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AI doesn’t exist. This is like asking an atheist why they hate god.
If you’re talking about LLMs and the like, they’re unpopular on Lemmy because tech people are over represented here and tech people understand how these technologies work and why all the hype isn’t just false, but malicious.
You mean a bunch of advertising and media companies that control and gatekeep the news are hyping something that’s making them trillions of dollars? That seems… so unbelievable!
Isn’t the “AI” boom making very little for the companies hawking it and making trillions for the hardware providers? I feel like it’s analogous to the people that sold shovels & pickaxes during the gold rush.
Today my boss asked me why Gemini suggested made up columns when he was trying to query our database. I just told him it also makes up fake tables.
This shit is half baked and really never should have been foisted on the public.
This shit has cost the investors untold money, and it was promised to revolutionize the world, so by golly it will, by force if it must.
AI has existed for decades. The chessbot on Atari is an AI.
What doesn’t exist is AGI but that’s not synonymous with AI. Most people just don’t know the right terms here and bunch it all together as if it was all one thing.
If one is expecting a large language model designed to generate natural sounding language to be generally intelligent like an sci-fi AI assistant then no wonder they find it lacking. They’re expecting autonomous driving from a cruise control.
It’s not only tech people who “hate” AI.
— signed, half a tech person
Also not a tech person, but I am an artist. I used to consider going into digital art, but now I’m grateful I didn’t and instead have honed … I guess you can call it “manual” art? As a way to say things I make with my hands? Maybe “analog” or “traditional” art?
Point is, I haven’t seen an AI create a pencil drawing or an acrylic painting. I get the feeling that as people tire of AI generated images, they may find renewed interest in these distinctly human-made art forms. I suppose we’ll have to wait and see. For now, AI may try to steal forms and ideas, but picking up a pencil or a paintbrush and creating something on a canvas are still out of its reach (thank goodness.)
If artificial intelligence doesn’t exist explain Reddit.
Check mate Atheist.
No sign of intelligence there.
Game, set and match… believer?
It’s a masterclass in externalities: local communities face the consequences of the resource consumption by the data centers.
Job loss: were all told the “knowledge market” is where you deserve a good salary. AI threatens a lot of that work. Blue collar factory work will go as soon as AI can be properly integrated with nimble robotics that aren’t quite there yet. With how disgusting our society is (in the US) there will be no consideration for the people who can no longer find work.
Wealth built on theft and gambling: people like Altman become fabulously wealthy with a system that makes 0 profit and has been built off of the stolen works of millions of people.
Capacity to manipulate: we’ve had enough trouble with bad faith actors on the Internet with real people. Now we’re going to have an endless army of “intelligent” actors that will be weaponized against populations worldwide to secure the position of the ultra wealthy over all of our governments.
I didn’t before much, but now I REALLY don’t have a positive outlook on our future because of this…
Yet AI in the LLMs sucks dick, costs us way too much in global warming, and provides very little concrete value.
We need a revolution yesterday.
I don’t hate AI, LLMs are incredibly powerful tools that have an incredibly wide range of uses. The technology itself is something that’s very exciting and promising.
What I do hate is how they’re being used by large corporations. A small handful of big tech companies (Google, Microsoft, Facebook, OpenAI, etc) decided to take this technology and pursue it in the greediest ways possible:
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They took open source code, built on top of it, and closed it off so they could sell it
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They scrapped all the data on the internet without consent and used it to train their models
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They made their models generate stuff based on copyrighted works without permission or giving credit, thus basically stealing the content
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But that wasn’t enough for them so they decided to train their models on every interaction you have with their LLM services, so all your private conversations are stored and recycled even if you don’t want that to happen
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They use the data from the conversations that you’ve had with the chatbots to build customer profiles about you that they sell to advertisers so they could send you hoards of personalized ads
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They started integrating their LLMs into their other products as much as they could so they could artificially increase their stock prices
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They aggressively campaign for other companies to buy and integrate their models so both parties could artificially increase their stock prices
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In order to meet their artificially induced demand, they’re sucking the life out of the electricity grid, which is screwing over everybody else
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They’re also taking over the hardware industry and killing off consumer electronics since its more profitable for manufacturers to sell to AI companies than to consumers
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They’re openly bribing, lobbying, and campaigning governments to give them grants, tax breaks, and keep regulations at a minimum so they could do whatever they want and have society pay for the privilege
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They’re using these LLMs to cut as many jobs as possible so they could penny pinch just a little more, hence the massive waves of recent layoffs recently. This is being done even if the LLM replacements perform far worse than humans.
