This show of force, welcomed by some Palestinians after months of lawlessness, could now threaten the fragile ceasefire, especially as all living hostages from Hamas’s 7 October 2023 attack have been released.
The Hamas-run police maintained a high degree of public security after the militants seized power in Gaza 18 years ago while also cracking down on dissent. They largely melted away in recent months as Israeli forces seized large areas of Gaza and targeted Hamas security forces with airstrikes.
This whole conflict has been like watching a video from halfway around the world of a child molester mercilessly punch and kick the unconscious body of a second child molester after he hit the first one in the face. And then having a bunch of people ask “which child molester do you support?” who then get really upset and confused when you say neither, that you consider them both to be monsters, and don’t really care if either, or both, of them die.
This seems like Israeli propaganda. Are they allowing impartial journalists into Palestine? Israel killed over 250 journalists.
It was interesting to see all the mainstream outlets suddenly talking about extrajudicial killings in Gaza like they haven’t spent the last 2 years cheerleading for an extrajudicial genocide in Gaza. The articles are all meant to present an implicit message - “look at how scary and violent these Arab barbarians are. This is what happens when you let them run their own country instead of killing them all”.
The media cheered on Israel bombing a hospital and killing 20 people because there might have been a “Khamaas camera!”. (there was not, it was a journalist camera)
But suddenly they start talking about due process and law when Palestinians execute Israeli collaborators.
Hamas aren’t friendly lovable rebels. They’re a product of oppression, people turned extreme using extreme measures.
The fact that one side is a piece of shit doesn’t mean the other side isn’t also a piece of shit
So any skepticism of Israel is support for hamas? /s
How does Hamas executing Israeli collaborators threaten a ceasefire exactly?
In this conflict it is only a matter of time until the ceasefire is broken. Anything could be used as a cause.
I think you’re right on your first sentence. Second one is entirely superfluous; and doesn’t have substance in support for the question.
Vietcong executed collaborators and most people today don’t deny that they was still a resistance group
The difference between resistance and terrorist is only who wins in the end.
Back to business as usual?
Liberals when the Zionists kill civillians and label them terrorists: “Israel has a right to defend itself from terrorists”
Liberals when Hamas acturally kills terrorists except they’re backed by the GDF: “Wahhh this is a violation of international law which I suddenly care about now”
I don’t consider myself a liberal, but personally I would prefer everyone to stop killing each other. Such a waste of life.
These people are guilty of terrorism, murder, rape, theft of critical supplies during a genocide, complicity in genocide, and collaboration with the Zionists. What are they supposed to just apologize and everyone moves on?
I don’t know, send them to the hague or something. I think spontaneous extrajudicial executions in the public square aren’t going to help the people of Gaza feel safe, but maybe I’m projecting.
What an absolute joke, send them to the Hauge? What are they gonna do, tell them with very strong words that they’re disappointed? International law isnt real, international courts don’t really exist, it is the job of Gaza to make sure that their criminals face justice.
The Hague is a joke which should be closed. International law is dead and the West killed it.
Ignoring that the IDF killed 6 people yesterday during this “ceasefire” -_-
Jesus christ why can’t Hamas and the Zionist party just trade for each others leaderships so they can be executed and we can move past these old fucking religious extremists who keep us busy killing each other?
FFS I hate what religion enables us to do to each other.
it’s not religion. it’s class.
I’m sorry, dude, but this is cope from the religiously indoctrinated.
Right-wing ideologies and religious participation are intrinsically linked.
yes but it’s not “the religion” that’s the problem. “ain’t no war but class war” is not just a cool slogan, it’s practically newtonian fact.
Lemmy won’t hear it dude.
The overwhelming opinion here is that
rELiGiOn bAD!
For some reason lots of people here can’t seem to see that class war is the goal, and those in power using religion to achieve that goal.
Religion itself has nothing to do with it. It’s class war all the way using whatever means necessary to keep the poor in their place.
Religion is a control mechanism that was used to police communities before law enforcement was feasible.
Today, it is still a control mechanism that, instead of being ran by governments, is just unregulated cults available for any well-spoken con man to take advantage of.
Saying that we would still have genocide without religion is like saying quadruple amputees could technically still rape someone. But we both know it’s way less likely.
Capitaism does genocides too…
More than one thing can be true at the same time lol.
