• HelloThere@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    105·
    23 days ago

    With this level of knowledge of Irish history, I can only assume that whoever made this is a proud Irish American.

    • Wrufieotnak@feddit.orgEnglish
      17·
      22 days ago

      I thought so as well at first, but the meme starts at the independence of the irish. Wasn’t it directly going Democratic? And the troubles were between 2 democratic countries. So while the meme doesn’t portray the history of the Irish and their problems, it shows the transition to a democratic system AFTER the independence was rather smooth.

    • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      22 days ago

      The way I see it, when Ireland became independent, the proportional representation was already envisioned and embedded into the new Irish constitution when other countries, at the time, were pussyfooting on doing the same thing, because their elites benefit from the two party system. Fianna Fail tried to rid of the PR with a referendum in the 1950s, but failed by a razon thin margin. Imagine if ridding PR was successful and we’d be like the US and UK in having a shitshow of politics.

      That said, many post-colonial countries either struggled or failed with upholding democracy and becoming rich, while Ireland had been relatively smooth in achieving both. The country had been lucky in that regard.

  • deegeese@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    21·
    23 days ago

    Didn’t Russia have an actual functioning but highly dysfunctional democracy for a few years until the oligarchs chose Putin as the ‘moderate’?

    • Muehe@lemmy.mlEnglish
      9·
      22 days ago

      functioning but highly dysfunctional democracy

      Haha, good one. I’ll drink to that.

  • fireweed@lemmy.worldEnglish
    18·
    22 days ago

    I feel like given what they went through, the Irish deserved an easy road to democracy.

    Although by this logic, Russia deserves Star Trek socialism by now.

  • I Cast Fist@programming.devEnglish
    15·
    22 days ago

    The more I look at it, the less I believe any country is truly democratic, since most elections are popularity contests where people with more money have a much higher chance of being elected. Any place where there are “long running families” within politics, it sure feels like just a crappy veneer of “democracy” over aristocracy.

    • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.caEnglish
      4·
      22 days ago

      USSR was arguably more democratic under Lenin (however it’s hard to say that given how they became the leaders) than some parts here but Stalin ruined it.

      The problem for the Bolsheviks that required a revolution was that systems designed by the rich are designed to keep them rich.

      A parallel today would be the US. Student debt relief? Courts strike it down. Massive bailouts for the rich? It’s their right. Running as a communist in the US, what media is going to be behind you?

  • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.worldEnglish
    10·
    22 days ago

    To be fair to Nappy III, he’s surprisingly progressive for the time. He gave plenty of worker’s rights during the time when it had to be fought from the bottom up. He was still an imperialist though.

      • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.worldEnglish
        9·
        22 days ago

        He wasn’t really but he was following his uncle’s footsteps of being an “enlightened dictator”. It was kind of about ruling with more executive power to uphold liberal values for the benefit of the people. The view on what liberalism and democracy are, at the time, is different to the modern perception.

  • tazeycrazy@feddit.ukEnglish
    7·
    21 days ago

    Ireland still had partition, the civil war, British interfranace during the catastrophe (WWII) and the troubles.

  • Gladaed@feddit.orgEnglish
    6·
    22 days ago

    Unusually frustrating pug posting as the timelines are on vastly different scales. Iirc Russia’s is like half as long.