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It seems the meat lobby is way too strong. 🙄
What a wasteful non issue. Then again, wastefulness suits the meat industry and it’s lobby very well
Imagine people ordering a “lentil burger”, “soy burger”, “plant burger”, “bean burger”, or “chickpea burger”, and receiving a vegan meal.
Can you imagine how shocked and deceived, perhaps even violated they may feel? The horror!
Luckily the European Christian Democrats protected European citizens from this huge and common problem instead of, oh I dunno, helping European industry with the energy transition or end a genocide. They have their priorities straight here.
Or maybe, just maybe, this is another attempt by a panicked industry to slow down the transition to a slightly less cruel food production system and these politicians are earning some side money?
EDITED for tastefulness of words. The only words I changed are the only ones that OP quoted and responded to below. The rest of the message was ignored. I actually learned a valuable lesson today, thanks Felix!
animal mass murder industry
You vegans are so funny 🤣🤣🤣
Should I call it ecocide industry then?
Lung disease spreaders industry?
Epidemic production industry?
You don’t have to care about animals at all to see the benefits of reducing meat production.
Carry on supporting “plant mass murdering industry” a. k. a. “consumer deception industry” sweetie 🤣🤣🤣
Somehow industry producing plant pulp which looks like shit and taste the same way are hell bent on calling their inferior products the same as “animal slaughtering industry”. Try to guess why. Oh, hold on, that requires more than a few brain cells and you are a vegan after all.
Well, “sweetie”, I never personally insulted you and I took the effort to link sources for my claims so I got that going for me… 🤷
How have I insulted you now sweetie? I mean, “Vegan” can be perceived as an insult so I kind of get it - but surely not for yourself?
Regarding brain cells - that’s a simple statement of fact. Vegan diet, especially not properly balanced, impacts mental health and intellectual capabilities.
You’re coming across as a complete tool, mate.
Sincerely.
And no, I’m not vegan.
they caught a ban for this already and whined in yptb
They are a mod of both a carnivore sub and one called OP is a fucking idiot, so they are clearly very experienced at both
Fuck the meat lobby. Plant meat is the real deal!
I was going to disagree with you based on etymological pedantry, but it turns out the Old English “mete” just means “food” so now I have to agree with you based on etymological pedantry.
Based (dis)agreement
Fuck’s sake, 2nd time that’s happened to me in this thread. I thought steak should just be beef, but it turns out:
The word steak was written steke in Middle English, and comes from the mid-15th century Scandinavian word steik, related to the Old Norse steikja ‘to roast on a stake’, and so is related to the word stick or stake.
I don’t even want to look up bacon now, I need to believe that it should just be pig.
early 14c., “meat from the back and sides of a hog” (originally either fresh or cured, but especially cured), from Old French bacon, from Proto-Germanic *bakkon “back meat” (source also of Old High German bahho, Old Dutch baken “bacon”), from the source of back (n.).
Nah, bacon is bacon
Good. Fuck turkey bacon. It should still exist as a substitute, for my Muslim friends and whoever else, but they should call it something else.
Is this like algebra where the order of operations matters?
If plant “meat” is real, it would be part of the same lobby. It’s not meat. Just call it something else.
I will call it “animal-cruelty free meat” then.
It’s meat because it looks and tastes like meat. Simple as.
Well that’s a dumb fucking take.
Facts don’t care though, because it’s what it is: it’s meat, just without animal suffering.
sam o nella has got some research on it
and iirc he loves meat so yeah. basically animals are put into concentration camp-like conditions, except they overfeed them, and then kill them in cruel ways and with horrifying efficiency.
I don’t give a fuck about the animal cruelty part… it’s different food, just call it something different. What’s so difficult to understand?
Aight, if animal cruelty is no problem, fair. That’s valid. We’re all humans, after all.
So, I take it you then don’t object to being stuffed with pesticides, herded with thousands of people in a crammed space, and transported off with a truck to slaughter, where you get stunned, electrically tortured, chopped and cut into bits, with your skin being used for leather?
Just want to let you know that the meat industry is doing exactly what people did to the Jews many years ago.
I followed your instructions and called it something different; animal-cruelty free meat. Why do you feel attacked for something that does not affect you in the slightest?
Again with the animal cruelty. This isn’t about animal cruelty. I welcome lab grown meat, which is actually meat. I just don’t understand why there is a need to imitate the meat industry. They can create new things, better things, and it doesn’t have to be related to the meat industry at all. Now it’s something similar tasting but not quite the same food. If it’s labeled as something completely different maybe it would get more popular.
tastes like meat
The closest one to taste like meat that I’ve tried is beyond burger, which in all fairness tasted like a terrible beef burger, while costing like a premium one and being uber processed.
Each one can do what they want, but I’ll take a bean burger that doesn’t pretend otherwise before any fake meat.
Well you’re not allowed to call it a “bean burger” anymore cause that would be coNfUSInG according to the animal mass murder lobby.
Well you’re not allowed to call it a “bean burger” anymore cause that would be coNfUSInG according to the animal mass murder lobby.
