The US President is not subject to laws, when acting in his official capacity, unless at least 1/2 of the House and 2/3 of the Senate vote to impeach him. So winning the election is a license to do illegal things, if you have enough political support.
He’s been doing illegal tgings since before he was president, he doesn’t give a shit and neither anyone else
So the answer is very clear, when laws/agreements/contracts/etc. no longer have an effect at all, usually authority becomes solely defined by force and force alone.
I fear it’s only a matter of time before a civil war breaks out.
There will never be a civil war. Americans are too lazy, selfish, and stupid to actively rise up. You’ll get some groups and people trying to rebel, but the masses will just see them as disruptive to their ‘comfortable’ lives. Ultimately, for all of America’s ego and pride, the people are sheep.
He is commander in chief of the US military.
The US military stresses disobeying illegal orders.
So the simple answer is the US military chain of command respecting their oath to the constitution over loyalty to Trump.
you mean all the ones hes fired? lol. people are fucking clueless.
The chain of command goes from the secretary of defense all the way down to the most junior enlisted personnel.
You seem to assume I meant the joint chiefs or some small hand full of senior commanders.
Generals don’t pull the trigger, and as someone else pointed out, the logistics involved with bombing a city includes hundreds of service members.
Not sure where you get off calling me clueless as my initial response exactly answers the original question.
If not for honorable service members respecting their oaths and the UCMJ, there is literally nothing stopping Trump from bombing Chicago or LA.
as i said people are clueless. pay attention to how people are actually behaving. most frontline individuals are either dutifully following orders or quitting. the idea that the military will refuse trump is absolutely not couched in reality.
If your point is that this mechanism won’t work, then I’m assuming your point is that nothing can stop Trump.
Doesn’t mean my answer was wrong or clueless, only that the means to stop him has failed.
If you think something else is stopping him, I’d be very curious what that might be.
You have a mioptic view of the universe of options. Expecting the established systems that have literally failed at every opportunity to somehow put a check on trump is fool hardy.
If you want him stopped you will have to stop him.
Well, let’s see.
It won’t be his moral fiber.
It won’t be China or Russia the only two military powers that have a chance to have any influence on CONUS affairs.
Maybe his desperate desire for public approval as I suspect major ordinance dropped on a US population center isn’t going to poll well, but I’d hate to count on that.
Me? Stop the president from doing literally anything? You vastly over estimate my powers.
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You need hundreds of people all working together to drop a bomb on a US city. Commanders, officers, maintenance workers, ordinance loaders, pilots, navigators, even base MPs.
You really think you can get all of these people to agree to drop a bomb on a civilian US city, just on a Trump whim?
Come now.
Relying on trained people to not do the thing they’re trained for strikes me as a bad plan.
The smaller the pieces you divide a job into, the less likely that any of the individual steps understand the entire process.
You tell one guy to bomb NYC, he’s going to stop and think about that.
You tell a hundred people to push a few buttons, and they’re just doing their job.
Literally exactly what will happen. you’re assuming the people who would object would remain in these organizations. they wont.
Many of these people are trying to do their 20 and get out with retirement. They’re not going to quit like it’s a shit job at McDonald’s.
Then you can expect them to do as ordered, no? Since refusal would result in a discharge and loss of said benefits.
Think people this isnt that hard to follow the logical conclusion.
I highly recommend you arm yourself or leave the country.
Arguing with US nationalism is fucking merry-go-round. They’re always expecting that one hero that’ll topple generations of conditioning, like a superman. When they’ve shown time and again they are very capable of horrible fucking shit throughout the history.
They act like their contrymen are somehow morally superior group of people who stopped killing civillians at Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria or even their own countrymen. History books say no, their policians hide the crimes (revealed years later) and these people still eat the propaganda for breakfast.
You mean like all of the air force brass, logistics commanders, pilots, all the way down to the MPs, who have been consistent in collaborating following illegal orders to fly black bagged and chained legal US residents that were refused due process to foreign concentration camps?
The USA is fucked. Your systems have horribly failed to stop him and the rest of the world has no interest in getting into a fight with the strongest country in the world over how many Holocausts it plans to do in its territory (or, realistically, Canadian territory).
