• Qwazpoi@lemmy.world
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    I’m no historical expert and I am just kind of spitballing here but I could see a few situations where that would make sense. Like you have something that is too hot to handle for the time being, maybe you just stole from Spain and now you have to pass through a Spanish blockade? Or maybe people can easily show up to a port with a normal amount of gold/currency but then over a certain amount it either risks being confiscated or drawing attention.

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      Interesting to realize; a ship pulling into port is just a privateer, especially if their cargo hold is nothing but a shipment of bananas. The only thing that makes them a pirate is a freighter on the bottom of the sea, and treasure only they know about.

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    Yea pirates burying treasure is largely a myth imo

    Like yeah there’s documented instances, but it wasn’t common practice.

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        I was under the impression it was just storage under-the-mattress style. No one’s bringing a treasure chest to buy eggs.

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        3 months ago

        I don’t think pirates really worried about laundering any booty. What for? They weren’t worried about the IRS, nor would people generally have qualms about where someone’s gold/silverm/wares might have come from, methinks.

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          If you got a pile of gold, someone somewhere will want to know where it came from. A powerful somebody who will be looking for any excuse to confiscate it. For the public good of course!

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            If you got a pile of gold, you have something of inherent value, which you could, for instance melt down into bars.

            If you have something worth a lot of money, you’ll always find someone to buy it.

            You’re really thinking more like someone having stolen the Mona-Lisa in the 21st century than pirates plundering raw wares and possibly some valuables.

            Hell a bit more than a hundred years ago a servant could rather easily, if they wanted, just steal all the jewelry and valuables of their mistress and if they actually went further than like 100 miles from where they stole them, the chances of getting caught would be quite small. Or especially if they were actually a professional thief and knew a fence.

            But pirated didn’t need to worry about any of that.

            They’d just sail into a pirate haven, basically proto-anarchist societies, and they weren’t in short supply either.

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              Meh, we’re mostly on the same page. I wasn’t thinking so much of legit authorities acting. More like someone will want to steal that gold. Best to keep it on the down low, dole it out slowly, kinda like money laundering. Avoiding the thugs vs. avoiding the authorities? Am I making sense? I have no idea any more.

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                Sort of but not really. For instance a pirate ship might plunder a. merchant ship full of silk and calico and a tiny bit of gold and silver. They’d share the gold and silver, according to the articles, ie the rules of the ship. (Which were pretty strict at times, like boy’s boarding school strict.)

                Then they’d sail into a favourable port, a pirate haven, like Port Royal. Sell the silk and calico, share the profit with the crew, then prolly spend some of it while the boat resupplies and then cast off to find another ship to raid.

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            They weren’t worried about the tax man, but only a fool would believe there were zero authorities that would question someone suddenly coming upon wealth

            And what sort of a fool would live under some state’s power while actively practicing piracy?

            You’re just gonna get the crew to drop you off after four to see your wife and kids? Take the weekend off, park the pirate sloop in the harbor?

            Pirates didn’t participate in high society. Or any state-sponsored society for that matter. They had their own societies.

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_haven

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Age_of_Piracy

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                To think they’d have no need to enage with normal society is … just silly.

                Honestly, it’s now been a few decades and gonna have to say, even if I feel like an old man yelling at the skies, it does feel like people on the internet just used to be smarter and humbler.

                I just linked you two articles which detail almost a century of the golden age of piracy, during which private havens, aka complete societies which were either under weak states which tolerated/allowed or even sponsored piracy, or completely self governing communities. Either way, they were complete communities. There are people who lived their entire lived in cities like Port Royal and Tortuga.

                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Age_of_Piracy

                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_haven

                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortuga_(Haiti)

                Tortuga is 183 square kilometres. These weren’t tiny outposts in which pirates hid from the authorities. They were prosperous and wild, but complete societies.

                To not even glimpse at the basic material when it’s literally shoved in your face, yet still have the gall to argue as if you knew the subject? The internet was better 25-20 years ago without the normies.

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    I’d be more concerned about the flying saucer critter eyeing them down.

    …or the lit stick of dynamite a few feet away from the dude’s head.

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    The only pirate known to have buried treasure… Dud it once to hide it from the authorities when he was attempting to get amnesty