transcription: open letter to the lgbtq. dear lgbtq, you are the most inclusive community i know. it is an honor to hang with you. i think it is time to step up your game and add one more letter. s as in straight. -slgbtq supporter.

THE STRAIGHTS ARE AT IT AGAIN. putting the s at the front of lgbtq is by far the straightest straight person thing i have ever seen

  • iuseasahibtw@ani.socialdeleted by creatorEnglish
    35·
    7 天前

    That was a Godlike shitpost, in a newspaper no less. It’s like vintage shit posting but in modern times. Like when some art chud paints with actual paint and not a draw tablet.

    • YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.todayEnglish
      10·
      7 天前

      Shitpublishing has an air of superiority to it. Like it carries gravitas. Any idiot with Wi-Fi can shitpost, but you have to be an adult, with bank accounts and stuff to shitpublish.

  • NotAnOtter@lemmus.orgEnglish
    18·
    7 天前

    Jokes aside, this would just mean “everyone that like some form of sexual activity” at that point. Like ignoring the political aspect, the term would just cease to have function.

      • NotAnOtter@lemmus.orgEnglish
        12·
        7 天前

        The menacing horse meme but it’s a horde of 8 billion people menacingly fucking to spite the asexual community

      • NotAnOtter@lemmus.orgEnglish
        3·
        7 天前

        The ‘+’ is not present in the meme.

        Queer sometimes includes ace people but typically not, which is why you normally see LGBTQA+ in modern contexts. The Q and A being different groups of people. I’m not making a political statement about A != Q just a linguistic argument about how I typically see the terms used.

      • NotAnOtter@lemmus.orgEnglish
        1·
        7 天前

        But the version in the meme does not have a “+”

        I adjusted my comment because of that exact thought.

        FWIW I find using ‘the straights’ as a pejorative like that distasteful. Like when one gay person does something antisocial and people attribute that action to the “the gays”.

  • Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    7·
    7 天前

    It’s not difficult to recognize you’re queer. Very few people are 0 on the Kinsey scale. Almost everyone would count as bisexual, if they chose to recognize it and own it.

    But LGBT+ is about identity. It’s about having enough introspection regarding your own sexuality or your own gender disposition to recognize that this is an aspect of who you are. And because there are social forces that want to push us out of the community, that identity is also political.¹

    But straight is also an identity. Not all mlw folk are straight. Straight means identifying as someone who is strictly heterosexual, often to fit into a society that is uncomfortable with LGBT+ folk. It’s a specific assertion that you are not queer. It’s capitulation to pressure to conform.

    For much of my life, I identified as a man who is sexually attracted to women, but I also left room for the possibility that maybe I just haven’t found the right dude.² Not because I felt particularly bi-curious, but having been in a sex positive community, it just felt appropriate to leave that door open. Also having bi- friends and partners, there’s a common experience that people slide around on the Kinsey scale with age.

    For straights – people who actively identify as straight – that door is closed.

    And in this political clime, closing that door might be necessary; it might be unsafe for you to be anything but straight in your neighborhood without risking exposure to harassment and hate crime.

    It’s a liability to present as queer. We do so anyway (when we can, when there isn’t too much risk) as part of a movement to normalize sexual and gender diversity, and promote tolerance in our society. But straights are not taking that same risk.

    That all said, the LGBT+ community absolutely invites you to consider with honesty and sobriety what you are sexually attracted to, and how you like to express your gender. And if you find there’s something else there than church-approved cis-gender heterosexuality, explore that and adjust your identity accordingly. Our doors are always open.

    ¹ Note that LGBT+ isn’t always about behavior, and this can upset some people. For example, there is a subset of the wlw community who only wants gold star lesbians (women who’ve never been with men, ever) in their spaces. They’re a pretty isolated group. The British television series Bob & Rose by Russell T. Davies explores what happens when a gay man falls in love with a woman, and the upset (and antics) that can cause.

    ² I’d also eventually realize that I’m bi-romantic, which might (also) count as queer nowadays. When it comes to non-sexual love language, I tend to express it with people I’m close to regardless of their gender.

  • derfaucet@beehaw.orgEnglish
    5·
    6 天前

    I always considered the plus at the end of LGBTQ+ to mean “and everyone else.”. Am I wrong?

    I’m a strait and have never felt out of place at an LGBTQ+ event.

    I have felt out of place at a couple of the gay bars my friends have taken me to… I didn’t feel rejected or anything and still enjoyed dancing the night away… I just wasn’t in search of anyone that was there. They were strictly G bars tho, not some pansexual playground like the LGBTQ+ places where I’ve had a blast and gotten lucky at the end of the night

  • Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.orgBanned from communityEnglish
    4·
    7 天前

    I think it’s ok for straights to be allied and get a bit of recognizement for deconstructing the toxic heterosexuality that has been built from centuries ago, but this… Is just cringe, when a group gets too broad then it doesn’t represent anything and anyone. These people should just create their own collective of LGBTQ allies.

  • TheRealKuni@piefed.socialEnglish
    1·
    7 天前

    IIRC I have seen versions of the initialism that include A for “Ally.” Which suits me just fine.