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All of this is being done with zero regard to the environmental damage caused by them with their monstrous data centers and electricity consumption
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All of this is being done with zero regard to the harmful impacts caused to people and society. These LLMs frequently lie and spread misinformation, they feed into delusions and bad habits of mentally unwell people, and they’re causing great damage to schools since students could use these models to easily cheat and nothing can be done about it
When you put all of this together, then it’s easy to understand why people hate AI. This is what people oppose, and rightfully so. These corporations created a massive bubble and put our economy at risk of a major recession, they’re destabilizing our infrastructure, destroying our environment, they’re corrupting our government, they’re forcing tens of thousands of people into dire financial situations by laying them off, they’re eroding our privacy and rights, and they’re harming our mental health… and for what? I’ll tell you, all of this is done so a few greedy billionaires could squeeze a few more dollars out of everything so they could buy their 5th yacht, 9th private jet, or 7th McMansion. Fuck them all.
When people say “I fucking hate AI”, 99% of the time they mean “I fucking hate AI™©®”. They don’t mean the technology behind it.
To add to your good points, I’m a CS grad that studied neural networks and machine learning years back, and every time I read some idiot claiming something like “this scientific breakthrough has got scientists wondering if we’re on the cusp of creating a new species of superintelligence” or “90% of jobs will be obsolete in five years” it annoys me because its not real, and it’s always someone selling something. Today’s AI is the same tech they’ve been working on for 30+ years and incrementally building upon, but as Moore’s Law has marched on we now have storage pools and computing power to run very advanced models and networks. There is no magic breakthrough, just hype.
The recent advancements are all driven by the $1500 billion spent on grabbing as many resources they could - all because some idiots convinced them it’s the next gold rush. What has that $1500 bil got us? Machines that can answer general questions correctly around 40% of the time, plagiarize art for memes, create shallow corporate content that nobody wants, and write some half-decent code cobbled together from StackOverflow and public GitHub repos.
What a fucking waste of resources.
What’s real is the social impacts, the educational impacts, the environmental impacts, the effect on artists and others who have had their work stolen for training, the useability of the Internet (search is fucked now), and what will be very real soon is the global recession/depression it causes as businesses realize more and more that it’s not worth the cost to implement or maintain (in all but very few scenarios).
That’s an exceptional pasta - well-worded!
Do you mind if I steal it?
Go right ahead
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I hate AI because it’s replacing jobs (a.k.a, salaries) without us having a social safety net to make it painless.
We’ve replaced you with ai
-CEO
Ai is replacing most of the jobs, and there isn’t enough open positions to be filled by the now unemployed.
-Ecconomists
I need food stamps, medical care, housing assistantance, and unemployment.
-Me
No! Get a job you lazy welfare queen!
-Politicians
Where? There aren’t any.
-Me
Not my problem! Now, excuse me while I funnel more money to my donors.
-The same politicians
The good news is, while automation like robot arms is continuing to replace humans, the AI aspect of it has been catastrophic and early adopters are often seen expressing remorse and reverting changes.
Do you know where I can read some accounts of this? I’m just interested in robotics.
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I dunno who’d ever want to use that font as an override for the default.
maybe its a genuine question… maybe theyre asking why do you hate ai, not why do you hate ai
I don’t hate AI. I just hate the untrustworthy rich fucks who are forcing it down everyones throats.
Anything the billionaire cabal pushes on us I automatically hate. Don’t even need to know what it is. If they are pushing it you know there is some nefarious shit under the hood.
It’s built on ‘slave’ labor, illegal use of content and additionally using unbelievable amounts of power so the environmental concerns go right out of the window at a time where we should do everything to not do that.
Also, AI, even if it’s the currently established term has absolutely nothing to do with neither intelligence nor sentience but is being sold as AGI (overpromised).
This has caused huge masses of investment to gather which will pop at some point, causing all of us massive issues due to the missteps of a few.
…additionally using unbelievable amounts of power so the environmental concerns go right out of the window at a time where we should do everything to not do that.
Don’t forget that the enormous energy usage is driving up energy costs for absolutely everyone.
Residential retail electricity prices in September were up 7.4%, to about 18 cents per kilowatt hour, according to the most recent data from the Energy Information Administration.
That’s on a national basis too. If you happen to live in an area with a lot of data centers, your energy costs have probably risen more than that.
Absolutely. That is by all means not an exhaustive list. The shit pile is much higher than that and I regularly forget half of it.
Oh yeah and long term it will cause a massive issue in the workforce since now the junior positions are basically removed and supposedly replaced by AI (but that’s just a very convenient excuse) and at some point we’ll run out of experienced people.
For this the tech bros envision and sell the upcoming AGI which will never arrive though based on this technology as every expert will currently confirm.
But what do they care about messing it up for all of us, they’re already the richest there are so sucks to be us.
Is copying an mp3 slavery as well?
They are talking about ‘Mechanical Turks’ who step in when the LLM falters who are paid slave wages.
Nowhere regarding the mp3 codec (afaik, of course) there are masses of low wage workers required for data tagging for it to work. So no.
I don’t hate AI (specifically LLMs and image diffusion thingy) as a technology. I don’t hate people who use AI (most of the time).
I do hate almost every part of AI business, though. Most of the AI stuff is hyped by the most useless “luminaries” of the tech sector who know a good profitable grift when they see one. They have zero regard for the legal and social and environmental implications of their work. They don’t give a damn about the problems they are causing.
