Useless. Time for the Social Democrats to form their own party.

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      Reaching obvious conclusions based on observations in reality is tankie shit, please refrain from doing so.

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    The US is an inescapable hell. I pity the people living there right now.

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    Here’s the full list of House Democrats who voted to table the impeachment articles.

    Pete Aguilar (California)
    Gabe Amo (Rhode Island)
    Jake Auchincloss (Massachusetts)
    Wesley Bell (Missouri)
    Ami Bera (California)
    Don Beyer (Virginia)
    Sanford Bishop (Georgia)
    Julia Brownley (California)
    Nikki Budzinski (Illinois)
    Janelle Bynum (Oregon)
    Salud Carbajal (California)
    Andre Carson (Indiana)
    Ed Case (Hawaii)
    Sean Casten (Illinois)
    Kathy Castor (Florida)
    Sheila Cherfilus-McCormick (Florida)
    Katherine Clark (Massachusetts)
    Emanuel Cleaver (Missouri)
    Jim Clyburn (South Carolina)
    Herb Conaway (New Jersey)
    Lou Correa (California)
    Jim Costa (California)
    Joe Courtney (Connecticut)
    Angie Craig (Minnesota)
    Jason Crow (Colorado)
    Henry Cuellar (Texas)
    Sharice Davids (Kansas)
    Don Davis (North Carolina)
    Madeleine Dean (Pennsylvania)
    Rosa DeLauro (Connecticut)
    Suzan DelBene (Washington)
    Chris Deluzio (Pennsylvania)
    Debbie Dingell (Michigan)
    Sarah Elfreth (Maryland)
    Cleo Fields (Louisiana)
    Shomari Figures (Alabama)
    Lizzie Fletcher (Texas)
    Bill Foster (Illinois)
    Lois Frankel (Florida)
    Laura Gillen (New York)
    Jared Golden (Maine)
    Dan Goldman (New York)
    Vicente Gonzalez (Texas)
    Maggie Goodlander (New Hampshire)
    Josh Gottheimer (New Jersey)
    Adam Gray (California)
    Josh Harder (California)
    Jim Himes (Connecticut)
    Steven Horsford (Nevada)
    Chrissy Houlahan (Pennsylvania)
    Steny Hoyer (Maryland)
    Val Hoyle (Oregon)
    Hakeem Jeffries (New York)
    Julie Johnson (Texas)
    Marcy Kaptur (Ohio)
    Bill Keating (Massachusetts)
    Timothy Kennedy (New York)
    Ro Khanna (California)
    Greg Landsman (Ohio)
    Rick Larsen (Washington)
    John Larson (Connecticut)
    George Latimer (New York)
    Susie Lee (Nevada)
    Mike Levin (California)
    Sam Liccardo (California)
    Ted Lieu (California)
    Zoe Lofgren (California)
    Stephen Lynch (Massachusetts)
    Seth Magaziner (Rhode Island)
    John Mannion (New York)
    Lucy McBath (Georgia)
    Sarah McBride (Delaware)
    April McClain Delaney (Maryland)
    Jennifer McClellan (Virginia)
    Betty McCollum (Minnesota)
    Kristen McDonald Rivet (Michigan)
    Morgan McGarvey (Kentucky)
    Gregory Meeks (New York)
    Grace Meng (New York)
    Kweisi Mfume (Maryland)
    Joe Morelle (New York)
    Kelly Morrison (Minnesota)
    Jared Moskowitz (Florida)
    Seth Moulton (Massachusetts)
    Frank Mrvan (Indiana)
    Richard Neal (Massachusetts)
    Joe Neguse (Colorado)
    Johnny Olszewski (Maryland)
    Frank Pallone (New Jersey)
    Jimmy Panetta (California)
    Chris Pappas (New Hampshire)
    Nancy Pelosi (California)
    Marie Gluesenkamp Perez (Washington)
    Scott Peters (California)
    Brittany Pettersen (Colorado)
    Nellie Pou (New Jersey)
    Mike Quigley (Illinois)
    Jamie Raskin (Maryland)
    Josh Riley (New York)
    Deborah Ross (North Carolina)
    Pat Ryan (New York)
    Andrea Salinas (Oregon)
    Mary Gay Scanlon (Pennsylvania)
    Brad Schneider (Illinois)
    Hillary Scholten (Michigan)
    Kim Schrier (Washington)
    Bobby Scott (Virginia)
    Terri Sewell (Alabama)
    Adam Smith (Washington)
    Eric Sorensen (Illinois)
    Darren Soto (Florida)
    Greg Stanton (Arizona)
    Haley Stevens (Michigan)
    Marilyn Strickland (Washington)
    Suhas Subramanyam (Virginia)
    Tom Suozzi (New York)
    Emilia Sykes (Ohio)
    Paul Tonko (New York)
    Ritchie Torres (New York)
    Lori Trahan (Massachusetts)
    Derek Tran (California)
    Lauren Underwood (Illinois)
    Juan Vargas (California)
    Gabe Vasquez (New Mexico)
    Marc Veasey (Texas)
    Eugene Vindman (Virginia)
    Debbie Wasserman Schultz (Florida)
    George Whitesides (California)
    
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      My representative, who is generally a pretty progressive guy, is on this list. A local journalist asked about his vote, and the statement from his office was that the congressman is waiting for a classified briefing on the Iran strikes to help determine whether the president broke the law.

      I know that we live in a world where we expect not only a 24-hour news cycle, but 24-hour resolutions to all issues. Having a solid argument and proper evidence for impeachment is the sort of thing that moves more slowly than we would like.

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      Ah, Jim Clyburn, the jackass who helped Biden win the primary and put us on the path to the second Trump term.

