Obligatory CGP Grey
Let’s kill the nickel and dime, while we’re at it
Now do daylight savings!!
Exactly. Fuck DST.
No one can agree on which time to use so time change will never go away. It’s really annoying. I don’t give a shit which we use, just toss of the ducking time change. It’s 1 hour, people gotta chill.
I say we compromise and just shift to the half hour in between then. What a stupid disagreement
Yeah why not. Anything is better than this dumb time change
Fuck at this point does it even matter? The time change is bullshit on a baseline so long as it’s done on the state level it shouldnt be too bad since eventually one of them will probably win out.
They tried in Ohio. They couldnt stop running over kids waiting for the bus in the morning dark so it was reverted.
I am a champion of the idea of keeping daylight saving over standard time but I am more and more starting to think that the time change is the best compromise we are going to get with the people who insist on getting to work at 8am in the light.
Let’s look at NY city.
June 21th longest day, sunrise is at 5:24 am (Set 8:31 pm)
December 21th longest night, sunrise is at 6:42 am (Set 4:32 pm)
If you got rid of daylight savings time then the sun would rise at 4:24 am in June and set at 7:31 pm.
(Most people in NY probably want the extra hour of light at 7:31 pm instead of 4:24 am)
If you kept permanent daylight savings then the sun would rise at 7:42 am in December and set at 5:32 pm)
(Most people in NY probably want some light before 8 because it’s going to be dark after dinner anyways)
So many people are awake before 8 am compared to 5 am
So many people enjoy the light at 7:30 pm in the summer
Switching really is the sweet spot for NY
Location is definitely important too in hating or liking DST
Ontonagon, Mi sun sets at 5:25 pm tonight (7:58 am rise)
Dexter, Me sun sets at 4:10 pm tonight (6:33 am rise)
Same time zone, both northern cities.
If we didn’t get off DST Ontonagon wouldn’t see the sunrise until almost 9 am today
People in Dexter might have preferred to stay on DST getting light between 7:33 am to 5:10 pm today
The farther west you live in a time zone the less you like DST generally. Farther east, the more you like it.
Ontonagon is so west it should really be in Central Time zone.
If that was the case then the sun would set at 4:25 pm tonight (6:58 am rise) (basically Dexter ME times)
At that point they might want to stay on DST and it would make it exactly what it was today, sunset at 5:25 pm tonight (7:58 am rise)
They tried permanent DST in the '70s for a few years. People hated it so much we went back to switching the clocks.
I just think humans don’t work well with such a sudden change even just 1 hr. Maybe there’s a way we could add/remove a minute every day over two months or something lol
Programmers would be on suicide watch if we did that
As I was typing it I was trying to figure out how it would work on electronic devices and my head exploded. Let alone just your everyday clock.
Just get rid of half of it. I love “fall back.” I hate “spring ahead.”
I like it initially, but after a couple weeks I want to die. Walking out of the office into cold darkness at 4-4:30pm is soul crushing.
Fall back every year! Yes! No spring forward!
There are enough in circulation that nobody will miss the lack of printing for decades
I work at a bank, and people are trying to buy all of our pennies as collectors and leave none for the people who are actually going to use them. it’s a clusterfuck lmao
The penny died pretty quick in Canada, I would argue and say it’ll be gone within 3 years, tenders will just round up/down the total and no longer hand them out.
It reminds me of a popular misconception about Earth and our atmosphere and climate.
A lot of the people who advocate for the environment believe that reduction in trees will jeopardize our oxygen and that we’ll run out of breathable air at some point.
The problem is actually that trees capture and hold carbon, the danger to the environment is almost strictly just the release of excess carbon.
If we lost every last tree and phytoplankton bloom in the world, we would still have enough breathable oxygen to last potentially thousands or hundreds of thousands of years, with some estimates depending on a lot of complex factors, saying that some level of of population density could stay alive for millions of years.
(Edited figures)
Some of you dummies think I’m saying climate change isn’t a concern. You needa learn to read.
That seems off
Where are you getting this millions of years number? Seems really unrealistic considering millions of humans live at altitude and have barely enough oxygen in the air as it is
I rechecked, I will revise it, there are some huge variables and nobody can really agree. It would likely be anywhere between thousands to hundreds of thousands of years, but I have seen some people confidently state that if we’re not running industry and most sea life dies rapidly that it could potentially be millions of years but the carbon/oxygen cycle is wildly complicated so it’s still a pretty hard idea to calculate.
This exchange talks a lot about how different variables can wildly swing the results. https://biology.stackexchange.com/questions/46125/how-long-could-earths-oxygen-supply-last-if-no-new-oxygen-were-produced
One of the only things the Trump admin is doing that I actually agree with and have since I was a child. Fuck coins in general but getting rid of the most dead weight coin of them all is a step in the right direction.
I agree getting rid of the penny is a good thing, but it’s really bad that this is setting a precedent to give the president a lot more power
It’s also a really poor implementation considering the government has given no guidance on how businesses must handle it
Soon:
A: “Penny for your thoughts” B: “Lol, okay Gen Z”
I’d give my two cents but I guess they’re just gonna go up in collector value possibly
We have enough pennies in circulation that your great-granddroids are going to be digging them out of the couch cushions of the ruins of homes for decades.