It’s their religion that justifies the Zionists exterminting anyone who exists on “their land”
When has a government consciously made the decision to genocide a group of people because it was finantially a good idea?
There usually isn’t a reasonable reason to do these things, which is why religion is used, because it lets people accept unreasonable explanations for what happens in the world around them.
Look, i get it. Religion is important to a lot of people. Mostly because they have been forced from childhood to internalize it, but it isn’t healthy for society.
when has a government
cough: the irish potato “famine.”
look. religion is bad. people are bad. capitalists are bad.
i just tend to think it all boils down to peoples castes/class that really drives this “bad.”
religion is used as lubricant in the class machinery
It has nothing at all to do with religion, not even a little. Without religion, they find a different excuse to do exactly the same thing with no change.
It’s the only lubricant, if you will
It’s the only lubricant, if you will
Dude take a break from the Marxist revolution to recognize there is more than one dynamic in the world.
Hamas said it would disarm once the occupation end. They accept the two state solution based on pre 67 borders. There is all kind of militant in Palestine there is not only muslims fighting the occupation. From thr palestinian side it was never about religion but liberation from settler colonialism
we have absolutely zero concept of what its like to live in a wartorn bombed out, active warzone. we can assume Hamas is awful, but this article paints Palestinians we the same brush. uhm. the civilians in this genocide don’t have the privilege of “options” . this article is for westerners only who get manipulated to believe things. The probably sourced 3 propoganda tiktok videos as “some palestinians”
Hamas is awful based on what exactly? It is a government like any government with the extra of being in the largest open prison since they got elected…
are you for real, or just ignorant? a “government” that tortures, kills, represses its citizens…
oh wait, thats us.
It’s pure racism. Decades of propaganda has trained people to see violence by Muslims as different from violence from other groups. People here have no issue with Ukraine torturing and executing Russian collaborators, but when Arabs do it they’re seen as violent savages who’ve been hypnotized into ultra-violence by their primitive religion.
The only mention of torture on that page is Ukraine killing someone involved with torture. Do you have a wiki page that talks about the torture done by Ukraine in detail?
Here’s the article from Amnesty on the issue. It’s from 2016 so the situation has obviously changed since then, but I doubt they’ve become more squeamish about torturing Russians especially with how widespread Russia’s own use of torture has been.
Powerful local families and armed gangs – including some anti-Hamas factions backed by Israel – stepped into the void. Many are accused of hijacking humanitarian aid and selling it for profit, contributing to Gaza’s starvation crisis.
Nahed Sheheiber, head of Gaza’s private truckers union, said Hamas was acting against gangs that had terrorised people in areas controlled by Israel.
“Those gangs looted aid and killed people under the protection of the [Israeli] occupation,” he told The Associated Press, saying they operated in so-called red zones where Israel had ordered people to evacuate. The Israeli military did not respond to a request for comment.
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Residents of the area, who spoke on condition of anonymity out of security concerns, said the gang, led by Hussam Doghmush, was known to loot aid convoys and rob abandoned homes in areas controlled by the Israeli military. They said Doghmush was among some two dozen people killed in the clashes with Hamas, including a local journalist and a son of a senior Hamas official based outside Gaza.
Hamas-linked Telegram channels said Hamas had targeted “collaborators and traitors” working with Israel. The Hamas-run Sahm security force, which says it targets looters and other criminals, shared footage that appeared to show its forces killing eight people execution-style in the streets as people cheered. It said the detainees were gangsters.
You guys do understand that Israel has been funding ISIS gangs to rape and kill Palestinians? How exactly should the people of Palestine deal with this issue? Ask them politely to leave?
I dunno, but I’m pretty sure the right option is not public executions without due process perpetrated by a bunch of religious extremist nutjobs hours after ironically fascist nutjobs stopped publicly executing civilians without due process only they didn’t actually stop.
Due process would be great if there was a functioning court and prison system, but Israel bombed all that
SO just murder people at random? Great!
Lol seriously. It’s things like this that put me off this site. It’s unhinged. If any other state executed people in the streets without due process these same people would be up in arms, calling them fascists. But Hamas do it and it’s all good. I’m convinced some users here see any criticism of Hamas as meaning that it’s a show of support for the IDF/Israel.