And that’s the great tragedy, really: It’s a whole lot of interesting technology with a lot of great potential applications. And the industry is getting run to the ground by idiots, while chasing an economic bubble that’s going to end disastrously. It’s going to end up with a tech cycle kind of similar to nuclear power: a few prominent disasters, a whole lot of public resentment and backlash, and it’ll take decades until we can start having sensible conversations about it again. If only we would have had a little bit of moderation to begin with!
The only upside AI business has had was that at least it has pretended to give a damn about open source and open access to data, but at this point it’s painfully obvious that to AI companies this is just a smoke screen to avoid getting sued over copyright concerns - they’d lock up everything as proprietary trade secrets if they could have their way.
As a software developer, I was first super excited about genAI stuff because it obviously cut down the time needed to consult references. Now, a lot of tech bosses tell coders to use AI tools even in cases that’s making everyone less productive.
As an artist and a writer I find it incredibly sad that genAI didn’t hit the brakes a few years ago. I’ve been saying this for decades: I love a good computerised bullshit generator. Algorithmically generated nonsense is interesting. Great source of inspiration for your ossified brain cells, fertile grounds for improvement. Now, however, the AI generated stuff pretends to be as human-like as possible, it’s doing a terrible job at it. Tech bros are half-assedly marketing it as a “tool” for artists, while the studio bosses who buy the tech chuckle at that and know they found a replacement for the artists. (Want to make genAI tools for artists? Keep the output patently unusable out of the box.)
I’m hopeful that when the bubble pops it’ll be more like the dot com crash, which is to say that the fallout is mostly of the economic variety rather than the superfund variety. Sure, that’ll still suck in the short term. But it will ideally lead to the big players and VC firms backing away and leaving behind an oversupply of infrastructure and talent that can be soaked up at fire sale prices by the smaller, more responsible companies that are willing to stick out the downturn and do the unglamorous work of developing this technology into something that’s actually sustainable and beneficial to society.
That’s my naive hope. I do recognize that there’s an unfortunately high probability that things won’t go that way.
The value in LLMs is in the training and the data quality… so it is easy to publish the code and charge for access to the data (DaaS).
Why do you keep making and deleting so many accounts?
If you kept the same one, a lot of people would block you and stop down votng every post you make from a new account
Is that Brian ‘Brian Kibler’ Kibler’ of Brian Kibler Gaming?
I’ve played Magic against him a couple times. Great dude.
Looking at the profile pic: yes. The Magic the Gathering hall-of-famer.
Also one of the nicest mtg pros out there.
AI is only looks good if you’re an outsider to the profession. The moment you’re even an amateur, you’ll see all of its faults. It’s just a plagiarizing machine with a built-in contextual search function (any AI model that runs as an actual contextual search instead of a wannabe assistant with a flattering personality?), that can make some crappy looking and weirdly specific clip art, stock music with funny-sounding gimmicks, and buggy code you’d better plagiarize from public domain licensed code from Github.
Why are we asking loaded questions as a first post in a new account?
Are you?
It’s a fair question to ask, given the situation with new accounts.
Does this not look suspicious to you?
AI is trained on the Internet. Look at the bullshit on the Internet. AI will take some random schmoe’s bullshit opinion and present it as hard fact.
That, and it just re-introduced the problem of being able to see search results without visiting any of the resultant websites. The last time, sites ended up burying answers down the page to avoid being able to see results in search previews. Making everything shittier. What kind of response is there going to be to AI summaries? Everything will undoubtedly get even shittier as sites try to get people to visit and not just read the AI summary. Hello even more obfuscation. We’re taking the greatest method of spreading information around the globe ever devised and just absolutely filling it to the brim with bullshit.
This is only the beginning. Soon there will be LLMs trained on other LLMs garbage. And those LLMs will also post and write crap on the Internet. The true pinnacle of shite posting
Hate not so much for AI in and of itself, my ire is the resource use for one. We were already draining aquifers that took thousands of years to fill and now we’re burning even more for datacenters (DCs).
To top it off, America’s western deserts are the best place for DCs. No natural disasters, stable and predictable weather, tectonically inactive. Every time I’ve had to pick a primary or backup DC, I’d hit one in Las Vegas or somewhere out west. (This experience was pre-AI.)
These DCs are burning power and causing higher bills to consumers, which is just fucking obscene. States should legislate that DCs have to bring at least some of their own, dedicated renewables, and pay a premium to the power company for the extra stress and maintenance on the grid. These costs should not touch customers, residential or business.
Maybe even worse is the economic aspect. Have a look at the current Buffett Index, the ratio of the total United States stock market to GDP. We topped 200% for the first time, ever. For comparison, the Great Depression and Great Recession were around 120-130%. This “extra” stock market valuation is all due to AI speculation.
So for all the other whining lemmy does about AI, it’s the ecosystem and economic disasters it’s creating that we’ll all remember when the bubble pops.
