Honestly, seriously. Would harm reduction have happened if Kamala was elected. Yes. Did I personally core for her? Yes.
Did this get them elected? No? Shut the fuck up and stop blaming voters because the Democrats don’t know how to do politics on purpose so they don’t lose their bribes.
Want a better analogy? There’s a bus driving for a cliff and one group votes to minimize the impact of driving off the cliff while another group says please please drive faster off the cliff and do a backflip. A third group says guys, can we perhaps maybe not drive off the cliffd? And the rest call them insane and drive off the cliff
Honestly, seriously. Would harm reduction have happened if Kamala was elected. Yes. Did I personally core for her? Yes.
Did this get them elected? No?
What’s the relevance of this inane statement, again?
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Bad ice ream is still better than driving off a cliff. You can tell me all day how bad the ice cream is and how shitty the place is because they don’t even try to make good ice cream, they don’t even try to get customers or do a good job. It’s still better than driving off a cliff. I wouldn’t blame the ice cream store for making shitty when people choose not to vote for it. They knew the alternative and still decided to leave it up to fate.
Sure, a nice ice cream shop is easier to get people to vote on, but when the alternative is going off a cliff, the ice cream is kind of a moot point. But sure, let’s blame the ice cream shop for not being attractive enough when anything but going off the cliff should be the obvious choice. Yes, the ice cream shop could have made it easier, but any sane person can see she obvious choice.
Let’s put it this way. If one side is saying they will kill everyone who isn’t straight and white, and the other side says they want to ban gay marriage. Now I think queer rights is really important but I would vote for the second to prevent the firsr. But people seem to be screaming “I’m never voting against gay rights!” Cool, so when the other guy wins and it’s way worse, at least you feel good.
I keep voting for ice cream and I get told “we can’t get ice cream because we have to vote to not go off a cliff again”
Yeah, I think not going off a cliff is pretty important though.
Right, but eventually the cliff guys win and we go off the cliff anyway, and even if they never win we don’t ever get ice cream.
The solution seems we kick them out of the car.
Interesting… but the ice cream is supporting genocide. Some would rather die than vote for that. And I guess it could be argued that at least the people dieing by going over the cliff had a chance to vote. The ones dieing from genocide didn’t.
How’d that work out?
For the people who feel that way… I would assume they sleep better at night than most of us. As far as end result, too soon to tell. But the rise of people like the NYC mayoral primary winner indicates that it might be having an impact. Even the Republicans are talking about splitting into two parties. This isn’t the way I personally would have chosen to instigate progress, but it might be happening.
Yeah, it might be too soon to tell. On one hand it’s good to tell the corporate Dems they can’t offer something slightly better than awful, but then empowering the people behind Trump seems so dangerous. People are being harmed, including new people who weren’t being harmed before. Will it be worth it? Will it work out at all? Nobody is guiding this, we’re just reacting. The right is supposed to be reacting, but they have the power.
I think best case we end up with 4 political parties. But it is really sad if the best way to get there really is all the pain and suffering that is happening now. It’s hard to say if all out civil war would be better or worse really.
Humans evolved in a space of competition with other species. That drive results in what we have now with people hatinging others because they are different. Sadly, there is no evolutionary drive to counter that. In fact, society still supports that drive by elevating those who leverage that hate for thier own profit. So I guess our best bet is for AI to take over, or aliens.
Four parties would be quite interesting. I think we’d need to do away with the first past the post voting system and have ranked choice instead.
I want to push back on your second paragraph because I don’t think it’s quite right. Humans are literally the only species where individuals will cooperate with complete strangers. Pick 5 random people from across the planet, put them in a space together, and they’ll cooperate.
But if you limit the resources like food for those 5 people, and 3 speak english, while 2 speak only languages they understand. Those 2 are dead meat. Even if it was like 3 strong guys and 2 petite women, bad things would happen after a little while, and at least 1 of the guys would end up dead. In reality, any 5 people would cooperate temporarily. But sooner or later they would split into factions. Exceptions do occur, but look at any office, school, team or band. Factions end up forming, almost always around competition, percieved or otherwise. It’s how humans get ahead. The amount of time a group can survive is mainly dependent on thier ability to exploit another group.
I really don’t think most people will just up and murder or rape someone. People are more useful alive than dead and when they’re free vs oppressed. I don’t want to be an ass but I think you watch/read too much fiction. People are better than you think.
Some would rather die than vote for that.
Cool. Unfortunately, the other option is intensified Palestinian genocide and additional genocides at home and abroad.
So it’s more “Some would rather more Palestinians die than vote”.
Since the outcome of the election was unknown at the time of the vote, no it isn’t as you say. Only after the fact can you say that not voting was a vote for trump. At the time, not voting was refusing to vote for either candidate that would continue the genocide.
