Younger men threw their support behind Donald Trump in 2024 after favoring Biden in 2020
The United States is still not ready for a female president after more than a century of unsuccessful campaigns for the White House, according to former First Lady Michelle Obama.
“As we saw in this past election, sadly, we ain’t ready,” Obama said earlier this month in a live conversation with actor Tracee Ellis Ross that was published Friday.
“That’s why I’m like, don’t even look at me about running, because you all are lying,” she said. “You’re not ready for a woman. You are not. So don’t waste my time.”
Besides the entire “eeeeekkk a woman in the white house!!” Thing, can we please not have Michelle Obama there? I don’t want families who time after time contro the government, fuck that.
If someone omin a family becomes president it should automatically rule out any other family member from even running for a presidency
Oh don’t worry, I wasn’t considering you in the first place, Michelle.
Neoliberals can fuck right off. I’ll vote for AOC.
The way they treated her and spoke of her while she was First Lady, i don’t blame her for wanting nothing to do with politics. Plenty of low key racists on the left too, so she would get it from all sides
Shes right too many stupid people and insecure men in the states
Yea, it’s toootally the sexism and not the absolute dog shit policies. Hilary even won the popular vote. Fuck off with this victim card crap.
TBF we elected the white man with the exact same platform and owners as Kamala.
The only real difference between her and Biden was her skin color and gender.
There were many many other differences, you just choose not to see them. The main example being that for Kamala’s election we just had 4 years of Democrat ruling so voters with a gnat attention span already forgot what Trump was like.
You have not described a difference between the two canidates
No, Biden was elected after Trump 1. Then people wanted more change and it became very clear that Biden was not going to win his reelection (not because of policies alone). Harris simply didn’t either, but she didn’t lose where the old white man would have won in the same circumstances and everything else equal. Harris being equal to Biden is what lost votes, not her gender.
I mean, she’s right.
I don’t care if Hillary won the popular vote. That’s not how presidential elections in our country work. You can stop talking about it, because it’s a moot point.
We’ve run a woman twice now and lost twice. This country is a racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, and xenophobic trashcan.
Get the hint. Play the game to win.
I mean, she’s right.
She’s not. She’s throwing out an easy answer to a very complex question. “Two ladies ran for President and lost? I guess ladies can’t win the presidency.”
But you could play this game with literally any presidential campaign and be wrong.
This country is a racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, and xenophobic trashcan.
Obama beating Hillary in the primary in 2008 proves that our country hates women more than black people. And when he beat both McCain in 2008 and Romney in 2012, it allowed us to conclude our country hates Veterans and Mormons.
Then Trump beat Hillary, proving the country hates women again (but not before Trump’s primary win proved it hates Latinos, Black People, People Still on Their First Wife, and Ohioans). Then Biden beat Trump, proving the country hates Septuagenarians. Then Trump beat Harris, proving you need to be a billionaire before you’ll be seriously considered for the White House.
The two female candidates who lost were WILDLY more qualified than felon rapist pedophile Donald Trump.
If that doesn’t tell you that this country isn’t ready for a female president, then you are actively refusing to acknowledge objective reality and I can only presume you have a fetish for losing.
Ready to gamble what’s left of our democracy?
The two female candidates who lost were WILDLY more qualified
According to whom? You’re trying to apply an objective rubric to a purely subjective selection process and mistaking the job of President for job of Running For President.
That’s long before you get into Harris’s “qualifications” as a party flak riding the coat tails of her superiors. Let’s not forget that Harris has never won a national primary. She couldn’t even win her home state the one time she put her toe in the water in '20. She was unqualified for President for the same reason Bernie Sanders and Marco Rubio and Michael Bloomberg were unqualified. Because they were losers.
Ready to gamble what’s left of our democracy?
I will put all my chips on a Zohran Mamdani or Rashida Talib before I bet a bent penny on the next Pete Buttigieg or Beto O’Rourke.
We need winners, not nepo hires, running the party going forward.
“Two ladies ran for President and lost? I guess ladies can’t win the presidency.”
And all but once when a woman was the VP on the ticket, the ticket lost. The only time when there was a woman on the ticket and the ticket was successful was after the first Trump term.
There’s never been a woman that won any presidential primary (other than Hillary if you count that)
It’s what /u/DarkFuture said; the US is a racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, and xenophobic trashcan. It always has been. This was the case back when America was more progressive; it’s certainly the case today.
And all but once
A full three time, total. Twenty four years between the first two of them.
There’s never been a woman that won any presidential primary (other than Hillary if you count that)
How do you not? But in between Geraldine Fererra and Hillary Clinton we added 20 women senators and six governors.
Politics is a numbers game. You have to run before you can win. And I’ve seen very little evidence to suggest women do worse than men on average. By the number, they run at parity with their male colleagues. You simply have fewer candidates.
A full three time, total. Twenty four years between the first two of them.
Why do you think that is? Might it be that strategists are reading the room (the country)? Nah, it couldn’t be…
How do you not?