    Edit: I’m well aware that the first A is for Asexual. I’m not trying to co-opt anything. Explainers like this are what I’m referring to. I’m sorry if what I said was offensive.

    For those who don’t want to click the link, here’s the explanation that page gives for the initialism:

    L - Lesbian
    G - Gay
    B - Bisexual
    T - Transgender
    Q - Queer
    Q - Questioning
    I - Intersex
    P - Pansexual
    2S - Two-Spirit
    A - Asexual
    A - Allies

      • TheRealKuni@piefed.socialEnglish
        1·
        7 天前

        Please refer to my edit to my original post. I don’t want to co-opt anything. I can completely understand wanting something your own, and in no way do I want to infringe on it. I want to support in any way I can. I’m just relaying an explanation I’ve seen for expanded, extra-inclusive versions of the initialism. I’m sorry if what I said was offensive.

        • luciferofastora@feddit.orgEnglish
          2·
          6 天前

          I think the disdain is less for you specifically as for the initialism itself.

          If the point of all these various initialisms is to find a shorthand encompassing a certain family of marginalised groups, the “inclusive” version dilutes it. It’s similar to “not all men” and “all lives matter”: it doesn’t actually address the root issue, just soothe the feelings of people more concerned with how they’re perceived than how the actual victims of the given problem feel. Besides, being an ally should just be a normal thing for decent people, not worth special recognition.

          When trans-* people can get safe, effective and affordable gender-affirming care without having a dozen doctors ask several times each whether they’re really, really, really sure (and also without worrying about getting hate-crime’d), a lesbian couple in a video game no longer sparks a shitstorm, aces get a “skip sex scenes” option for popular shows and pronouns aren’t anything special any more, then we can wonder whether allies should be included. But by then, I’m not sure there’s much of a point any more: what would you even ally against?

          If you want a term that includes allies, how about “anti-bigotry alliance”?

    • Bongles@lemmy.zipEnglish
      5·
      7 天前

      I remember someone suggesting a 4 letter acronym that was more “all inclusive” so it wouldn’t require adding letters and symbols every so often. It didn’t seem to take off and I can’t remember what the 4 letters were.

      • eupraxia@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        2·
        7 天前

        GSRM maybe? stands for gender, sexual, or romantic minority. I like it more than LGBTQIA+, but its use is uncommon. But at this point “queer” as a catch-all seems to work just fine and avoids the acronym inclusivity issue.

        (notable exception being, I’m not sure if two-spirit people consider themselves queer? it is not defined in relation to colonial gender norms as “queer” is, but it is also commonly included in the acronym. anyone know?)

  • Maxxie@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    35·
    7 天前

    SLG is a good acronym for the trans exclusionary ppl tho

    (bisexuals you know we’re on the “not real queers” chopping block, probably after enbies)

    • Axolotl.cpp@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      12·
      7 天前

      I find funny (and sad) when some LGBT people exclude other queers because “they ain’t the real deal”, it’s exactly what straight and cis people mostly did for a long time and they suffered for it, yet, they act the same. I can try to understand why they do not understand other genders since it’s a actually kind of a more complex matter but sexuality is the easiest matter of all, it’s not that much different from liking a type of choccolate vs another or liking them all. :/

      • Maxxie@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        4·
        7 天前

        I think 90% of it is aging. If you just accept falling behind the bleeding edge of counter-culture and that even though you don’t understand something it can still be a net positive for some people and society at large, then most of the “We weren’t like that!” goes away.

        I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was. Now what I’m with isn’t it, and what’s it seems weird and scary to me, and it’ll happen to you, too!

        Xenogenders were the first thing like that for me. I don’t think I’ll ever get it but they seem to enjoy it so what do I know (also I respect the drip, the frog hats and all it looks sick. haven’t seen any in a while, hope the frogkins are still going strong).

        • FerretyFever0@fedia.io
          4·
          7 天前

          There’s a lot of stuff that I don’t get, I just happen to not care about what people identify as. I don’t have to understand to support the other people in the community, and I think that’s what matters. I think that older people could also do this pretty easily.

        • Zarobi@aussie.zoneEnglish
          0·
          6 天前

          I’m NB. I just want to be myself. It feels like if I choose either M or F, then there’s weird expectations and demands placed upon me. I’m not allowed to be myself anymore; half of me is restricted and prohibited.

          Imagine you’re ambidextrous, but everyone tells you to “pick a side”; you’re not allowed to use whichever hand willy-nilly. You were born with a slightly stronger right hand and generally preferred it; but you’re strangely unhappy, and choose left instead.

          Now you’re never allowed to use your right hand. You’re strangely unhappy again, but in a different way. The clothing you wear has to make it easy for people to identify which hand you’re choosing to present as. If anyone catches you wearing confusing clothing, using a mismatching hand, or (God forbid) both hands; you get weird comments about it.

          I have two perfectly good hands here; I want to use either, or both, of them whenever I feel like. I don’t understand why people make it a big deal.

          • Maxxie@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish
            2·
            6 天前

            Hey you don’t have to explain the nonbinariness to me (I am they). Even tho most of us have our own definitions, saying fu to binary choice is the one thing we can all agree on.