clear out the walls of text and keep the “1 liner” screen shots.

You could also require text walls to be transcribed, no transcription = delete. If the poster can’t be bothered to type it all out, why should we bother reading the jpeg distortion? (Again option #5).

One thing that stunk about reddit culture was the hyper-focus of the “meme/joke” communities. “Oh sorry your cat meme doesn’t fit r/happycatmeme, it must be on r/cheerfulcatmemes”, here’s an account ban for your mistake."

Sure, we have a microblog community, but like someone else said, we don’t need to go nuclear on people for posting here. Just tell them microblog exists. If they keep posting text here, baring any spam/malice, we can individually choose to block them.