My local chain grocery store has asked us, local people, multiple times to apply as we have been shopping and slightly chatting with the staff. We have applied via the chain’s systems. And yes, they expect you to send your CV and a written letter. Then you write out all the info in your CV to their forms. Then you take 5-10 videos of yourself answering their questions.
If you make through this, you get to the Second Level. There you’re supposed to attend a Teams group meeting where you “fight” with random people who are also applying for the jobs, in different locations.
If you get through this, you get to the Third Level where you will be invited to another Teams meeting with one-on-one interview. If you get through this, you might get the job.
The job search is obviously not done by the local store, it’s a “service” the chain buys from some other company. None of us have gotten through. The store seriously needs employees, they have the “search” constantly open and keep asking the locals to apply. The store has too little workers, it’s not working properly. Shelves are unstocked, fruits rotten, staff is cranky and angry. The boss complains in local newspaper that “the locals just aren’t applying for some reason!”
Can you show the boss the application process/complain yourself in the newspaper? Unless you don’t really care, because that’s kind of a hassle either way
Wait this is in Finland? At that level of dystopian I was expecting it to be in the USA… That is an insane application process for a grocery store job.
Absolutely agree. I think it would be kinda understandable for something that requires +1 university degrees and pays like +3k€ a month… But for a grocery store clerk making about 1,5k€/month? Nahh.
So either corporate doesn’t want to hire; it looks good in the financials that there’s less spend on employees. Or the 3rd party hr gets paid per person I interviewed so it’s not in their interests to actually land a person at the job - that would only stop them being able to charge for interviews for the position. Either way, it’s a massive fuck up and will destroy the company.
corporate kiss assing. since they use things to ask if you are good fit, its mostly kissing thier ass, and playing nall with thier “corporate culture”. job gap, and “what do you see your self in 5 years” probably guaging if you flake on the company as soon as you are hired.
I’m starting to think this is what’s happening to the local stores in my neighborhood that are only small but still part of a bigger franchise. They are always understaffed and looking for new staff.
i notice grocery stores burn people out so they have turn over, hence the shortstaffing. but in my area, one bougie chain pride itself on “eco friendly” just burns people out and budget cuts the deparments. recently our meat cutting/sandwich(hot food) deparment when through some cuts to the budget on an already understaff dept, and 5 people left immediately.(due to asking them do this or that more than thier role required)
I wonder if the grocery store could just hire you directly and cut out the middle man? Like just approach the boss and be like. I need a job. You need worker. Gimme a contract and I’ll start tomorrow
i wonder if its just to say they had people applying, but the company is using that to lower thier taxes with thier countries tax schemes or not hire enough to justify a budget.
Could be that or it could even be that the service went to shit and they have no way of getting out of contract. I talked to one guy who worked C-suite at a small company and apparently the previous CEO before his boss sign a shit contract back in 2018 for hiring services from one of these companies, they want to terminate it but even circumnavigation of the contract risks severe penalties, their solution to getting new staff is to literally have people spin up a shell company buy and absorb it then onboard the socalled employees.
Frankly it seems these hiring companies are just parasites that popped up due to companies not knowing how to do online shit. Then fucking everyone over via shitty contracts.
i assume you mean recruiting companies? it doesnt seem like every company uses them. or its the software license that screens out/hires applicants? seems the latter is more common.
ours use online portals(indeed, or the main website), but we also have job fairs right in the store to hire people on the spots, so that is a plus. the job fairs are rare though(i think Indeed has listing when some happens?)
I mean, it fits. Name one thing in today’s world that isn’t a modern nightmare. I guess I’m not constantly fighting off wolves, but modern wolves have your neck in their throat from the time you’re born. It’s wild to me that American kids as young as 14 fought in WW2 because they simply lied about their age. You could just do that and it’d get you through. I need 36 forms of ID and 2 written letters from close friends to get my water turned on when I move.
applying to certain programs/job (technicians) are outrageous too. i was looking at a job recently pharm related, you need to buy this course/ or go to school/ or work 500hrs(working in a pharmacy chain) to apply to take the national cert exam , and then in our state you have to get a LICENSE on top of the certification(CALI), each has its seperate cost: pre- certification course, the certification test itsef, the LICENSING, which has different areas that has its own cost(application fee, livescan, self-query fee). since its a health technician(not a tech as in programming) your wages, depending where you live could be slightly higer or higher than min wage, or at min wage(HCOL=higher wage, LCOL lower wages) for the whole BS process, oh and it takes months to process the license, and these are just HS- required jobs.
