• Dr. Moose@lemmy.world
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    4 days ago

    Its crazy that we have literal proof that these countries have tens of thousands 9-5 employees who’s entire job is to fuck the internet with lies and its just so normalized an accepted.

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        People still get mad at me when I point this out to them, like I’ve just told them the Earth is flat.

        No, Biden didn’t lose just cause he was old. No, Labour UK isn’t tanking in the polls just cause they’re disappointing (the Conservatives were awful for 13 years and still won plenty elections). There’s more. There’s foreign meddling. And these people just refuse to believe it, as if their countries are impenetrable bubbles.

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          I used to work in organic growth and it’s crazy what you could do in astroturf or brand growth as just a normal person. To think that governments that cannot be challenged would restrain themselves from using this weapon is sadly too optimistic.

          The reason why EU and US arent so blatant because they can’t just start a troll farm with publics approval.

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            Why would the U.S. need public approval for a troll farm? That shit is highly classified. If you think the U.S. doesn’t do the same thing we accuse Russia and China of doing, I gotta bridge to sell you.

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      True, but question: do you believe the US is doing the same or not? Whether it’s the actual government or companies

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        It’s an irrelevant question. Two wrongs don’t make a right. It just makes things more toxic. It’s wrong when the US does it, like anyone else. None of these governments with corrupt centralized power should exist. And this sort of propaganda doesn’t help people.

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        It doesn’t matter if its the US, Russia or China.

        Leading governments launching campaigns to destabilize countries of millions of people while promoting their preferred fascist takeover has ultimately the same effect.

        The working class suffers and loses while the elite endlessly benefit.

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        They’re indisputably doing the same, except that the flow of instructions and money follows the US model instead.

        You won’t find a government-signed paycheck anywhere (well… maybe), but the people who Congressman and Senators and their PACs have to beg for money, are the same people funding dark astroturfing movements.

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      If you forgive the cognitive effort involved, do you mind sharing the proof or evidence

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      who’s entire job

      I agree. Who IS Job? Entirely. Just a fictional man or the basis of a remade Sumerian fable repackaged by the Greeks for the Essenes and their conquest?