Is that a serious question? Are we going to ignore the DNC shenanigans around Hillary / Bernie?
I’ve seen very little evidence to suggest women do worse than men on average
I guess we can ignore each of the instances where there was a woman on the POTUS / VPOTUS ticket. Got it.
Why do you think that is?
Because men had a 120 year head start at electoral politics. More time, more opportunities, more generations of fathers training their sons to be politicians than mothers training their daughters.
Are we going to ignore the DNC shenanigans around Hillary / Bernie?
Hillary out-muscled Bernie the old fashioned way. You’d have an easier time arguing Obama pulled the rug out from under Hillary (re: Michigan). At least that was a close race.
I guess we can ignore each of the instances where there was a woman on the POTUS / VPOTUS ticket
You’re ignoring all the instances where there wasn’t. You think LBJ would have lost to Goldwater if Humphrey had tits? Or that Reagan needed Bush’s dick to crush Mondale by 20 points? Do you think Obama needed to be a man to win, when he was already playing with the biggest handicap in national politics?
Put your name on the ballot and, statically speaking, your gender simply does not matter.
You should read more about Political Science, you’d understand a lot more and you wouldn’t have to pull made up numbers from your ass.
My Brother in Christ, you need to read more English, because you don’t seem to understand the words on your screen.
This is a stupid take. Give the people a viable candidate that doesn’t thank Dick Satan Chaney for his service and cheerfully announces the desire for the “most lethal military” when the voting base is expressing discontent with the governments support for an active genocide, and she’ll win.
People didn’t reject KH because she was a woman, they rejected her “centrist” campaign that was to the right of GWB’s on several key issues. People didn’t reject Hilary because she was a woman, they rejected her being forced on them instead of Bernie.
And both of them had the same attitude, that voters owe them their votes, simply because they’re not Trump. People didn’t reject women, then rejected the DNC.
Give the people a viable candidate
Both female candidates who lost were INSANELY more qualified than felon, rapist, pedophile Donald Trump.
Still lost.
Stop ignoring the reality of what America is.
Don’t gamble with what’s left of our democracy.
Both female candidates who lost were INSANELY more qualified than felon, rapist, pedophile Donald Trump.
Qualifications aren’t how presidential elections in our country are won. You can stop talking about it, because it’s a moot point.
You realize that no matter what you say, running a female for president is a gamble.
You are openly admitting you are willing to gamble what’s left of our democracy at a critical juncture in American history.
Not very bright.
You realize that no matter what you say, running a female for president is a gamble.
Running anyone is a gamble, there are no guaranteed wins.
You are openly admitting you are willing to gamble what’s left of our democracy at a critical juncture in American history.
I said no such thing, you don’t even know my opinion. Arguing with someone in your head is certainly very bright though, no notes.
Running anyone is a gamble
The fact that you believe any candidate is an equal gamble indicates you are not taking this conversation seriously.
I can’t take someone seriously that tries to equalize all things. That is not reality and you are not living in it.
It is less of a gamble to run a white male and you fucking know it. I could care less for your contrarianism.
Any unnecessary gamble while literal fascists are trying to end our democracy is a fucking disgrace and anyone engaging in such a gamble is a fool.
The fact that you believe any candidate is an equal gamble
Stopped reading, didn’t say that. Have a good day, or don’t, whatever.
If you want votes. You appeal to voters.
Not people who only care about politics once every four years, to systematically go through everything you’ve done for 30 years, to see if your the right flavour of obscure political ideology.
It’s not your genitals. It’s because you’re not a progressive
We just don’t want neoliberals running. We’re done with that. Everyone is. I hope AOC runs.
They said that about a black president. So. No. I don’t agree. AOC is very popular.
Obama also hadn’t been nationally mocked, caricaturized, and vilified from the beginning of his political career. I’m far from a political historian, but I can’t think of any domestic political figure who has been so frequently and intensely criticized as AOC.
I could maybe see it with a decisive blue wave in 2026, but then only if it fuels like another one in 2028. That said, a lot of things can happen between now and then, morning is impossible.
They said that about a black president. So. No. I don’t agree.
WTF…US Right wing went insane over Obama, now we have SS squads patroling the streets for people of color.
So he didn’t get elected like they said he wouldn’t?
AOC is very popular.
Among liberals.
She won’t win a national election. Too many Americans don’t like her.
AOC is popular only in the northeast USA, like the others. She also politically untested. I agree with Michelle.
…Politically untested? The fuck? Where have you been?
Besides, it’s not like the people are being elected are either tested or passed their tests by a reasonable amount anyway. It’s a weak excuse when it only seems to apply sometimes, just like everyone who said Bernie was too old a decade ago but who voted for Trump even though his mind was already fading then and was halfway gone this time around.
The fuck?
She is a representative from one of the NY district. That’s quite a unique situation, most of America isn’t like that. AOC is an amazing, smart, young woman politician, with great ideas. This combained with her nationality, means more than half of the country hates her with passion.
