• rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works
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    22 days ago

    The point is that socialism cannot be achieved by electoral means. At best, if the masses in the street really pressure those in power, you get social democracy. That being said the choice for Americans was neoliberalism or fascism. The reasons for fascism winning go deeper than “the left was to whinny”, but that’s beside the point being made here.

    • PugJesus@lemmy.worldOP
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      22 days ago

      Okay, so, which is easier for socialists to organize under? Neoliberalism, or fascism?

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          21 days ago

          Apparently that very controversial position makes us shitlibs instead of people who would like to not be abducted by unmarked secret police and taken to a black site while we try to organize socialist political movements.

    • ObliviousEnlightenment@lemmy.world
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      22 days ago

      There are goals before socialism that ARE achievable electorally which are still worth pursuing in the meantime, like stalling fascists, or prevent genocide of immigrants and queer folks