Look at it this way, Trump is legally capable of firing the Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank (Jerome Powell), and he hates that man’s fucking guts. Practically speaking though, Trump can’t sack the guy without sending shockwaves through the financial world and tanking our economy. At the moment, Trump is trying to trump up (heh) a reason to fire Powell because he can’t do it by fiat.
If his hands are tied over this thing he can legally do, you think he’d be able to bomb American cities? Think even the stoutest MAGA would applaud the bombing of New Orleans? They’re turning on him over the pedo thing, destroying an American city is two orders of magnitude worse.
They’re turning on him over the pedo thing
Sure thing bud, it’s definitely not performatory thing at all. They’re going to rise up anytime with their gums and milifia anytime noe.
Could stop him or would stop him? SCOTUS has granted him blanket immunity for anything done as an “official act”, without bothering to specify exactly what an official act is. This has opened up a Pandora’s Box, needless to say. They’re literally expanding the power of the President, not limiting it.
Congress, since it is fully GOP-dominated, will neither impeach him nor attempt to override any veto should they pass laws to curtail his activities. Not that they would, of course.
The military has a duty to follow the Constitution and is supposed to disregard any orders to the contrary. But whether the military will act according to Trump or the Constitution is an open question. Remember, Trump has removed a number of senior officers whose loyalty to him was in question. And there are a lot of right-wing extremist types in the lower ranks of the military.
In short, we’re probably FUCKED.
Keep in mind that he already ordered the military forces to siege US cities, and they gone through the process of doing it while refusing to escalate into actual violence.
Trump doesn’t seem to have that much control. I’m not sure he would be arrested if he ordered a strike, but I don’t think it would happen either.
How familiar are you with the concept of civil war?
If he would go to bomb an American city a civil war will start. Then they authority to stop him or not will rely on the winner of the war.
On paper there’s plenty that could. The Supreme Court could have stepped in to stop a lot of this. Executive orders only stand in places where a full fledged law from congress doesn’t cover the issue. The military is theoretically as obligated to disobey an unlawful order as they are to obey a lawful one and states are theoretically pretty insulated from federal interference except in a few explicit areas.
But, we don’t live on paper and none of those protections exist unless there are people out there who are ready, willing, and able, to act on them. What happens if the Supreme Court somehow manages to rule against the administration and they just flagrantly disregard the order? What happens if Trump orders the military to start attacking US citizens openly or starts an illegal war without congressional approval? What happens if Trump runs for president again in 2028? Or just says he’s president for life and we’re not doing elections anymore?
The answer is nothing, unless people stand up against him. And… so far… we haven’t seen much of that. Not from people in government at any rate. We’ve seen a bit from normal folks on the ground in places like LA, but our government’s been working to neuter the power of popular protest since the civil rights protests, perhaps even earlier. So reasonable people can disagree on the efficacy of that.
I really don’t want to echo the doomer line I’ve seen written here a lot, but yeah, we’re probably fucked. Like maybe if something was done like… a decade ago? Two? Maybe we wouldn’t be in this situation. But… as things stand? I don’t even know if the damage from the first Trump presidency can ever truly be repaired and more damage is being done on a weekly, almost a daily basis. Personally? I think it’s only a matter of time before this man breaks the global economy irreparably. In a way that simply can’t be swept under the rug again. Domestically? Who the fuck knows at this point? I have to resist the urge to laugh out loud whenever people ask where I see myself in five years because at this point I’ve got no idea what the next two weeks are gonna hold.
So… yeah. Fun times in the ol US of A.
No, the USA is not fucked.
Everything happening now has happened before, and worse, and the USA has endured. It may take some time, but the US will be fine.
The difference is now there are countries who have their shit together and will happily let the US become irrelevant.
USA fucked
You’re either trolling or you’re too far gone from reality to get back.
Who hurt you?
Noone, I just think that anyone who thinks he would get away with bombing a city is either trolling or has a tinfoil hat so heavy they would not get phone reception under it.
I’ll assume it’s a troll and thought it useless to feed him attention.
Maybe I’m crazy, but, I believe the Chain of Command will not allow Trump to order military violence on U.S. soil.
