Don’t forget the sequel: “you just don’t understand the history of this
regionhouse, honestly you’re coming into this discussion way too late, the nuance of this conflict has just been going on so long it’s hard to tell who’s at fault.”What’s hilarious to me is that OP has a deliberate “this is only about one situation” and then defends how the other obvious situation isn’t that.
From a .ml user.
Curious.
Now I’m no supporter of genocide by anyone, and definitely not a Zionist, but it’s strange how when talking about Israel (by this user) there is nothing else, in fact you’ll be argued down by them if you see this comic as talking about anything but what they think.
Anyways….
This comic is about the USA.
This comic is about Canada.
This comic is about Australia.
This comic is about basically every African nation, South Africa especially.
This comic is about Russia, this comic is about the Soviet Union.
This comic is about Israel.
This comic is about a number of current conflicts.
This comic is about a number of past conflicts.
This comic is about raw Kalkite being mined from Gorman.
What does Israel have to do with this? It’s obviously a Ukraine/Russia meme. Stop trying to make everything about your pet issue.
My dude I think you’re misunderstanding me and this post, read the comments and then come back and see if you can take my meaning.
The OP is making a point of saying this isn’t about Russia/Ukraine in any way and how can we even be so dumb as to think that.
Your criticism ought to be aimed at OP, Israel IS their pet project
Yep, that’s the joke
Looks like you fell victim to Poe’s law.
You’re going to have to explain what the joke is for those of us too dumb to get it.
Their initial reply to you is sarcastic. They were agreeing with you, not arguing with you
Yeah well in my defense I’m too dumb to get that
I didn’t realize you were both sidesing the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Nor that Russia was doing settler colonialism. Very wise of you.
Are you saying that no Russians have moved to Crimea?
Nor that Russia was doing settler colonialism.
Ah. It’s just a good old annexation. That’s totally fine.
I’ll remember that when my stupid country makes an attempt to annex Canada… Which is not invading their home, because it’s not settler colonialism?
So if Putin slaughtered all Ukrainian civilians you’d not be any more upset?
To understand the terminology and why it’s important: On ‘Arab Colonialism’
…Okay.
First of, of course I would. What would make you think I wouldn’t? I’m upset with how many civilians are dying now. And I’m upset with genocides elsewhere.
Second. How does that stop this meme from applying to Russia/Ukraine?
Because third panel wants to live in their house not take over their country
Because third panel wants to live in their house not take over their country
Again. I will remember this when the US more seriously talks up ‘taking over’ Canada; but not living in their house. Not a crisis of imperialist aggression, by that argument, unless you wish to clarify?
Just like when your teacher or parent says it takes two to make a fight
“that guy called me a bitch after I shot him, now we’re even”
I suppose Russia’s invasion is definitely imperialism, but I don’t see anyone saying both sides are at fault.
Some of the nuttier members of the ML communities are definitely saying it.
On the crosspost I’m seeing a single Feddit user saying it.
Which is in line with Feddit.org which supports Israel.
supporting Israel is a sign that the platform has been taken over by Hasbara bots.
There’s a surprising amount of Hasbara bots in this thread already.
I don’t think lemmy is worthwhile botting, I think they’re severly misguided people though. Or people who read a variety of liberal/conservative media to “get a view of both sides” and ignore leftist stuff as “too extreme”.
Then you don‘t consume enough right wing media
Russia claims that their invasion is justified because ukraine supposedly massacred Russians… Ukranians who are russian according to russia…
If you were to take the middle rode somehow for some reason you would decry both sides as in the wrong
middle rode
?
Did you mean “middle of the road”?
No
Maybe you meant middle road then
Nnyo
Which might have tipped you off that this comic is not about Russia.
It is also about Russia.
Russian is trying to annex Ukraine not colonize it.
Russian apologists are hilarious!
Feel free to check with different sources if you want, but yes they ARE trying to colonize Ukraine.
https://cepa.org/article/behind-the-lines-russias-struggle-to-colonize-ukraine/
https://www.newyorker.com/news/essay/the-war-in-ukraine-is-a-colonial-war
Moscow Plans to Colonize Occupied Ukraine With 5 Million People
I suggest looking up the difference between conquering and colonizing. Russia is trying to annex Ukraine into Russia, not make it a client state.
And then look up what settler colonialism is. Because if it was that, then those Ukrainians wouldn’t be in occupied territory anymore.
How about you finish that sentence first a change?
Russia is trying to annex Ukraine into Russia-
… against the will of Ukraine.
Which means…….?
What a stupid fucking hill to die on.
Potato potato.
Couches and automans for Palestine
I think they’d prefer autobots
ottomans*
I don’t know of any cases of imperialism recently, though I see what appear to be conflicts incorrectly framed as such.
For example, many say this about the Israeli/Arab conflict. However, this conflict is thousands of years old. The Israelis solidly lost a war to keep their land in the BC era, then after WWII, leaders decided to undo the loss, again by force. Predictably, the Arabs, having lived there for thousands of years now (since they were Babylonians!) were not happy. It is not simple.
The Israeli return may have been orchestrated by the imperial powers, but I would argue this is not imperialism or even a bad thing. Consider the colonial invasion of the Americas. That was clearly imperialism because my ancestors had never lived there, and had no claim to the land. We just wanted it. At best, we thought we could make better use of it than the natives. That was not the case with Israel, whose ancestors largely were the natives.
Of course, persecuting Palestinians is wrong. Imagine if thousands of years from now, the American Indians, supported by the international community, forced Americans to adopt their customs and religion or leave. That would not be right either, even though maybe they should have their land back!
We need to share in these cases, and are unfortunately bad at sharing.
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The Israelis solidly lost a war to keep their land in the BC era, then after WWII, leaders decided to undo the loss, again by force.
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That was clearly imperialism because my ancestors had never lived there, and had no claim to the land. We just wanted it. At best, we thought we could make better use of it than the natives. That was not the case with Israel, whose ancestors largely were the natives.
Absolutely fucking unhinged.
You can’t get kicked out of a land 2000 years ago and claim you’re still the natives. Israel has 0 claim to the land aside from their religious mythos, and the “christians” are supporting this for similar reasons since their mythos suggests that the second coming is after Israel holds the land.
AT BEST this is imperialism using religion as the excuse (you know, fairly standard imperialism). But claiming it’s not imperialism is still carrying water for a genocidal ethnostate trying to handwave away the fact they’re stealing land and slaughtering natives while still trying to play the victim.
Well…good luck getting passed Abrahamic religious mythos…
ignores Ukraine
welcome to Lemmy.ml
It’s almost like Ukraine is not a house, nor is annexation settler colonialism.
Racists! /s
