The best example of an asshole atheist they could find was one making a shitty anti-theist meme, meanwhile the examples of asshole Christians and Muslims are violent
CCP and USSR stamped out religious practice, but go off.
As an Atheist myself, don’t delude yourself into thinking religion is unique in its capacity for horrors. Humans have that capacity, any group we make would also have that capacity.
Clearly they didn’t dona good enough job seeing how religion was never stamped out you wana be victum
I was commenting on the examples the meme chose to use. It implies they couldn’t find examples of violent atheists
And by implication pointed out the difficulty in finding one. Unless you literally made a statement about just the types of images they chose with no further intellectual depth, which I mean is possible (I do that shit all the time), it comes with the assumed next statement about there not being violent atheists, or at least there are less violent atheists. So I was talking to that point.
That being said, I’m autistic so I might just missing the point, but I figured that my statement should still be made in case others thought like I did initially. There have been atrocities committed by atheists and there are violent atheists.
“Praise science!” - Southpark
well you can find them on social media hating on women instead. a lot of early atheist youtubers went on to become gamergaters.
or look at a popular one like Dawkins who is busy being a transphobe nowadays. imagine being an atheist and wasting the remainder of your precious and only life trying to make the precious and only life of the most marginalized people in society even worse.
or sam harris who literally defended torture.
Still. Putting Dawkins up against the KKK is a reach.
each of them doing what they’re capable of. the kkk used to have a lot of power. dawkins is just a misogynistic, transphobic nerd. it’s all circumstance. full time hating can lead to a lot of places. for bitches like him it’s mostly trying to get others to do the dirty work.
Mao, Kim jong un, Stalin…
They weren’t killing in the name of atheism though
You can sugar coat it however you like and No-True-Scotsman till the cows come home, but North Korea, iirc, even today, kills, imprisons and tortures more people for their beliefs than any other country.
Believing that atheists are somehow immune from shittiness is absurd. No broad category of people is immune from shittiness.
Again they don’t kill these people cause they believe in god and they are against god, they kill them cause a large group of people who believe in a higher power could undermine their own dictatorial power and control, there’s a reason a lot of these assholes try to elevate their image to a god like being, they want to desperately control the narrative.
“The Soviet Union (1922–1991) had a long history of state atheism, whereby those who were seeking social success generally had to profess atheism and stay away from places of worship; this trend became especially militant during the middle of the Stalinist era, which lasted from 1929 to 1953.”
“The Communist Party engaged in diverse activities such as destroying places of worship, executing religious leaders, flooding schools and media with anti-religious propaganda, and propagated “scientific atheism”.[55][56] It sought to make religion disappear by various means.[57][58] Thus, the USSR became the first state to have as one objective of its official ideology the elimination of the existing religion, and the prevention of the future implanting of religious belief, with the goal of establishing state atheism (gosateizm).”
I’ve went through that personally so I’m very well aware but still I don’t think its very much of the same thing. It’s less due to atheism per se and more to do with the fact that people groups were just dangerous to the regime and this extended way beyond religion.
Finally someone who can think
And when the Cathars, or the Templars were eradicated, or when Protestants and Catholics went to war, do you really think it’s because of sincerely held beliefs regarding their God, or because one group threatened the hegemony and material wealth of the other? In the case of the Protestants, the single most critical doctrine they went after was the Catholic belief that doctrinal authority came in part from the Bible, and in part from the Church; whereas Protestants argued for Sola Scriptura - the belief that doctrinal authority came from the Bible alone. And even the 95 theses clearly had the goal of ending a system of exploitation and financial parasitism by the Catholic church. Welcome to real politics.
None of this does anything to change that cases of church authority are still functionally the same as those of state atheism and anti-theism. In the case of Christian churches, you have the view that only Christianity is the truth and everything else is both the result of the devil, and leads to evil, and therefore all other beliefs are invalid and ultimately must be eradicated.
In the case of these varying state atheist groups you have governments expressing that atheism is the only valid belief system, and again, all others must cease. And anti-theists are explicit about their view of all other religious beliefs being invalid and needing to be eradicated.
If persecutions and executions against religious people by governments that are saying everyone has to be atheist isn’t killing in the name of atheism, then what the fuck is?
The bottom-left one for Feminists doesn’t fit. The others are things that were created by their own group, for example, the KKK was created by Christians. That Feminist meme, on the other hand, wasn’t created by feminists but by someone else to mock them.
TBF I think it’d be risky to use legit examples for that panel
I vote OP take the meme down and repost it with Shiela Jeffries or Camille Paglia replacing the feminist…
ITT people missing the point and projecting their own beliefs and values.
This is how people “strawman”. It’s easy to hate on atheists if you just see them all as their asshole members. The truth is that any group has their violent nutjobs and vocal minorities. You can’t just say all Muslims are terrorists just the same as you can’t say feminists are hateful crazies.
Nah organized religon is actually evil
As much as I resent religion, I do believe it’s fundamentally a human problem. People everywhere have a tendency to corrupt beliefs in order to justify being assholes to one another.
Religon was created as a control mechanism for governments that didn’t have the capability to enforce laws.
It’s a method to make communities self police.