Factly this. Hamas are, morally, as bad as the IDF, they WANT to do to Israelis what Israel has been doing to Palestinians, they just din’t have backing fro the the US and the west so they CAN’T. This is in no way supporting or excusing the IDF, it’s just not supporting or excusing Hamas either!
If jihadi’s had proper infrastructure they’d use it!
No, fuck anybody who support the state comiting the genocide.
Who said I supported any state comitting genocide?
Would you have opposed the execution of Nazi collaborators?
Do you approve of executing accused people without actually proving that they’re guilty of being accused of first?
Netenyahu admitted that he is using gangs that was involved in the stealing of food and helping them in the genocide.
That doesn’t mean people should be executed because they’re suspected of something, their guilt needs to be proved first.
Nearly all of those executions were carried out with due process.
I don’t support public executions of anyone.
I can’t tell people who was stripped from all justice for 77 years about how to deal with the collaborators helping the enemy in a genocide. You can ask for holding Hamas accountable once justice is restored, the occupation end and Israeli leaders are held accountable too
No. I will not excuse Hamas being fucking awful for one second just because the IDF have been being fucking awful for a long time!
Yeah, it’s a fucked situation; personally I don’t think masked men shooting blindfolded and bound people in the public square is the best solution, but you’re right that it’s not my place to decide.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with forming opinions and considering alternatives though.
Fucking dumb question
Please. There’s never been an anti-colonial movement where collaborators weren’t punished harshly. Nelson Mandela’s ANC executed collaborators in famously brutal fashion.
And that makes it fine for a bunch of religious extremists to murder people in the streets?
bunch of religious extremists to murder people in the streets
The IDF was involved???
What a dumb comment
Yes, that’s usually how you deal with collaborators and snitches when you’re at war with a much larger enemy. I don’t see what their religion has to do with it, Hamas is a nationalist anti-colonial movement, not an Islamist one.
Their reason for existence is to do to Israel what Israel has been doing to Palestine, they just don;t have the backing and resources to do so. Hamas deserve not one iota more respect or forgiveness than the IDF. The innocent Palestinians getting fucked over six ways from Sunday in the middle are where sympathy goes, don’t mistake them for Hamas any more than you mistake the Israeli government for Jews worldwide
They’re the Resistance Française of Gaza, except the (new) NAZIs occupying their land have been there for 7 decades instead of a mere half a decade (plus this time around Britain and the US are part of the Axis alongside the NAZIs), hence their actions are more desperate.
Remembers those WWII films were the Resistance Française, when they caught them dished deadly justice to filthy French Colaborationists that had helped the evil NAZIs either by snitching others to them or even by acting as an auxiliary militia for the occupying NAZI forces? Remember cheering for the Resistance and feeling righteous justice from them dealing with the people who were so evil that they betrayed their own neighbours and even families to the NAZIs?
Morally this is exactly the same situation.
Nazi is not an acronym, it doesn’t need to be capitalised like that. Also this isn’t a film, this is religious nutjobs murdering people (possibly at random or for dubious reasons) in retaliation for fascist nutjobs murdering people (definitely at random and for dubious reasons).
Hamas wouldn’t need to exist if Israel ended their apartheid and genocide of Palestinians. There is no “both sides” here.
Not relevant
Oh, of course, Hamas should just turn them into the police. Silly me. Oi Hamas, this Britbong bloke says you ought to call the fuzz!
What a fantastically dumb statement. Well done.
“Could now threaten the ceasefire”
Lol, yeah sure. This is what will do it im sure. Nothing else at all…
By the way, for those that actually read the article you’ll notice it’s super interesting the parts that OP quoted there and the parts that he left out.
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Nobody batted an eye when Israel killed 5 Palestinians a day or two ago
Israel spent the last 2 years publicly executing hundreds of thousands of civilians. Hamas (legitimate governing organization of Gaza) is finally freed up to deal with the collaborators and criminals who were taking advantage of their already brutalized neighbors.
The word “legitimate” is doing a lot of heavy lifting there, bro.
Who is the legitimate governing body in Gaza, if not Hamas, bro?
Maybe there isn’t one…
Whoa dude. Deep.
Same game, different team. Never was about freeing Palestinians from Hamas or IDF. Civilians are just meat for them to express emotion through violence.
