I am not a Bible expert, but every time I’ve heard people talk about it, they reference an Old Testament story where a man’s close female relative (I think his brother’s widow or something like that?) tries to seduce him after her husband dies, but then he lets his seed spill to the ground instead of impregnating her, and this displeases God.
The story is obviously about him not fulfilling his familial duties, but modern Christians pretend it’s about making sure you only ejaculate when there’s a chance of reproducing.
Onan is supposed to impregnate Tamar, the widow of his brother. The ancient Hebrews practiced levirate marriage, where if a woman’s husband died before giving her a son, her brother in law was supposed to impregnate her so that she could have some claim to inheritance/not be left destitute.
Onan didn’t want to impregnate her, because he didn’t want to share the inheritance. So he pulled out and was killed for being a shitty person. Trying to get the O but not the responsibility. Absolutely nothing to do with masturbation.
Later, Tamar is supposed to marry the last brother, but Judah, her father-in-law is freaked out about giving her his last son, worried that he is going to end up getting killed somehow too. So he tells Tamar to go back home and wait. Tamar eventually gets sick of this, dresses up as a prostitute and gets Judah to impregnate her.
Well, (not a Christian) as I understand it the whole “don’t masturbate” comes from the story of Onan. Onan was some rando who had his brother die and as such he was obligated to impregnate his brothers wife (as was the fashion at the time) so his son by his brothers wife would be the heir of his bother… I’m sure it made sense at the time.
Instead Onan decides to practice “pull out” contraception so he can keep fucking both his own wife and his brothers wife too. This pisses off God and he gets all smite-y on Onan.
This gets interpreted as either “Masturbation is a sin” or “Give you brother an heir” or “Don’t defy gods cucking fetish” depending on which sect you talk to.
You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’ But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to depart into hell.
Matthew 5:27-30
If not masturbation itself, certainly porn and fantasizing would be condemned by Jesus.
I have yet to see an english translation that isn’t terrible, but only the worst and most unreliable use the word “hell.” The actual word is Gehenna, a real place that was considered cursed, desecrated, and very undesirable. It does not mean “hell” in the way any modern reader would picture it, as that concept does not exist anywhere in Jewish or Christian scripture. It is a pagan addition.
The word “lust” here also does not mean “horny” it means “covet.” It means an overwhelming desire to possess something. The word “woman” also properly means “married woman” and not just “any woman.” Jesus is not talking about fantasizing, but about a desire with intent to take something that belongs to someone else, inflicting harm.
Honestly, I’d believer it. What a horrible sack of shit.
Does the Bible mention masturbation? I know it promotes feeding the poor for sure…
I am not a Bible expert, but every time I’ve heard people talk about it, they reference an Old Testament story where a man’s close female relative (I think his brother’s widow or something like that?) tries to seduce him after her husband dies, but then he lets his seed spill to the ground instead of impregnating her, and this displeases God.
The story is obviously about him not fulfilling his familial duties, but modern Christians pretend it’s about making sure you only ejaculate when there’s a chance of reproducing.
every sperm is sacred
when just one is wasted God gets quite irate
Let the heathen spill theirs
On the dusty ground
God shall make them pay for
Each sperm that can’t be found
Every sperm is sacred
Every sperm is good
Every sperm is needed
In your neighborhood!
That tracks after I got caught with a stash of sears catalog rip-outs and my catholic mom guilt-tripped me lol.
Neither of us are religious now so it’s kind of funny on hindsight at least.
Onan is supposed to impregnate Tamar, the widow of his brother. The ancient Hebrews practiced levirate marriage, where if a woman’s husband died before giving her a son, her brother in law was supposed to impregnate her so that she could have some claim to inheritance/not be left destitute.
Onan didn’t want to impregnate her, because he didn’t want to share the inheritance. So he pulled out and was killed for being a shitty person. Trying to get the O but not the responsibility. Absolutely nothing to do with masturbation.
Later, Tamar is supposed to marry the last brother, but Judah, her father-in-law is freaked out about giving her his last son, worried that he is going to end up getting killed somehow too. So he tells Tamar to go back home and wait. Tamar eventually gets sick of this, dresses up as a prostitute and gets Judah to impregnate her.
Well, (not a Christian) as I understand it the whole “don’t masturbate” comes from the story of Onan. Onan was some rando who had his brother die and as such he was obligated to impregnate his brothers wife (as was the fashion at the time) so his son by his brothers wife would be the heir of his bother… I’m sure it made sense at the time.
Instead Onan decides to practice “pull out” contraception so he can keep fucking both his own wife and his brothers wife too. This pisses off God and he gets all smite-y on Onan.
This gets interpreted as either “Masturbation is a sin” or “Give you brother an heir” or “Don’t defy gods cucking fetish” depending on which sect you talk to.
It’s more “don’t defy God” in this story.
That’s basically what ALL of the old testament and ridiculous amounts of the new one boil down to, though 🤷
. ………seriously? First off; what a wild ass story. Second, how on earth can masturbation be the takeaway? Religion is so weird.
Matthew 5:27-30
If not masturbation itself, certainly porn and fantasizing would be condemned by Jesus.
Seems extreme. Maybe we should just throw the entire bible out.
Some serious nofap cult logic.
I have yet to see an english translation that isn’t terrible, but only the worst and most unreliable use the word “hell.” The actual word is Gehenna, a real place that was considered cursed, desecrated, and very undesirable. It does not mean “hell” in the way any modern reader would picture it, as that concept does not exist anywhere in Jewish or Christian scripture. It is a pagan addition.
The word “lust” here also does not mean “horny” it means “covet.” It means an overwhelming desire to possess something. The word “woman” also properly means “married woman” and not just “any woman.” Jesus is not talking about fantasizing, but about a desire with intent to take something that belongs to someone else, inflicting harm.