Can you find a primary source for this? Because all I see is articles that may well be clickbait. I want to see what they actually voted on.
I think certain terms are definitively meat, eg steak, but saying a burger is exclusively meat is like saying a pizza must have plain tomato sauce.
In any case, this hasn’t been finalised yet as the European Commission - the actual competent lawyers rather than populist representatives (who might not actually represent their voters) - have yet to have their say. I’d hope that common sense would withdraw “burger” from any law that comes out of this.
Edit: With (far too much) digging I managed to find what they voted on, and it does indeed include burger: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/TA-10-2025-0214_EN.html Ammendment 113, if you just search the page for “burger” you’ll find the list of terms.
These names include, for example:
— Steak — Escalope — Sausage — Burger — Hamburger — Egg yolk — Egg white.I’m not mass producing, selling or advertising them, so this ruling doesn’t apply to me.
I guess it’s a good thing then that no one will be allowed to buy the bean burger you just praised from anyone in Europe?
Imagine people ordering a “lentil burger”, “soy burger”, “plant burger”, “bean burger”, or “chickpea burger”, and receiving a vegan meal. Can you imagine how shocked and deceived, perhaps even violated they may feel?
The horror! Luckily the European Christian Democrats protected European citizens from this huge and common problem instead of, oh I dunno, helping European industry with the energy transition or end a genocide. They have their priorities straight here.
Or maybe, just maybe, this is another attempt by the animal mass murder industry to slow down the transition to a slightly less cruel food production system and these politicians are earning some blood money?
Ok OK you win. It’s a bean patty.
I’ll go to eat some rare steaks now. Real beef, of course.
It’s not meat, it’s a meat substitute.
You can say it is a replacement for the thing, you can’t say it is the thing. Simples.
Yeah, and you’re fed farmer propaganda. Cya. :)
Yay, glad to see you understand reasoning and don’t just close off into your biased little echo chamber.
Plant meat
There is no such thing.
Good, product names should not be misleading.
Edit: I wonder what idiots think product names SHOULD be misleading.
So how should a veggie burger be called?
“Disk of disappointment”?
Vegetable patty
“heavily processed plant pulp” will do.
So then a ton of animal meat products needs to have their names changed too “heavily processed animal pulp” too? Because that’s what they are.
Nope. They are delicious mince meat burgers. Which reminds me, it is Fri, time to have one.
Like “concentration camp slaughter” for animal meat?
Like delicious steak, medium rare please.
agreed - if this does pass I can’t wait to stop seeing “burger” as a term used to mean anything but the minced flesh patty and all uses of “burger” for the whole sandwich to be made illegal as bread, lettuce, tomato, etc obv aren’t made of animals
also I hope somebody finally starts enforcing this so we stop getting confusing product names like “peanut butter” - you’re telling me a peanut was milked and then churned? mm I don’t think so…
According to some definitions fish is not meat. What should a fish burger be called then?
According to what definitions?
Various holy books, I believe. See also pescetarianism, which stems from the same place
And culinary as well. And not without reason : fish has very different qualities from beef or chicken. Even leaving out the taste, you would never mistake fish for chicken.
And seeing that a mix of cucumbers and tomatoes are rarely seen as a fruit salad, or that people have a hard time calling a banana a berry, I think culinary definitions are important to us.
Various holy books, I believe
And why would anyone with a brain care?
You were asking for definitions, and I responded by pointing out that they definitely exist. The fact that you or I don’t personally come from a background which values those definitions doesn’t mean they don’t exist, or that other people don’t use them.
And again, why would anyone with a brain care?
Why would anyone with a brain be confused or “misled” by words like “veggie burger” or “oat milk”?
Living animals are made of meat.
Edit: I got downvoted, but I have filleted a fish before, they are full of organs and blood. Your wacky religions can call it what you want I guess?
Consumers readily know what a ‘burger’ is, and will readily understand that it is meat-free if ‘plant-based’ is used as a prefix to it. Plant-based burgers are intended to be substitute products for meat-based burgers, so disallowing the use of the word ‘burger’ will inevitably confuse consumers as to the nature of such products. Clear distinction is possible without directly favoring the meat lobby.
‘plant-based butter’.
Plant-based burgers
*heavily processed plant pulp
Let’s rename burgers to heavily processed animal carcasses then :)
Meat lobbyists forcing regulations on products that threaten the meat industry.
Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
Nothing will meaningfully improve
It just did. European Parliament voted for regulations protecting consumers from deception used by the plant pulp industry.
Yay global warming solved! XD
/s
It’s insane seeing adults make these crying baby comments about not eating as much meat so we all don’t boil alive.
Throw out that pathetic ego, it isn’t doing you any favors.
It is. It would even be better if all the public lying was banned, not just this one.
Accidentally eating a vegetable, you poor thing!
It’s not about accidentally eating vegetables, it’s about products being marketed in a misleading way. If I order a pizza with bacon on it, I don’t want turkey, let alone a vegetable substitute.
