Not to disrespect people here but please don’t answer if you’re just looking to say a comment that doesn’t give a good explanation or context. Honestly I’m a bit tired of responses like “cause they’re corrupt” or “because they’re fascists”.
I’m hoping someone with experience in law enforcement or law can chime in and show what the actual laws are and why they could be skirting things. What ROE Ice agents might have. I’m also looking at why I don’t see any large law societies bringing these violations if there are any to the courts. I remember years ago there were entire law firms with staff dedicated to areas like this. Why is that not happening today?
Because city prosecutors won’t bring charges unless it’s a guaranteed win.
So even tho it happens on camera, and they could start at the top of the chain and work down applying pressure to find out identities to press charges…
They’re too scared of bringing charges in a case they might lose to even attempt to hold anyone accountable.
Our justice system has been fucked for decades, but Biden refused to fix it (because he literally “wrote” the bills that got us here) and trump wants a broken system to abuse it.
We can’t just keep letting Republicans break shit, then electing “moderates” who refuse to acknowledge there’s even an issue that needs fixed. We need people willing to fight, even if they don’t win 99.999% of battles. We need people who aren’t afraid to lose. Because they understand what happens if we abstain.
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Don’t forget how accurate the system was at identifying college students at protests despite them covering their faces too.
Anyone telling you a small piece of fabric over someone’s face means they’re impossible to be identified by law enforcement is lying because they think you’re dumb enough to fall for obvious bullshit.
Incredibly insightful. Thank you.
Is it a fantasy on my part that there’s some mythical law firm or society that looks for these violations? I always thought there were groups looking for federal agencies violating constitutional rights.
I’m one of the people worried about the face mask issue only because I fear that they’re also not keeping accurate records. I would love to see a lot more effort going into collecting and compiling as much evidence for any ice who are covering their face. When crowds form, don’t just worry about getting the event, instead get pictures of each individual from all angles. Upload it and share it. When the time comes there is a mountain of evidence to use.
Is it a fantasy on my part that there’s some mythical law firm or society that looks for these violations?
Yep.
That’s what the justice system is supposed to do.
The types of organizations you’re talking about in America, instead work on saving innocent people from our justice system. Or at least ensuring punishments are fair.
As far as I know (I don’t know everything) there’s virtually zero organizations with the goal of getting guilty people charged by the state/fed.
Not saying your idea about documenting is a waste. Just that it’s the equivalent of people using plastic straws while billionaires and AI data centers do irreparable damage.
If cities/states actually wanted to press charges, they’d identify with cell snoopers, or just send 20 cops with a warrant to a field office, or look at pay records. Get their identies, then drivers licence photos, start comparing to social media profiles, identify similar picture of kit.
There’s a hundred better/easier ways to identify them. And this is the type of thing AI can actually be used to speed things up. Any average sized city has the resources to identify every ICE agent in their city. They’re just too chicken shit to escalate to that, out of fear ICE will retaliate personally.
So they pretend that tiny piece of fabric over half a face is just unbeatable.
It doesn’t matter if there are entire battalions of lawyers looking for it. Persecutors have the monopoly on getting people charged with crimes.
The other question you can ask is: why isn’t the entire press on fire complaining about government workers committing crimes all day over all over the country?
Who owns the press and who benefits from the crimes? This is why there were laws preventing media consolidation and extensive corporate ownership before they were dismantled over the last 50 years.
Persecutors have the monopoly on getting people charged with crimes.
I had to look this up and I’m surprised that in most states private prosecution is barred. In the UK it’s still legal, if expensive and uncommon.
Ouch, I never even considered the idea of private prosecution in criminal courts. Looks like a remedy that is worse than the disease.
I was in the CJ field for 10 years, which opened my eyes to a lot. I know you think “they’re fascists who ignore the law” is reductionist or untrue, but that is literally it. It is that simple. It is also not new, regular law enforcement in the US has been exactly like this for pretty much our entire history.
When you break the law, and you have powerful deeply ingrained cultures and institutions backing you that will look away or refuse to apply the law to you, then the law effectively does not exist. Laws are social contracts that are invented entirely by us, and literally do not exist if not enforced. The universe does not care. There is no karmic balance that steps in to even things out.
I think many are just ignoring this or trying to rationalize it some other way, because it is terrifying to come to terms with when you are told your entire life that these institutions, police and courts and laws and checks and balances, are in place to protect you. Law enforcement in the US has fascism and nationalism baked into its core, and most of them are actively wanting what ICE is doing. Many law enforcement are in their ranks or are assisting in ways that most people don’t even realize. And beyond that, the rest of our judicial and political systems are also being manipulated or just blatantly ignored to pave the way for this.
Ultimately the question being posed to the US at this point is, what happens when the people in power do not care or feel empathy, except for their own goals, and there is no sufficient opposition. There are no easy answers to this. When two opposing forces collide, one or the other has to give in some way. ICE has had basically zero consequences for their actions, despite how blatantly illegal and wrong they are. So far, their side is applying more force and it shows.
Well said. Much of the overzealous action by LEOs seen since the ICE immigration operation kicked off is notably similar to that seen during the Civil Rights era in the U.S. They can run people down in the street, club the everloving shit out of them, break their wrists and shoulders during arrest, and kick their feet up at home later that night without a thought of concern about catching charges.
The manner in which demonstrators have been engaged strikes a similar chord to that same mid-century era, where hippies/beatniks/peaceniks could be fucked up and railroaded any number of ways without a hint of worry about blowback (unless their parents were loaded, of course). Nothing meaningful will happen to make them scale back their abuses, legal or otherwise, maybe not even once Democrats are back in office.
The Democrats have no interest in prosecuting cops because they’re all on the same team. It’s Capitalists vs Us, and the sooner we all realize that, the sooner we can actually start improving the world.
But CSI told me cops are the good guys.
Honestly I’m a bit tired of responses like “cause they’re corrupt” or “because they’re fascists”.
I feel this so much. Not only is it not productive, it short circuits thoughtful discussion that could actually be productive. So much so it makes me suspicious 🤔
While you’re discussing it they just kidnapped another family.
They are “allowed” because their actions no longer have consequences. None.
Because they’re corrupt fascists. That’s it. That’s the totality of it. No one’s going to prosecute them and if they do, it’s gonna get overturned
they effectively have immunity under dumpy.
Where art thou 2nd amendment gun lovers who prepared themselves for such a time as this?
They’re applauding ICE, and licking boots
It’s kind of a crazy take because I know you’re joking but the implication is that the left really has no power to do anything. If the roles were reversed they absolutely would not stand for any of this
The ice Gestapo doesn’t follow laws
Honestly love the first amendment in the US. That video is gas!
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What if we just coordinate better and became a bit more strategic and forward thinking.
I mean these people are obsessed with image. They are dependent on the public for that image. We are the public, we have coordinated to make cat videos popular ergo …
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The democracy is there to waste your time. If your step out of line you will be treated like you’ve been seeing them treat black and latino communities this whole time. Why did you allow them to do that even if it was legal? A question that no doubt affronts you.
ALLOW them? Lol.
Yes, like German citizens during the holocaust allowed it. Like you just sat on your ass throughout Israel’s genocidal campaign and continued to reproduce the political system and lifestyle that enables neocolonialism. I would estimate 80% of the US public is totally complicit. This is obvious.
You’re still salty from your other thread, I see. That’s a mute.
*hispanic.