What a boomerism
Abolishing the USD cent comes way too late.
Was abolishing the half penny in 1857 a good idea? If so, then abolishing the quarter would be a good idea today. It has about as much buying power as the half penny did in 1857.
Yeah, but honestly getting rid of coins is an admission that inflation is high relative to 40-50 years ago. When pretty much every government wants to keep that fact out of the public consciousness. Especially the current US government who wants to both claim we don’t have inflation at all, and are the ones getting rid of the penny.
I’ve been saying we should drop the penny for almost 2 decades, but I still kind of look at getting rid of the penny as a sign of our current government’s abysmal handling of inflation.
So I don’t know the term for it, maybe it’s just propaganda, but a quarter feels like it has value.
The penny however doesn’t have that feeling. Vending machines often say “No Pennies” and toll booths say “No Pennies”, even though the Penny exists everyone sorta already agreed the Penny wasn’t worth the hassle.
I think you could probably convince people the same is true for the nickel. Although eliminating just the nickel is tricky since you’d keep the dime and quarter and that divides weirdly. So you should also remove the dime but that now really starts to feel like it had value.
But the quarter. That would be a hard sell. You’re basically eliminating all coins at that point. Unless you plan on making the half dollar wayyy more popular.
When we got rid of the half penny it was worth more than what dimes are worth now. Quarters are the only useful coin. We should be rounding all transactions to the nearest quarter.
Logically I completely agree. I just don’t think you could convince the US as a whole that’s the way to go.
Should just have dimes.
$1.1 $1.2 $1.3
There’s no reason to break our currency into thousandths. Hardly a reason to break it into hundredths.
Could keep quarters to keep hundredths
Transactions already need a nickel to do 5 cents. So requiring a quarter to do 5 cents isn’t crazy.
Say you have to pay $1.05
Dollar and 3 dimes, quarter in change.
$1.15
Dollar and a quarter, dime in change.
But I think just dimes are needed
Just dimes would probably work logically, but it would feel too weird. If you’re going just dimes, you probably just want to go all in and say no coins.
50 cent piece would be the way to go. Should then also really push $1 coins, and add in a $2 and $5 coin, although I don’t know if Americans would realistically use them. Coins are much more durable than paper currency though, which would save a lot of money long term
I mean the dollar coin never caught on. I know we still printed the dollar bill, so maybe you could force it by halting the dollar bill. But overall I don’t think new coins are the answer.
Based on one source, Cash is only ~20% of transactions. Maybe it will always be 20% or maybe it will be smaller and smaller as time goes on.
I think you’re better off eliminating current coins.
Paper dollars make no sense either.
I feel like we should be normalizing $1, $2, and $5 coins at this point. I know $1 coins exist, but nobody uses them. If I drop a $1 coin in a tip jar, people say sarcastically “thanks, that 25 cents will go a long way” because they think it’s a quarter.
Canada has $1 and $2 coins, but it’s all irrelevant as 99% of transactions are digital tap cards.
Canada was a decade ahead of the US when it came to implementing tap. It’ll take the US a long while to get to the same level of universal acceptance, starting from so far behind
Fuck pennies. Even back in the 90s, it was annoying to receive.
Good, while we’re at it we should redecimalize. A coin that can’t pay for a significant portion of something is worthless. People used to buy snacks with coins, and like, thats where they thrive. Coins are more expensive than bills but they can change hands a lot more times. A dime for a soda or a cheap snack, maybe a nickel if it’s a good deal on a bag of chips is about right.
Like, this isn’t even a monetary policy failure, it’s just something that should happen every century or two in an inflationary economy with a 5% target.
The rule should be “if you pay with it at a restaurant it should be a coin” because it represents a daily use rather than weekly or monthly and much higher levels of wear and tear.
If not for credit cards we’d probably need $10 coins.
Zimbabwe has entered the chat
Those $100,000,000,000,000 bills are fire!
CGP Grey must be doing the crab dance
well, he also asked for the death of nickels and dimes, so maybe not yet
John Green, too.
I knew i was forgetting someone who asked Obama about the penny, couldn’t remember who
It’s about damned time. We honestly should have nothing smaller than quarters right now, going by the same logic as discontinuing the half-penny forever ago (which had more equivalent purchasing power than the dime does now).
Well I guess it’s time to start making ass nickels.
So NYC sales tax being 8.875. My $1 purchase is no longer $1.08, but $1.10. Good deal
This is why it would’ve been better to do this legally because there’s going to be 10,000 corporations and banks trying to superman 3 everyone’s rounding errors (eg rounding up for customers and down for taxes). This is going to create a lot of really stupid embezzlement scandals and lawsuits. Not to mention you can still pay in pennies with a credit card.
When Trumpflation kicks in they’ll need to stop minting more denominations too.
Does that mean we are now allwed to make “mint” pennies ourselves?
How will we request thoughts? Will we be left with only prayers? Noooo!
Venmo for your thoughts?
