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    And the NY Times helped. Carrying water for war criminals lost the dems the election. Heck of a job, NY Times.

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    After years of giving a platform to climate change denialism, transphobic fearmongering, pearl clutching over too much woke at liberal colleges, both-sideing the efficacy of vaccines and indulging in Covid conspiracy nonsense, the NYT has finally achieved its goal.

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          I used to wonder how Lysenko pulled all of that off. Like, they were backward days in a backward country, and the whole world was still just kind of getting the hang of science. But now, here’s RFK Jr who doesn’t even believe in germs, filling our science administration with lackeys, half the country cheering him on, and I’m thinking that university grant departments are going to be getting Political Officers soon.

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            It was all politics, just as it is now. People already very much knew how to conduct proper scientific endeavors, but the Communist Party wasn’t going to do anything so “bourgeois” as practice actual science.

            I’ve long thought of Republicans talking about “true conservatism” sounding almost exactly like the Communists in their delusions, now we see the culmination of their ridiculous ideology and their efforts to inflict it on everyone else.

            They now have their very own Lysenko. Hopefully it doesn’t get to the execution of Bobby Brainworm’s opponents:

            The official support emboldened Lysenko and gave him and Prezent free rein to slander any geneticists who still spoke out against him. After Lysenko became head of the Soviet Academy of Agricultural Sciences, classical genetics began to be called “fascist science”[28] and many of Lysenkoism’s opponents, such as his former mentor Nikolai Ivanovich Vavilov, were imprisoned or executed, although not on Lysenko’s personal orders.[29][22]

            The sheer insanity did not confine itself to only genetics, either. Keep in mind this was in the mid-20th century, FFS. Killing who knows how many millions as a result…

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    A healthy, well educated population which feels safe and secure is incompatible with, and toxic to, conservative and authoritarian ideologies.

    They need you to be sick, stupid, and scared.

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      America gave away scientific dominance when we let corporations write patent law.

      American taxpayers pay 160 billion every god damn year for “science”. Which is almost always grant money to billion dollar corporations who then gouge the very people who paid for it.

      It’s not just a shite healthcare system, every layer is a grift.

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        American taxpayers pay 160 billion every god damn year for “science”. Which is almost always grant money to billion dollar corporations who then gouge the very people who paid for it.

        Not even close to true, Most of the money was spent at universities doing research and training PhDs. This was the number one driver of the US economy for innovation and it returned hundreds of thousands of high tech jobs.

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          You’re getting closer. Where are these tech jobs it “returned”? Dot-coms understaffed by underpaid minions fearing the next strategic lay-off and hoping this sprint will move the project forward so some other group can package it for sale to the very people who funded that thesis already? Those jobs?

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            Maybe they meant biotech and physical engineering jobs, instead of algorithm engineers for the big consumer data collectors?

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            Calm down Francis, hundreds of biotechs in Boston and Stanford areas, the guys who came up with a COVID vaccine in weeks. The algorithm guys went to Silicon Valley because America values post doctoral Fellows right with trash collectors, while lawyers and frat boys on Wall street take all the money for shuffling paper.

            With the end of the NIH, because some baby got insulted by reality in 2020, we will see no new drugs from 2030 onward. Zero. That will end US domination in pharma and pivot the world to buy from Asia, yet again.

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              And the COVID vaccine was only possible because someone was working on MRNA vaccines for decades before that. It was not made in weeks if that knowledge was not there it wouldn’t have been possible.

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    Yeah, but we got to own the libs. Are we not “great”, again?

    Also, outlets like the New York Fucking Times get to pretend to just float above it all, being “objective” in their reporting, because - say it with me - “both sides”.

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    Guess we have to recommend kids who want to do real science in their future to learn Chinese or Korean.

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    Pish posh you and your writey stick. We, the scientists are just as good as sciencing as we ever have been. (More money please)

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    “We’ll show all those pointy headed smarty pants who’s boss!! We’re taking over!”

    – MAGA mouth breathers

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    I didn’t have this on my bingo card when i was growing up. I was told we were the science superpower and the best country in the world.

    Now you realize they were all lies.

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    Well the country was colonized by religious nutjobs that didn’t like the rise of intellectualism and enlightenment in Europe so this is rather more of a return to form.

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          No. But if we are going to talk about Russia having tapes of trump again 9 years after the last time, I’d like more concrete sources than a shitposting sub, or a Steel Dossier.

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          Yes actually, I would fucking love a source — finally something that can be used to nail his ass to an upside down cross.

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    We haven’t been a scientific super power since the space race. The shuttle program was cool, but we even abandoned that.

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    joyous imaginative freedom.

