Do people live without a passport? Cause I dunno, maybe it is how my family ran things in my childhood but everyone of us had a passport as a must. (I’m from a lesser known EU country)
Good luck getting one right now, they fired everyone who’s not a cop
Edit: I’ve been corrected, passports are going it seems. I wonder how visas are…
Even when they run at full capacity it takes about 30 to 90 days for the paperwork to process.
Not true, my wife and I did our paperwork a few weeks ago and they’re due to arrive this week. Granted we paid for expedited, but they’re moving along.
Incredible to think that something like 65% of Americans have NEVER left the country, not even to Canada or Mexico. More impressive, even, is that like 40% have left their home STATE.
I mean, it’s a big country. I assume “Europeans who never left Europe” would be a similar percentage. I’m saying this as someone living in the EU.
its to keep them ignorant, most of them tend to be conservatives, the only time they would leave is joining ht emilitary, that is about it. i never been to mexico, but i been to canada on both coasts different times when i was younger. was in china pre-2000.
A lot of people never leave their shithole counties
What good would it do? Unless you’re planning to overstay a tourist passport entry and become an illegal in that country?
A passport is one of the most important documents you can have. It has many uses, and is relatively easy to get… at least in my country where we have government efficiency with funding— so we get it in two weeks else it’s free.
That is not relevant to the context, but good for you.
It’s a little relevant to the context, but doesn’t really move the discussion forward- I admit.
I found some sources for you, here’s one:
“The chances of fleeing now were slim. Germany had conquered most of western Europe and its ally Italy was invading France in the south. One of the few escape routes left was the long, eastward one, through the Soviet Union by train. Transportation was costly and official hurdles endless. Travelers needed passports or substitute papers stamped with several kinds of permissions: one for exiting the Soviet Union and others for countries of transit and of final destination. What country would accept Jewish refugees?”
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/flight-and-rescue
I want you to be well prepared, friend 😊
By your own source, those seeking passage required stamps - approval - by the destination country willing to accept them during a time of war. In the context of the OP and my following statement, the assumption is the person would depart to another country without the benefit of the equivalent of “stamps”, approval, or wartime ethno-religious refugee status. Just somebody overstaying a tourist passport stay. So no, not really relevant. That said, I don’t disagree with getting a passport, it might be easier to ask forgiveness in another country should TSHTF in the US, but let’s not kid ourselves on it being a valid method of escape in the current situation.
I’m trying to show how it could be useful for you.
If you consider the risk vs reward of having a passport, it seems like a clear calculation to me. It sounds like we agree then. It’s an extra tool you can have, not the ultimate escape plan. As I say, I believe I am mentioning it for your benefit.
Do you prioritize not having illegal status in another country over your own ability to stay alive and stay safe?
They deport you. Do you have confidence in evading authorities and working menial jobs under the table for a lifetime?
That’s the point.
Or maybe a psspsspssport?
It’s only a matter of time until they stop letting us out
it is still very easy to get a passport. I helped a friend get theirs last month, and more over the years.
don’t listen to any of the ignorant comments saying it’s difficult to get one; they don’t know what they’re talking about.
you can do it online or in person at a US Post office.
fill out the application form, takes maybe 20 minutes tops, pay the fee (165$), they take your picture, you will get your passport in the mail in a couple of weeks, it lasts for 10 years, renewable on the go from embassies and consulates.
If you have any questions about passports or traveling, fire away.
A passport costs 165 dollaroos? Damn. And I thought the 70 Euro we have to pay was excessive.
Venezuelan passport is 220 USD to request it, and 80 USD to pick it. Total is 300 usd
And you can only request it on specific days according to your ID card end number. So Mondays is terminal numbers 0-1, Tuesday 2-3 and so on.
And they only process about 7000 request daily
Working hours are from 8 am to 12 pm or when the total processed is reached
And the website doesn’t work most of the time.
And that’s without going into the prerequisites
Venezuelan minimum wage is about 2 usd monthly.
Make of that what you will
All hail the glorious socialist revolution on Venezuela, it is working as intended
As a swede in france, you can add the travel cost to Paris, only the embassy there has the biometric machine to do passports…
Also the idiots in sweden thought 5 (yes five) years validity is a good thing.
yea, but $16 a year for an instant 50-90% reduced cost of living with guaranteed high-pay employment and no income tax while retaining access to consular services is a pretty good deal.
not as good as 7 bucks a year, but I’m not exactly going to quibble over the extra ten in the face of all the benefits.
What the fuck are you talking about
Dementia
Damn it! Who let the bot out?!?!
I said it’s for internal testing only.
I renewed my US passport about 6 months ago. I was eligible to renew online. Cost around $130 if I remember correctly. The online process was actually really easy and it came in the mail only a few weeks later (2-3 weeks). Highly recommend renewing online if you meet the eligibility requirements.
By the time you realize you need to have a passport, you should have already gotten one. I got my first passport in 2000. It took like a week. I lost it and had to get a new one in 2007. I got grilled by Homeland Security in a windowless office about whether or not I was familiar with the terrorist cells in the country I was vacationing in because it was a country with a significant Muslim population. I can’t imagine what it’s like now.
Sign up for some exchange program in a neutral country, buy a round-trip ticket, and just never come back.
Americans are starting to self deport to discover new worlds.
“They’re not sending their best.”
It’s your presidents words by the way.
This is not accurate. The people with the capability and can afford to leave a country is typically more educated and have a higher net worth.
During a “Brain Drain”, your country is literally get the best of the best.
“Rapists and murderers”
The USA is but its a pretty low bar. Tons of academics are leaving the country.
“Rapists and murderers”
Yeah I guess we sent those out of the 50 states: and into the District of Columbia.
I have one but it’s been very difficult for me to just sell a bunch of things and get up and go somewhere without any security when I get there.
I speak English und ich lerne ein bisschen Deutsch aber ich spreche nicht gut. I don’t think there exists a place where I knew I could prosper and not worry about being forced to leave within a year or two.
Passports only matter if you want to come back
Or if you want to enter another place.
If you just want to stay on your boat in the middle of the Atlantic, you don’t really need one.
Try and fly to another country without a passport - you wouldn’t get past security.
americans on their way to destroy another country (they already managed to destroy the one they were living in)
The ones leaving aren’t the ones that destroyed it
sure thing. “we did all we could!!! we placed an X on a ballot and that didn’t work so it’s time to run away”
It’s call Brain Drain. I left during the first Trump presidency.