Yeah I’m glad I got called back after layoffs. Technology was supposed to make our lives easier, but all it’s done is give more hoops to jump through and more surveillance.
i find odd that the pharm job(not pharmacist) require so much invasive datamining in cali to get a stupid license for such a underpaid job, they do all the dirty work pharmacists dont do.
They can’t decide between fighting for Control, eg centralization, and having more visibility into what people are like as people.
The mine they want to avoid is the total slacker - someone just collecting paychecks, leaning back on worker protection laws, with no concern for the store. Or, the single mom with 8 other responsibilities and no chance of making it to her shifts. Really, that concern could be resolved with 5 minutes of contact with any decision maker. That quick coffee chat where they say “Yeah, you’re all right”. But decisionmakers are now the people with ultra tinted SUV windows who hiss at any contact with the public.
why use a 3rd party recruit system, if they cant find people, this would be costco level of “hiring” except minus costco is great place to work compared all other chains.
since costco is somewhat competitive, i heard its quite hard to get a job there, that isnt night time.
i heard this for certain companies like legacy techs, but not a grocery chain. Our grocery chain(WF) is so desperate they will hire almost anyone, the turnover was very high, because they decided skeleton crew some of the departments, via budget cuts, understaffing. the ones that quit were OVERworked, blamed for not doing enough by higher ups(Manager roles). front end, cs has the worst experience, followed by prepared foods.
My local chain grocery store has asked us, local people, multiple times to apply as we have been shopping and slightly chatting with the staff. We have applied via the chain’s systems. And yes, they expect you to send your CV and a written letter. Then you write out all the info in your CV to their forms. Then you take 5-10 videos of yourself answering their questions.
If you make through this, you get to the Second Level. There you’re supposed to attend a Teams group meeting where you “fight” with random people who are also applying for the jobs, in different locations.
If you get through this, you get to the Third Level where you will be invited to another Teams meeting with one-on-one interview. If you get through this, you might get the job.
The job search is obviously not done by the local store, it’s a “service” the chain buys from some other company. None of us have gotten through. The store seriously needs employees, they have the “search” constantly open and keep asking the locals to apply. The store has too little workers, it’s not working properly. Shelves are unstocked, fruits rotten, staff is cranky and angry. The boss complains in local newspaper that “the locals just aren’t applying for some reason!”
Seriously? They make you fight other people for the spot? At a grocery store? Massive red flag, right up front.
That would not only make me not work there, but also not shop there.
In a small town with only two grocery stores, and the other one being mad expensive premium one… Not much of choice.
Can you show the boss the application process/complain yourself in the newspaper? Unless you don’t really care, because that’s kind of a hassle either way
I contacted two newspapers at the time, no luck.
Solution: Misdemeanor larceny!
You know they don’t have full time LP.
WTF
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Wait this is in Finland? At that level of dystopian I was expecting it to be in the USA… That is an insane application process for a grocery store job.
Absolutely agree. I think it would be kinda understandable for something that requires +1 university degrees and pays like +3k€ a month… But for a grocery store clerk making about 1,5k€/month? Nahh.
// EDIT; Finland is the true MAGA-Fanboy of EU.
I can see it. I mean, replace the knife with a gun and this guy looks angry enough to fit right in:
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This is a wonderful encapsulation of the dysfunction of modern corporations.
So either corporate doesn’t want to hire; it looks good in the financials that there’s less spend on employees. Or the 3rd party hr gets paid per person I interviewed so it’s not in their interests to actually land a person at the job - that would only stop them being able to charge for interviews for the position. Either way, it’s a massive fuck up and will destroy the company.
The most unbelievable part of this is teams working long enough to make it happen
What the actual fuck is this?
Corporate Hunger games?
corporate kiss assing. since they use things to ask if you are good fit, its mostly kissing thier ass, and playing nall with thier “corporate culture”. job gap, and “what do you see your self in 5 years” probably guaging if you flake on the company as soon as you are hired.