    That’s what Americans have had in general for a long time. They think they are free, because they’ve been indoctrinated to think that, but compared to better democracies, they really aren’t.

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      Which democracies do you have in mind? For many it could be argued that they are American vassals. That doesn’t leave too much freedom for their populations who thus must be indoctrinated even more.

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        That claim is just moronic, maybe you are just using words you don’t really know what mean. Warsaw pact countries were Soviet vassals, where Russia intervened militarily if they didn’t behave or the people demanded democracy.
        There has been no American military intervention to make democratic allies behave.
        Any NATO country is free to leave, and all western countries have democratically elected governments, and better democracy than USA.
        IDK what kind of delusion you are under, but to claim free democracies are vassals of USA is delusional.
        Currently many allies are actually politically pulling away from USA now, because USA is unreliable.
        More than half of a century of Pax Americana is at an end, but allies that used to allow USA to be the leader is not the same as being a vassal, for instance several European countries did not agree with USA on Iraq, and did not participate in the invasion. Comparing voluntary cooperation by democratically elected governments with being a vassal is so ignorant I’m kind of at a loss for words.
        USA has exited many international organizations and agreements, while these are continued by former allied participants, and many former allies are working around USA now to achieve their political goals because USA does not share those goals anymore.

        It’s particularly funny you make this claim now, after it’s proven that USA trying to pressure allies into submission clearly isn’t working, and has the direct opposite effect.
        And finally in other countries there is nothing at all like the American propaganda about being free as by far the most important goal. On the contrary it’s much more about general quality of a society for all, which despite freedom not being the main goal, has resulted in greater freedom than USA has, because freedom is recognized as a human right that must be considered in how we regulate!

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          The West is a vassal state of America we have relied on America for our technology and protection.

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          There has been no American military intervention to make democratic allies

          Because it was not necessary. Look at South America for what would have happened if people would end the dependency.

          It’s particularly funny you make this claim now, after it’s proven that USA trying to pressure allies into submission clearly isn’t working

          Tariffs, 4% military spending. What does not work?

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            Look at South America

            Bullshit, Venezuela is a major pain in the ass for USA, and on top of that has lots of oil, and yet USA hasn’t invaded them. Despite being ruled by an insane dictator with no public support, but under the guise of Socialism.

            Trump wanted 2% for NATO, but now most of Europe has decided to go to 3.5% - 5.0% because total independence from USA is the goal now.
            European politicians are even saying it out loud, there is no secret about it.
            Also USA is selling FEWER weapons to Europe, and American weapons stock values are declining while Europe is skyrocketing. The only thing keeping US weapons exports from plummeting totally, is that Europe is buying weapons from USA for Ukraine. While we are building our own production.

            You are delusional if you think anything you state shows that allied democracies are vassals of USA. As I stated before, we had lots of agreements on how to do things, because we were friends and allies, that does not make us vassals. Also there were clear benefits to both sides and smaller allies too under the old agreements. That’s not how it works with vassal states.
            Now USA is pulling away from these agreements, and there is cost from that on both sides.
            But still that doesn’t make anyone a practical vassal of USA.

            You show NOTHING factual to support your claim, because you have no idea what you are talking about.
            You are only parroting old communist and current Russian propaganda, that even former communist states don’t believe anymore.

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              There is more to South America than Venezuela, and Venezuela isn’t over. There was an attempt at the last election and there were war ships last week.

              Trump wanted 2% for NATO, but now most of Europe has decided to go to 3.5% - 5.0% because total independence from USA is the goal.

              USA got what they wanted and you feel good about it. What more to ask for?

              All because Trump is controlled by Putin. That’s propaganda. USA provides the supreme commander for Nato and nobody is questioning that command structure for the war against Russia.

              Most likely the EU will not push their social network law so US companies will keep deciding what Europeans read.

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                Some of those things are true, or at least partially true.
                But NOTHING you state shows allied democracies are vassals of USA, and Europe is already working on a defense that doesn’t depend on NATO.
                Regarding USA being the commander for NATO forces, what other command structure would you suggest?
                But apart from that USA is unlikely to be allowed that position for much longer. Trump wanted to destroy NATO and he basically has. But all other NATO countries than USA are still allies, and there are works in progress of EU/Canada and many eastern countries like Japan and Australia building a new alliance.
                USA has chosen to go it alone, but everyone else is working on continuing international cooperation to everyone’s benefit. On trade, on climate and on defense.
                Clear proof that USA never had vassal states, but actually free allies.

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                  what other command structure would you suggest?

                  An American commander doesn’t make sense if Trump works for Russia. I don’t believe that so everything can continue as is.