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        I hate that motherfucker with a seething red hot vengeful rage and I dont understand why that motherfucker keeps winding up in interviews.

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      Send messages to your member of Congress on this list. They need to hear that you’re unhappy. They were hoping this vote would go unnoticed and you need to force them to be accountable.

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    AOC might be testing the party. She should know who is going to vote for impeachment before the vote.
    Apparently there are still majority of congress critters who will ride the horse of greed right into the ground then think they can call a cab.

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      She’s certainly testing them and shining the light on them for who they are - rotten to the core.

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    Looks like there are 212 Democrat reps in the house, which puts it at a large majority which would rather “not cause a fuss” or whatever the fuck excuse they’re trying to bullshit this time.

    Useless people. Worthless people.

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        I have full faith that if the DNC had the votes to remove trump, which is 67 senators and a house majority, then they would go through with this impeachment trial.

        They have 47 Senators with caucus. This was never going to accomplish anything, and I’m glad we’re saving this for later.

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      Okay but if you don’t remove 20 Republicans then it still accomplishes nothing. 67 Senators needed to remove Trump from office.

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        … are you seriously implying that any gains the party makes are pointless if they don’t hit the 2/3rds threshold?

        I’d sit this one out if I were you, take the time to brush up on politics and critical thinking.

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          On the topic of Impeachment, yes, it means fuck all to primary these congressmen over not holding a silly ritual with no real consequences.

          Ditto for anything that requires a constitutional amendment or defeating filibuster like undoing citizens united or passing medical for all. We need to Remove the GOP, not just get better DNC.

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            “A silly ritual with no real consequences”

            … aside from

            • doing their sworn duty
            • showing the people they still care and are trying
            • paper trail of accusations, arguments, etc
            • VOTES - you get to see how everyone voted, which helps generally with ads during election time, and specifically when it comes time to hold sedition trials on all these Nazi collaborators.

            Again, you’re another person who needs some lessons on politics and procedure before commenting.

            Note: my bad, you’re still the same under educated, unqualified commenter as before.

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              • doing their sworn duty to get paid to talk a lot, pass no laws, and not remove the perpetrator
              • showing the people they still care and are trying to get paid to talk a lot, pass no laws, and not remove the perpetrator
              • paper trail of accusations, arguments, etc which exist whether or not they get paid to talk a lot, pass no laws, and not remove the perpetrator
              • VOTES - you get to see how everyone voted on whether or not to get paid to talk a lot, pass no laws, and not remove the perpetrator, which helps generally with ads during election time, and specifically when it comes time to hold sedition trials on all these Nazi collaborators after the GOP are reduced to an extreme minority of congress.
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      there are a ratchet.

      one slides smoothly towards fascism, the other one blocks and reform to fix the slide to fascism.

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      Because they’re paid for by the same people/PACS. It’s only the truly democratic ones that actually represent their constituents that make any sense to me. Oh America. I wish I could see a way out of this mess but the “Supreme” Court (C***s?) seem to be untouchable and they’re determined to help your president kill everything your country was built on. What is America without it’s constitution?!

      Good luck! From a very concerned friend in the UK.

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    I’m sure to get dumped on for saying this but ya’ll need to chill out. President’s generally have authority to carry out military strikes. I can’t think of one in my lifetime that didn’t bomb somebody without congressional approval beforehand. Declaring war is a different matter but all the differences and nuances and where exactly the lines are, is not something courts have ever really figured out.

    This impeachment resolution specifically said he declared war and he should be impeached because it’s Congress’ job to declare war. That’s the entirety of the complaint. It’s short. And it’s lazy. He didn’t declare war. He certainly risked starting a war, but he didn’t declare one. Democrats would have looked stupid for impeaching him for something he didn’t actually do and it would have failed just on the language alone. It did fail. And it should have.

    All this ‘democrats are traitors’ or ‘they’re supporting fascism’ or ‘stabbing us in the back’ is crazy. They put forth a really bad impeachment resolution and it got shot down. You should be mad at AOC and Green for putting up a horrible impeachment resolution. It probably looked better last week when it looked like a real war might happen, but I don’t see anything impeachable here. If there is something, it’s deep and nuanced, it’s something that no one has ever agreed on the interpretation of, it’s something that Congress has let Presidents get away with for decades.

    We’re not getting rid of this asshole by persuading the public that he disobeyed some highly nuanced technicality that nobody even agrees on. Shit, I’m getting sleepy just thinking about listening to a congressional hearing on it.

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      Funny how when America got bombed it was perceived as a clear declaration of war… Those double standards my guy

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        If you’re talking about American public opinion having double standards, ok. If you’re talking about me, you’re putting words in my mouth.

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          Correct me if I’m reading your post wrong, but you stated that people should chill out about this declaration of war because he didn’t actually declare a war, he just casually dropped some bombs. I understand that to mean that people should accept the irrationality because somehow the US doesn’t have a system in place to police itself. Curious how that would play out if other countries did the same. Oh no we didn’t declare war, it was this fat idiot Hirohito going rogue again, oopsie. Time for peace now, thank you for your attention to this matter.

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      I don’t get it. What’s there to chill out about? Is it fine to bomb another country just because war wasn’t officially declared?

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    Still “both sides are not the same”? Even if Democrats have slight majority in both or either houses, they still dilute policies to appease the fascists from stonewalling. Meanwhile, the fascists legislate every unspeakable evil policies and Democrats don’t even try to resist as opposition.

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    Is there a list of names? Because if any of my reps show up on this list, I will never vote for them again.

    I don’t want these fucking dinosaurs running the goddamn party anymore. I want some progressives with teeth who have the backbone to fight the fascists head on. I don’t care how petty or how low they have to get, I want to see them at least try.