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Thanks to the commenter who reminded me that it’s not bad to be reminded that the term is only a pejorative because conservative racists made it so.
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Reminder that woke was originally used as a positive term.
Still is if you aren’t a twat
Nowadays I prefer the term “correct”.
I honestly don’t see people using “woke” positively these days.
Also a reminder that woke is used negatively by the same people who cannot tell the difference between badly photoshopped letters and a gang tattoo.
That was depressing. I knew our president was dumb, but I still didn’t think he could be that dumb.
I struggle to understand how you guys in the US missed the signs. I mean… stuff like “they are eating the dogs” should sparkle some doubts, right?
No reminder needed for me, but for those who might want to do a deep dive:
I wince any time someone says something like “Wake up!”, “Take the red pill!” etc.
It invariably means “Start believing the shite I believe”
What’s amusing is that the Wikipedia article traces its origin back to the Republican Party.
Not really. It was just another fart sniffer word some groups liked to use.
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Whoa, fuck yeah Linus Torvalds
On top of all of that he used “I couldn’t care less” correctly.
It’s easier too. You don’t gotta constantly be vigilant for the next way the woke industrial complex is trying to indoctrinate you. Because they won.
They go me already. We’re doing unisex bathrooms? Ok then. Eighty new variants of pride flag just dropped yesterday? Well there’s a lot of new colour combos I’ll forget in 30 seconds but alright. Pronouns can be wholly silent, like the P in Pterodactyl? I cannot comprehend how that works but sure it literally will never affect me in a negative way.
The opposite of being woke is being asleep and oblivious to what’s going on. It’s crazy people say they aren’t woke and think that’s like a good thing lol.
It’s like saying “I’m a fucking idiot” and being smug about it
To be fair, “woke” as it’s widely known today originated as basically the left-wing counterpart to “redpilled”, with both just being two different words used by different groups of people to favorably describe themselves as ‘enlightened/privy to the real truth that most others aren’t’. It’s “woke” as in alert and aware of the truth, and “redpilled” similarly to how it is in the Matrix—becoming aware of the actual reality of things, taking the blinders off. Fundamentally, describing the exact same state of being.
So, I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that if you read someone having written:
The opposite of being redpilled is being oblivious to what’s going on. It’s crazy people say they aren’t redpilled and think that’s like a good thing lol. It’s like saying “I’m a fucking idiot” and being smug about it
You wouldn’t agree with them, even though the above is the exact same sentiment—the only difference is in what the content of said ‘higher truth’ that one who’s woke/redpilled has become ‘enlightened’ to, is.
It’s the exact same reason the demographic of people who are against abortion in the US don’t call themselves “anti-abortion”, but “pro-life”. Like the above, it’s a PR move. Would you accept a ‘pro-lifer’ telling you you’re “anti-life” if you oppose their view? That’s the kind of rhetorical maneuver you’re employing in your comment.
My point is, the self-labeled descriptor is not important, and all sides will obviously use a descriptor that sounds good and makes them sound favorable to describe themselves, so focusing on it is pointless, and just comes off as arrogance. Focus instead on the actual things that “woke” represents—it hits much harder imo to read something like, for example, “it’s crazy people say they’re against healthcare being a human right and think that’s like a good thing lol”, than what I quoted above.
a few problems with this comment:
- woke is net a left wing counterpart to “redpilled” it’s a term at least 160 years old
- anyone who claims to be woke is instantly not woke. you have to earn being called woke by an oppressed person. you can claim to be conscious to aspects of this system of oppression, but you cannot claim to be woke or conscious without instantly demonstrating yourself to be a performative ally
- your issue is not with whether or not being woke is good, your issue is with whether or not claiming to be woke is good, in which case, see point 2
- conservatives use redpilled wrong just like they use woke wrong. they just generally use any terms of consciousness wrong because fascism is a scam that promises progressive benefits through status quo, an obvious logical fallacy
your issue isn’t with “woke” your issue is with how conservatives use the word woke, literally the point of the OP
woke is net a left wing counterpart to “redpilled” it’s a term at least 160 years old
Okay, I know when it’s a waste of time to keep reading a comment. This is Advanced Bad Faith, lol.
i’m being for real. and that you deny real history and say real history is “bad faith” is terrifying. you’re being willfully unaware of what’s going on around here and declaring yourself to be superior in knowing what’s going on
“I’m a fucking idiot” That IS what I hear whenever a magat bleats.
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If you’re not woke your eyes are closed
Or just plain stupid
Petition to rename Twitter again, to Twatter. I know, I know, my intellect is frightening sometimes. /s
Just saw the recent south park episode- absolutely killed. Poor Cartman is nothing withoutout the woke 😢
You could choose to be neither.
Participating in culture wars manufactured to drive social-media-engagement isn’t obligatory.
That’s a shit argument that casts aside billions of human beings and their rights as such. And your follow-up is even more trolly? Fuck off.
“Choosing to be neither” is choosing to be an ignorant twat but too afraid to own up to it.
👆This👆 is how they view the entire non-hegemonic wprld. They admit it.
Or, I understand that there’s no neutral position when the options are freedom or oppression. If you’re ok with oppression, you’re not a neutral observer, you’re a supporter of oppression.
If you’re ok with it, at least have the stones to admit it instead of pretending you’re neutral.
Doesn’t really apply to a flame war tho.
The right know they can’t win the economic argument. Everyone’s purchasing power is going down and living standards are stagnating.