I’m starting to think this is what’s happening to the local stores in my neighborhood that are only small but still part of a bigger franchise. They are always understaffed and looking for new staff.
i notice grocery stores burn people out so they have turn over, hence the shortstaffing. but in my area, one bougie chain pride itself on “eco friendly” just burns people out and budget cuts the deparments. recently our meat cutting/sandwich(hot food) deparment when through some cuts to the budget on an already understaff dept, and 5 people left immediately.(due to asking them do this or that more than thier role required)
I wonder if the grocery store could just hire you directly and cut out the middle man? Like just approach the boss and be like. I need a job. You need worker. Gimme a contract and I’ll start tomorrow
The store manager doesn’t have hiring authority, applications have to come through corporate.
Damn, that’s really lame
We have tried that, but it always comes back to the “please apply by our web portal” and then to “why don’t we get any aplications?”
i wonder if its just to say they had people applying, but the company is using that to lower thier taxes with thier countries tax schemes or not hire enough to justify a budget.
Could be that or it could even be that the service went to shit and they have no way of getting out of contract. I talked to one guy who worked C-suite at a small company and apparently the previous CEO before his boss sign a shit contract back in 2018 for hiring services from one of these companies, they want to terminate it but even circumnavigation of the contract risks severe penalties, their solution to getting new staff is to literally have people spin up a shell company buy and absorb it then onboard the socalled employees.
Frankly it seems these hiring companies are just parasites that popped up due to companies not knowing how to do online shit. Then fucking everyone over via shitty contracts.
i assume you mean recruiting companies? it doesnt seem like every company uses them. or its the software license that screens out/hires applicants? seems the latter is more common.
ours use online portals(indeed, or the main website), but we also have job fairs right in the store to hire people on the spots, so that is a plus. the job fairs are rare though(i think Indeed has listing when some happens?)
What a modern nightmare.
I mean, it fits. Name one thing in today’s world that isn’t a modern nightmare. I guess I’m not constantly fighting off wolves, but modern wolves have your neck in their throat from the time you’re born. It’s wild to me that American kids as young as 14 fought in WW2 because they simply lied about their age. You could just do that and it’d get you through. I need 36 forms of ID and 2 written letters from close friends to get my water turned on when I move.
applying to certain programs/job (technicians) are outrageous too. i was looking at a job recently pharm related, you need to buy this course/ or go to school/ or work 500hrs(working in a pharmacy chain) to apply to take the national cert exam , and then in our state you have to get a LICENSE on top of the certification(CALI), each has its seperate cost: pre- certification course, the certification test itsef, the LICENSING, which has different areas that has its own cost(application fee, livescan, self-query fee). since its a health technician(not a tech as in programming) your wages, depending where you live could be slightly higer or higher than min wage, or at min wage(HCOL=higher wage, LCOL lower wages) for the whole BS process, oh and it takes months to process the license, and these are just HS- required jobs.
Yeah I’m glad I got called back after layoffs. Technology was supposed to make our lives easier, but all it’s done is give more hoops to jump through and more surveillance.
i find odd that the pharm job(not pharmacist) require so much invasive datamining in cali to get a stupid license for such a underpaid job, they do all the dirty work pharmacists dont do.
It’s because you’re working with drugs. That being said, if they want to make sure you’re not selling them, they should really pay better.
that manager is dumber than an 8 year old.
They can’t decide between fighting for Control, eg centralization, and having more visibility into what people are like as people.
The mine they want to avoid is the total slacker - someone just collecting paychecks, leaning back on worker protection laws, with no concern for the store. Or, the single mom with 8 other responsibilities and no chance of making it to her shifts. Really, that concern could be resolved with 5 minutes of contact with any decision maker. That quick coffee chat where they say “Yeah, you’re all right”. But decisionmakers are now the people with ultra tinted SUV windows who hiss at any contact with the public.
You can’t really expect to get a good result without competition and a little vetting.
This seems like the sort of hiring process to get a bunch of people selected for just to grief the system and provide feedback, as a community.
why use a 3rd party recruit system, if they cant find people, this would be costco level of “hiring” except minus costco is great place to work compared all other chains. since costco is somewhat competitive, i heard its quite hard to get a job there, that isnt night time.
i heard this for certain companies like legacy techs, but not a grocery chain. Our grocery chain(WF) is so desperate they will hire almost anyone, the turnover was very high, because they decided skeleton crew some of the departments, via budget cuts, understaffing. the ones that quit were OVERworked, blamed for not doing enough by higher ups(Manager roles). front end, cs has the worst experience, followed by prepared foods.