Today it is a dangerous tool left lying around for any con man to pick up and weild
That’s why fascist movements always have a religious/nationalist base.
No atheist hates god. How can you hate something you don’t think exists?
I guess you can hate god as a concept. God can be proven to exists in human minds (no esoteric stuff, just psychology and sociology). You can hate this scientific fact and what it means for humankind.
People hate on fictional characters all the time though.
I dunno. I’m not entirely an atheist (my religion is blasphemy. If the gods exist, they like a target) but I can hate something I don’t think exists. Some of those deities are godsdamned genocidal maniacs and pedophiles.
There is a difference between god as a character and God as a concept; the former one is (in my belief) nonexistent, the latter exists as long as his worshipper worship him.
And ‘assholes’ just appear at random? Nothing in these groups increases or decreases the asshole frequency? Imagine if we thought of all culture that way. Forget about progressive politics changing people’s minds and thereby their behavior. “Some people are just ‘assholes’, what are you gonna do?”
Assuming the probability of assholiness based on culture is how you treat cultures unequally. You fight assholiness in the individual level. You can’t change a culture like that. You can only educate people and they will change their own culture.
Assuming the probability of assholiness based on culture is how you treat cultures unequally.
If you agree that bad ideas can be part of cultures (large or small) to a higher or lesser degree, it follows that some cultures have a higher frequency of people with the need for the individual ‘education’ you’re suggesting.
hi. proud asshole here. destroy all abrahamic religions for the sake of humanity.
3 of these are real examples things the people on the right did, the last is a meme made to make fun of feminists. Don’t get me wrong, there’s a level of feminism that goes too far, I just have yet to see an example of this in real life. There’s something about women in general that makes society eager dismiss them offhand as silly and ridiculous whenever they have opinions.
So you’ve never met a TERF in real life?
I think the term mostly refers to bigots. Most “TERFs” aren’t even radfems, they just use “protecting women” as an excuse for their bigotry.
There are some women like that in real life actually
Is that Elon
I dont get it, which minority am I supposed to blame for all my problems now?
The 1%
Its always fun when the christian pastor will joke about changing the carpets in the church, while i see posts about the muslims in ramadan will give food to the poor during thier religious month or ramadan.
Hell (jumping to the dark side. Sorry muslims) but suicide bombers are willing to give thier life to what they believe in (yes, killing others is bad, but giving your life to a cause is respectible), while my christian pastor will live next to neighbours sleeping on a matress in thier front yard, and do nothing to help thier PHYSICAL neighbour.
Maybe I am the outlier, but for all I see, Christians are the ones pretending to do good, while the muslims had a rough patch almost 20 years ago, and are doing more good that the christians in the last 5 years or so.
Terrible implementation of a decent idea, try again
There are in fact assholes of every stripe and it is good to be aware of those within your own “camps”
Sorry for the autism :)
Why is the bottom right picture done like that, it looks like these feminists just want to be more like men.
Why am I saying this? Because that position of the arm is there to show a bulging contracted bicep. Women have a lot less muscle there, so it doesn’t make sense.
Wouldn’t feminism be better when striving for things that women are naturally better at than men.
We don’t need to do the same stuff, everyone can do what they want.
But don’t make a fish climb a tree. Everyone should cultivate their own strengths and learn their own weaknesses.
And for women, being physically strong will usually be less attainable. Obviously there are exceptions. When I was 65 kg I could deadlift 140 kg, so a lot of muscle isn’t actually needed for strength, but still you get what I’m saying.
This type of stuff, as I was growing up, made me actually believe men and women were the same.
After years of talking extensively to men and women, I can assure you that’s not the case.
There should be no stereotyping, but we are indeed different and do not need to be the same.
/End autistic rant
If you’d like a bit of a read, the character portrayed there is named Rosie the Riveter.
It’s definitely a wartime relic, but the history behind it is very interesting!
There should be no stereotyping, but we are indeed different and do not need to be the same.
thank you very much. that is called common sense, not autism. we can celebrate our differences as well as our similarities.
I’m not sure I’d use Bill Nye as the example of the asshole atheist, unless that’s the joke. Maybe Christopher Hitchens.
No, it’s saying Nye is a good person. He’s an atheist and not an asshole.
But you do touch on something because it would be a challenge to find someone known for being atheist while also being a decent human being. IDK, maybe Daniel Dennitt?
I see. Perhaps I misunderstood the format.
Carl Sagan, Isaac Asimov, Greta Christina, James Randi, Julia Sweeney, Taslima Nasrin, Hemant Mehta, Rebbeca Watson
For the asshole, I would have gone with Dawkins
This is lemmy. All these people are like 14. They have no idea who Dawkins is.
I read his book in HS idk what you’re saying lol
Bill Nye kind of is a dick though.
Some people are really warm in acute person-to-person interactions, but lack the chronic empathy to spread long-term kindness. See “southern hospitality” clashing with who those areas vote for.
Others have a well-oriented moral compass but are just really abrasive in person. That’s Bill Nye. I’ve met him and he’s not like, super mean but he’s got a bit of a holier-than-thou (or rather, smarter-than-you) complex.
The downvotes for this are wild lmao
Judging by the replies, they’re forgetting which sub this is
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