As in: Which makes the most sense from their PoV, ethics aside.
The “middle class” is just the working class with debt. In class struggle terms, its not “rich vs poor”, it’s “owners vs workers”. If you have to work to support yourself, that tells you all you need to know.
I have relatives that own their house as well as a few rental properties, but they also work normal jobs, they get the new iPhone (or sometimes Samsung Phone) every year, they rarely use public transit, always drive their cars. I’m assuming they have health insurance as well. And I also heard they have other investments besides rental income (as in stocks)
Now I don’t know if they need to work, but they definitely have enough rental income to get by even if they lose their jobs.
Idk what class that is supposed to be.
Does it matter? These are just concepts. Marxists would tell you theyre petit-bourgeoisie. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petite_bourgeoisie
Ultimately, supporting the working class helps everyone.
I think an easier interpretation than the “owners vs workers” in this day and age is, are they billionaires. If you’re not a billionaire or close to it, you should be on the side of the working class.
The billionaires that make up only 1% of the population ans own nearly half the wealth of the entire world are the problem.
$10M and up would probably qualify. Below that, people would still need to work to maintain what they have with some measure of comfort and dealing with risk, inflation. Above that, they should be able to be self sustaining without working for a paycheque.
Sounds to me like petite bourgeoise. Wannabe owner class
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Theyre landlords so yes, they basically are
Buncha people in here still don’t get how this works…
When I bought my current home, I rented out my previous home to friends of friends. They covered the payments on that house until they were in a situation where they could get a loan to buy it from me. There were no yachts or caviar for me during those years.
Renting out one or two homes doesn’t make someone “owner class”.
but they definitely have enough rental income to get by even if they lose their jobs.
You had them cover your other mortgage. These people can coast off of rent money. You are not the same.
“My uncle Greg is one of the good ones” yeah yeah I’ve heard it before, go read some theory
You must be right, because generalizations are always 100% accurate.
Theory and practice are the same in theory, but in practice, they are different.
I think the line is when the primary bread winner is your tenant. Covering costs of mortgage only is a nice thing to do, profiting off of them beyond the mortgage is exploitation. That’s the difference, your assertion at the end is highly dependent on how they choose the rates for said houses and whether they profit off the work of others in that transaction.
That’s a really good way of putting it. We have the wealthy, the poor, and the poor who’ve been given scraps by the wealthy and are complicit in protecting them. The “middle class” believe they can gain more in scraps than they can by revolution. And so it continues.
The middle class isn’t real. You are either working class or owner class. Anything else is just there to divide the working class in a forever class war with the owner class.
There is no middle class, there is only working class and the parasitic class.
The middle class is a fabrication. It’s an income bracket created by capitalism, not a true analysis of one’s association to the means of production and labor. It’s “real” in the sense that many people identify themselves to it, but it’s not real in a Marxist sense.
A vast majority of people in the middle class are the proletariat. Some of the people in the middle class are petite bourgeois.
Edit: I think your question is a good one, simply because so many people do see themselves as part of this Middle Class first before they think of themselves as workers or business owners, but I think that’s a sign of effective capitalist propaganda meant to distract the workers from their relationship to labor. The Middle Class largely is made up of people who need to be reeducated to understand that they are part of the proletariat and the bourgeois have been robbing them for centuries.
The lower classes, because “real” capitalism grows from the bottom and trickle down is discredited nonsense, and we work so are working class too. There is no benefit to supporting those who don’t need it. Buying from small local shops and employee owned outfits, and if you are a business owner, paying well and giving employees ownership stake and profit sharing, that at least moves the needle in the right direction.
AFA self interest, middle class has more to gain by the poor becoming middle class, than by the rich getting richer.
Middle class is a fabrication designed to make the working poor think they’re better off than they really are.
The middle class is nothing more than poor people who are convinced that they’ll be rich someday.
The 1% richest hold 50% of all the wealth. If we’re being reasonable, everyone vs them is probably more than enough.
The workers, 100%.
The difference between even a millionnaire and a billionnaire is one billion.
It’s such a large gap that in my view, no one really could claim to be a “temporarily embarassed billionnaire”. Nobody is; there are only workers and there are oligarches.
People who have to work a job to live are workers.
Every other abled bodied person who lives without contributing doesn’t need to be around.
It depends, how do they feel about guillotines?
This has always been my thought. As someone who is living a comfortable life, some would consider me as well-off or rich. Regardless, I am not private security rich, so would be an easy target at the start of the uprising.
Hence, ethics aside, it’s in my best interest to keep the ‘workers’ happy.
Setting aside the “the middle class isn’t real” point, distributing the rich’s wealth for the benefit of everyone else is the sales pitch of socialism, so the middle class is still on the side gaining from a successful proletarian class struggle. I mean, the bourgeoisie winning means the status quo with its permanently declining quality of life, so I don’t think many middle class people are too thrilled about continuing with that.
If you don’t know, you don’t have enough rich friends.
“Middle class” is a social class (like “upper class” and “lower class”), not an economic class (like “working class” and “ruling class”).
If you think having a nice car makes you closer to the ruling class than the working class, you’ve internalized the mind control and it doesn’t matter what you pick, you’re a threat.