That’s why they push the ‘woke’ stuff and divide the workers. It’s common sense. Why else would right-wing platforms like Google,Facebook,Newscorp be plastered with this “no neutral! You have to pick a side!” shite?
Doesn’t really apply to a flame war tho.
I’m not talking about flame wars, I’m talking about real world shit. You know, the shit that’s actually behind the behaviors they call ‘woke’ to try to get people to stop doing.
The right know they can’t win the economic argument. Everyone’s purchasing power is going down and living standards are stagnating
Yep, and they use the ‘woke’ shit to make people be ok with worsening conditions because wanting to be treated like a real person is ‘woke’
That’s why they push the ‘woke’ stuff and divide the workers
People push the ‘woke’ shit because it’s a thought terminating cliche that allows ignorant twats to not think about why they’re actually being awful to people or supporting people destroying innocent peoples’ lives
Why else would right-wing platforms like Google,Facebook,Newscorp be plastered with this “no neutral! You have to pick a side!” shite?
What? They push the ‘woke narrative’ bullshit, or actively support the oppressors. If anything, they take the neutral position so they don’t have to justify supporting oppression when they can pretend to be neutral.
What? They push the woke bullshit, or actively support the oppressors. If anything, they take the neutral position so they don’t have to justify supporting oppression when they can pretend to be neutral.
i was gonna say something to this effect. big tech firms aren’t pushing woke anything. they’re the most anti-woke shit out there. they want us isolated and divided so we never learn our true power as a populace. if this poster keeps drilling down this insane “woke people are just as ignorant as fascists” bullshit i’m going to block them because their entire argument hinges on assuming white usage of a Black term is correct when it is overtly and intentionally incorrect.
but what else would i expect from a
.mlposter. it’s always performative leftist outrage trying to shut down anti-authoritarian thought rather than contributing anything meaningful or useful.big tech firms aren’t pushing woke anything. they’re the most anti-woke shit out there.
Yeah, I was meaning more the ‘woke narrative’ shit. The tech firms are working hand in glove with conservatives to push the narratives that get ignorant twats all riled up about ‘wokeness’. I updated that part for clarity.
Oh god… Imagine actually accepting tolerance.
I swear that “woke” is what these fucking troglodytes say when they know they’ve lost an argument. It’s like some sort of primal defense mechanism.
The same people also see being “progressive” as a bad thing. I swear, if they had they way, we still be amazed at the sight of fire while living in our caves.
Yeah but have you noticed how despite the fact that they normally hate progress and change because it makes their control harder, they’re utterly obsessed with AI.
I agree that wokeness is more enlightened than ignorance, but I also wonder how woke it is to scorn the less enlightened so hard.
I’m sure someone is somewhere grappling with that.
Since the politicians they support and voted in are actively dismantling the government, erecting a dictatorship, and enacting policies guaranteed to get people needlessly killed I don’t find myself burdened by such concerns.
The point isn’t to take sides with the sheep, it’s about self-awareness. Recognizing that hating ignorant people is just a different form of ignorance. We’re all burdened by or own ignorance even if we don’t know it.
I don’t hate them for their ignorance. I would actually stop short of saying I hate them at all. But the deep disdain I feel for them is for the hellscape they have dragged all of us into, and which will take decades to fix, if we fix it at all.
So yeah, I’m probably burdened by being ignorant of how that makes me just as bad as they are.
Considering I’ll die of old age still being harmed by what they have empowered and are currently cheering for, and will also die knowing my kids’ lives and the lives of everyone I care about will be worse because of it, I’m ok with that.
NO. They are assholes. I am NOTHING like Donny 2 Dolls’ cult followers. I stay out of other peoples lives. I feel that people like YOU just let them off the hook, and are part of the problem.
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So conservatives version of this is their deweaponization of the word nazi? Fuck this timeline.
The anti woke crowd … hear that it is in someway anti racist
And dismiss it . They like their racism… It makes them feel important and powerful
Bully them into submission, racism and anti woke is not accepted, rather have peaceful people being themselves, than the people getting angry for people loving the same gender or trying to love themselves
Waving your hands and saying “woke is not an insult” will not stop it from being used as an insult. But we can counter by using MAGA as an insult.
yup. but it also takes away their power when they’re like “you’re woke!” and you’re like “oh, you really think so? that’s wonderful”
yeah if you can pull it off but tbh it’s probably not going to go as well as you might picture it in your head.
no for sure. it’s a two prong attack of counterpropaganda. the first is responding immediately by saying MAGA or MAGAt like its a hateful term (easy, it is) but the other prong is within our own circles reminding ourselves that woke folk get shit done and it’s a good thing to be
I feel like there’s a pretty big set of center-to-left people for whom the positive notion of wokeness is spoiled by particularly egregious behaviour of, say, “woke Twitter.” (for instance, I suspect many are eager to move on from “mansplain.” And let’s not forget people bullying Lindsay Ellis for comparing Raya and the Last Dragon to Avatar; that was fucked up.)
If we can deftly arrange for “woke” to redirect to that kind of peripheral stuff, and extract the important stuff – protections for minorities, diversity and inclusion, etc. – under some new label, then yeah I’m content to leave “woke” in the past.
“Drawing Bayesian inferences after extensive sampling, I’ve determined that it’s 99-percent certain that anyone who uses ‘woke’ as pejorative will turn out to be a fuckhead. Please don’t blame me for pointing this out—it’s just science.” — Mike Godwin