Bernie
Bernie situation is exactly like that. He is too old, and people who would be voting for him if he was younger, wouldn’t. However people who voted for trump would vote for a wet pile of rags if they affirmed their prejudices. That’s a fundamental struggle of the american broadly speaking “left”, you need to be a platonic ideal of a best person ever to even be eligible, and you will still lose to a platonic ideal of evil seven times out of ten.That’s seriously your response? That she’s from NY and that means she can’t possibly understand how anything else works? That dogshit country elected Donald Trump, a dude with the opposite of qualifications who also came from New York and who lives in a huge mansion/villa. AOC has actually had a real job. She’s had to work late shifts, she’s had unreliable income. The country might not look like New York City but it’s full of people who she understands and respects.
Take your goofy opinion and take a hike.
“Oh yeah? If you think America will not vote for a young smart left leaning woman with credentials, then why did America elected an old stupid right wing white criminal man twice?”.
Buddy, do you, like, have problems with all this “if a then b” stuff? Logic and all?You’re trying to say that the reason she won’t be elected is [reason X] and I’m saying that despite [reason X] the US still elected Trump. Your argument is bad because you’ve already been proven wrong, and given the history of US politics you’ve been proven wrong hundreds of times.
Your low level of literacy is not a problem with me.
AOC is an amazing, smart, young woman politician, with great ideas
So let her run for Prime Minister of Canada. USA loves them pale, male and stale.
Popular in the SW too
And NW
I agree Michelle shouldn’t run. I’d argue, though, that we’re ready for a woman leader, but we need one presented without a bunch of past baggage (Hillary) or a party agenda (Kamala and arguably Hillary, too) and with their own ideas and not what the think tank says will win.
I’d say it’s pretty hard for a woman to both have enough experience to be taken seriously as a candidate and simultaneously have no past baggage or party agenda.
And I don’t think most male candidates are held to that standard, either.
The misogyny is palpable. In the country as a whole.
Not true. Clinton won the popular vote
I want to vote for a woman, but not a Zionist with plans for lots of tax rebates
I didn’t vote for Biden, I didn’t vote for Clinton, I didn’t vote for Harris, and I didn’t vote for Obama (but I did caucus for him because public option)
People laugh but I 100% believe AOC would win.
I’d like to see her win; just not sure it’ll happen.
What we also don’t need is yet another political dynasty.
AOC
Any woman who runs will be running with the baggage of feminist politics. This is not the right time for it.
I disagree. I just think what I want is a candidate that has a coherent policy and their campaign to be elected isn’t solely/majority “but I could be the first female president” slop. Hillary and Kamala could have been great presidents, but when the selling point is “I’m a woman” and not much else, that’s not going to resonate with enough people to win an election.
That’s what you want. And if Lemmy elected the president, I seriously believe the country would be a better place. But it doesn’t, so what you or I want doesn’t really matter that much. What matters is what the stodgy moderate majority wants, and a large portion of them are subtly guided by subconscious bias.
Hogwash. Women have come within spitting distance of winning the presidency. Twice. Kamala and Hillary were both very unlikable candidates running no the same neoliberal platform that voters have rejected in the last three elections.
Yeah, they would have won if they had progressive policies.
What gave you this indication?
Needing a “change” candidate, which is why Obama Trump and Biden won
spitting distance? That is one Magic lougie, Jerry.
Yes. Spitting distance. They were both close elections. What rock have you been living under?
They lost against the most unlikeable candidate ever. So no, Obama is right. If there is even going to be another presendential election (highly doubt there is) it would be fatal if dems send another woman. America is way too sexist for that.
Unlikable to you. Not to his voters. And Trump also beat ten times as many men as he did women. So logically we can’t ever run a male candidate ever again. The voters clearly don’t like male Democratic candidates. Biden only won due to covid.
The problem with H. Clinton and Harris were that they were annointed. If a woman candidate was brought forth by a proper primary, I think she’d blow the Republican out of the water.
Or a progressive woman who wasn’t part of the Democratic Party at all.
Yep. We seemed to quickly forget that Harris did campaign in the 2020 primary. She was trounced. She was polling something like 16th and withdrew well before the actual California primary.
Why is anyone asking Michelle Obama to run for president? I mean, I know the bar for presidential prerequisites is buried 6 feet down after Trump, but why do the democrats keep propping up women candidates based solely on the basis of “she is a woman that you know”?
IIRC she polled better than Harris before the election, despite not even seeking the office.
I mean, who didn’t?
Maybe the US will be mature enough to join the civilized world in a century or two.
Is there a civilized world left anywhere? Ireland maybe?
New Zealand, Mexico
Mexico? You mean the country where the police are somehow even more corrupt than they are in the US (which is a high fucking bar) and politicians are executed by the cartel for not falling in line?
That Mexico?
Every country has their own unique set of problems. Mexico is not some utopia.
New Zealand copies a lot from USA, we are slowly becoming less civilized