However many terms are already agnostic, eg pattie, burger; these kind of things should be allowed. Also, “cooks like ground beef” isn’t a problem, however maybe the way the words highlight “ground beef” might be. Like, the “cooks from” and “made from plants” are white text on a light coloured background, as if to try and make it easier to miss.
There are already laws against intentionally misleading people with advertising. Done properly, this is just an extension of that, to counter businesses trying to get around the current law.
This be the type of person to drink Scheuermilch and sue Kinder Schokolade for child cruelty.
When has “burger” or “steak” ever exclusively meant meat from an animal? This sounds like political corruption to me. Somebody is getting paid for turning this linguistic gaslighting into law.
A “burger” has always been a mince patty of any kind and a “steak” is a thick slab of something. The default assumption may be meat, but it has never been exclusive.
Edit
OP appears to have a serious problem accepting facts. It’s disappointing given the number of upvotes Voyager shows for them. I suppose nobody is perfect.
I agree that burger has always been agnostic, but steak should really just be meat. Etymologically, it was always meat roasted on a stake. Similarly, bacon should just be a specific cut of pig meat, not turkey. Both of these are intentionally misleading marketing - with bacon it’s even so when they’re using different meats, let alone vegetables.
Intentionally misleading people through advertising, in order to get more sales, is wrong.
And don’t get me started on American “biscuits” that are not cooked twice. They’re savoury scones.
What about steak mushrooms literally their name, cauliflower steak, or something with a wooden steak in it?
After I posted this comment I looked up the etymology, the word “steak” literally comes from food being roasted on a stake. So, really, that should be the deciding factor - most steak we eat isn’t technically steak because it’s cooked in other ways.
Brazillian restaurants, the ones that come by with meat on a sword, should count as proper steak. Vegetables cooked in that manner could also be steak.
Felt the need to say this:
Downvotes are supposed to mean “does not contribute to the discussion”, not “I don’t agree with this”.
Do you think downvoting people to oblivion helps the cause?
Does not contribute to the discussion
You expect this from Texas but are shocked and disappointed when it’s the EU.
I’m throwing out the terms BURGR, SAUSGE, STEK as prior art so nobody can trademark them and everybody that produces vegetarian or vegan food can use them free of charge.
Some brands are already doing stuff like this. Here in Sweden we have “Ch*cken style”, “Chick-un” etc. And some are pretty funny but does break these new shitty rules like “meat-free meatballs”.
I don’t think thats how trademark law works, but I appreciate the energy
Honestly I think that this might be a good thing for veggie prosucts
Some vegetable products make for pretty bad versions of their meat based counterpart but would be great products on their own accor
I’ve seen “plant based chicken nuggets”, (0% chicken) which doesnt make sense
Good rule, food market stays the same, but these should be called “veggie nuggets” or whatever
I’ve seen “chicken-free nuggets”, which makes more sense IMO.
But why not include every other thing it doesn’t have in it?
Because if something is meant to imitate something else, consumers looking for such a substitute product should have an easy means of finding it. The target demographic of these products is people looking to avoid meat, so manufacturers already have an incentive to label them as being meat-free. Making them use meaningless words will inevitably confuse consumers more than a prefix such as ‘plant-based’ would, in turn discouraging adoption of such products by curious consumers, exactly the intended effect of the meat lobby that pushed for inclusion of the provision in the first place.
Sounds like standard cheapo nuggets to me
Well I think this law could be fine, depending on how far exactly it goes. I don’t really think it’s appropriate to call vegetarian products “bacon” or “steak”, however “burger” is already generic enough (you can have a beef burger, chicken burger, or veggie burger). In the article image, it says “cooks like ground beef” which should also be ok. A “pattie” is also not necessarily a specific type of meat. Hell, I even take offense at “turkey bacon” - the point is that it is intentionally misleading.
Aldi here are selling plant based products like “no chicken burger”. It’s literally saying there’s no chicken. I wonder if that will get banned.
Depends on how exactly it’s presented. There’s a fine line between saying the product is a substitute for something, and misleading people into thinking it is the thing. Like the OP picture, it says “cooks like ground beef”, which is okay in text, but on the box “cooks like” is white text on a light colour background, as if to create the possibility of you glancing at the packaging and only seeing “ground beef”.
If it’s just “No Chicken”, that’s fine, but if it’s like no CHICKEN then maybe not.
I sat down in a high volume bakery in a German pedestrian zone recently only to find that the chicken sandwich I had picked out was really some kind of fake cardboard plant meat. I have nothing against that sort of thing and I’m open to trying new things, but they used some misleading terminology to make it sound like meat. I remember being irritated at the time and I’m glad the politicians have this issue in their sights. Having said that, I’m baffled this is important enough in contrast to the rest of world events to actually warrant attention and action.
I’m guessing they’re trying to distract people from the fact that they’re cutting back sustainability laws even further.
Nah it was just a day for farmers to bitch and moan and get their way a bit with the European Parliament. Literally, almost everything they were voting on was farming related.
