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    If there’s no point in voting, what’s the point in following the law at this point? That’s the only thing holding up this system of governance, the will of the people. Should the people feel the government has become tyrannical (aka consistently ignoring the direct democratic will of the people through their votes) then it is the duty of the people to alter or abolish it. The Declaration of Independence says as much.

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        They won’t. Things will unfortunately get worse before getting better. Right now people have to much to lose. Eventually they won’t, and people will actually standup for themselves.

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      There is a clear breach of the social contract between the state and the citizens. The consent of the governed should have been withdrawn decades ago.

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    I drove past the construction site every day. They call it “The Barn” after hiring a marketing firm to come in and try to make it more appealing. It’s massive and just gets bigger and bigger. iirc they got permission to begin construction before it was approved, then the zoning drama began. There’s now a razor wire fence around the perimeter and the area is patrolled by state cops during the day. Clearly they know the situation.

    The worst thing is I constantly get targeted ads about the construction. The ads say “we’ll pay for the giant increase in energy consumption” and “it’ll help reduce costs for everyone!” which is obvious horseshit. What costs are gonna go down, how will they be reduced? Energy costs? Fuel costs? Taxes? The marketing firm knows people are stupid enough to believe anything, even sentences that don’t make any fucking sense.

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    Missouri voted no for on paying for a Kansas City sports stadium but the mayor is building it anyway.

    What’s the point in voting if they don’t care?

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    Don’t you just love it that the country that made a point of it for decades to bomb some democracy into other countries also for decades ignored the votes and voices of its own citizens?

    Anyone here old enough to remember how Gore lost even though he won, but a few people in power just decided to ignore that?

    America never was a democracy, it always only pretended to be

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      I don’t know what you mean. Wealthy companies are citizens too. Just look away and let them take priority, patriot.

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        Splitting hairs over the difference between a democracy and a democratic-republic misses the point. China, Russia, even North Korea, are all constitutional republics. Do you want to live in a country with a dictatorship like that? I don’t.

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        Please learn what words actually mean instead of just spouting off shit you’ve seen other people say.

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        That implies our elected officials represent the will of their electorate. They do not. They represent the will of their corporate owners, “campaign donors”. It is a plutocracy.

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        *sign* It was never a direct democracy. That is but one sort of democracy.

        Much like there is “water”, which as a pure chemical is H2O - but most of the water we encounter isn’t actually pure water.

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    The best defense they had for such things previously was “but it is going to create alot of jobs for locals”. Now that they want to mostly automate everything in datacenters including security and maintenance, they don’t even care to sell it like that. It is more like “we are gonna do it, talk to daddy Trump if you have issues pleb”

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    If ONLY there was SOMETHING the Residents could Do when their Voices are VIOLENTLY Ignored by Rich People and Politicians! OH WELL make sure you FOLLOW the LAW or Go To Jail POORS!

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      There’s a handful of quite genius ways to cause massive problems with minimal effort. I mean, there has to be… there always is. Like the trick to dump sugar in wet concrete, so it never sets… what are the equivalent tricks for obstructing data centers?

      Edit: cheap drone flies conductive dust to the air conditioning systems? Like powdered metal dumped somewhere very sensitive, where it can be carried to sensitive equipment by the air pumps? Or fire/smoke at the intake?

      No idea… but there’s got to be something. Water, smoke, dust, even RF noise should be able to interrupt operations to some extent if you can target the right parts.

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        cheap drone flies conductive dust to the air conditioning systems? Like powdered metal dumped somewhere very sensitive, where it can be carried to sensitive equipment by the air pumps? Or fire/smoke at the intake?

        Wouldn’t work. Dust is a major problems for data centers, and they already have pretty strict air-handling controls to prevent it.

        Your main ways of disrupting one is by taking out the power, the HVAC, or the structure. I think out of the 3, the HVAC would be the easiest to disable from the outside. That being said, datacenters are not inherently problematic, so make sure you know what you are trying to destroy before you actually destroy it.

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    Building something really expensive that the community doesn’t want is a good way to get maximally expensive arson committed against you. The bell has already been rung. The option is already on people’s minds.

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    In another context, the AI company is raping that community.

    That’s what it means to govern without consent, essentially.

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    Pass a new law. Make “it was an AI datacenter” an affirmative criminal defense against charges of arson. An affirmative defense is when you go to court and say, “yes, I did the act, but it was necessary because reason X.” “Yes, I shot and killed the guy, but I did so because he broke into my house and was trying to kill me.” That’s an affirmative defense.

    Fuck it. Ultimately the law is subordinate to the will of the people. If they’re going to just ignore the voters, the voters should make it so people can’t be prosecuted for burning down AI data centers. It just won’t be illegal.

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    Another lying headline. You all will up vote anything that makes you mad without reading it or thinking critically at all.

    • Residents didn’t vote on this, the town board did
    • The town board was sued by the developers
    • The developers were likely to win so the town settled and got some concessions from the developer
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      I mean, it’s shady for headlines, but it’s not false. The board are residents, and the did vote it down. Then they “settled” and I’m betting it was a pittance compared to the data center value. In reality, it was probably a situation where whomever was backing the data center said to throw lawyers and/or money at the problem until it went away.

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      This is literally then one case where the slowness of the courts could have worked for the people. Even if the town lost after years of litigation, so what. They would have moved it elsewhere in the meantime. But someone got bribed to drop the lawsuit.

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        It’s not free for a small town to litigate for years. The fact they settled so fast implies that the way they did it was not remotely legal. They may not have followed their own rules or state rules. Doing that is a good way to get a judge mad real fast. Judge could have put a preliminary injunction on the town to allow the construction to start while litigation proceeded. To do that the judge would have to determine that the developer was likely to succeed and that no irreparable harms would be caused. If the developers lost then they could just demo what had been built and restore the site, no harm done.

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      Yep - clickbait headline. I’d be against these as much as the next person, but the article itself said (after it’s clickbait headline) that the township settled. Lawsuits back and forth on both sides, but the township accepted a deal, so it wasn’t like everyone said “no” and then they went ahead and built anyway.