I believe they’re referring to the fact that prisoners have been used in firefighting efforts, but they’re still subject to minimum wage and maximum hours laws when they do that work. With this amendment they could be paid nothing and thrown at fires with no rest until their bodies give out.
That would make sense. I was looking for any mention of Penal employees or prison labor of some kind, but was unable to find it. I guess I was naive for thinking they just meant free employees.
Well, the original bill itself wouldn’t have been written with this in mind, but the update was definitely written in such a way that it applies to everyone but can be used against prisoners as well.
These are the kind of activities typically covered under “outfitting” in U.S. law:
Guided hiking/backpacking tours
Guided fishing trips
Guided hunting trips
Guided horseback riding tours
Guided kayaking/canoeing/rafting trips
Guided wildlife viewing tours
Guided photography/sightseeing tours
Renting camping/backpacking gear
Renting fishing equipment
Renting hunting gear (e.g. blinds, tree stands)
Renting water sports equipment (kayaks, canoes, rafts)
Renting horses and related tack/equipment
Renting photography/optics equipment
Providing shuttle services for outdoor activities
Catering and food services for guided outdoor trips
Providing lodging and accommodation services for outdoor activities
Yeah, that all tracks with our current admin. Mildly surprised that I couldn’t catch that from reading the House Report. Damn villainous method to make slave labor legal again. Especially for a job where you risk your life consistently, like wildfire fighters.
Nowhere. Because it’s already allowed. Don’t need to make something legal that’s already legal. 14th amendment literally allows for slave labor in the case of “criminals”. Why do you think they keep trying to label everyone a criminal or terrorist?
We’ve been using slaves to fight fires for a long time.
I have read the bill from beginning to end- it’s literally just a bill to increase employment of the US Forest Service fire fighting team. It has a section that also makes it so the Secretary of Ag has the power to expedite the hiring process. The part that is concerning adds a stipulation about how they are able to exercise that power.
E.g.: “DHA expedites hiring by
removing competitive rating and ranking, preferences for
certain candidates, and requirements to consider the top three
candidates.”
I am not saying this is good legislation, I am just confused by the language, and have no idea what all this will impact.
ETA: Nvm, this legislation is fucked. It allows hiring prisoners for no pay.
Recreational outfitting? What is this? Like tour guides and park rangers?
Nvrmnd. I just looked this up, this is about using slave labor to fight wild fires and I don’t care for the idea whatsoever.
I have read the entire House Report- where are you seeing that this bill creates the ability to use slave labor on fires?
I believe they’re referring to the fact that prisoners have been used in firefighting efforts, but they’re still subject to minimum wage and maximum hours laws when they do that work. With this amendment they could be paid nothing and thrown at fires with no rest until their bodies give out.
That would make sense. I was looking for any mention of Penal employees or prison labor of some kind, but was unable to find it. I guess I was naive for thinking they just meant free employees.
Well, the original bill itself wouldn’t have been written with this in mind, but the update was definitely written in such a way that it applies to everyone but can be used against prisoners as well.
These are the kind of activities typically covered under “outfitting” in U.S. law:
So I think in addition to fighting fires, they basically want to replace the park rangers they fired with prisoners.
Yeah, that all tracks with our current admin. Mildly surprised that I couldn’t catch that from reading the House Report. Damn villainous method to make slave labor legal again. Especially for a job where you risk your life consistently, like wildfire fighters.
Nowhere. Because it’s already allowed. Don’t need to make something legal that’s already legal. 14th amendment literally allows for slave labor in the case of “criminals”. Why do you think they keep trying to label everyone a criminal or terrorist? We’ve been using slaves to fight fires for a long time.
I have read the bill from beginning to end- it’s literally just a bill to increase employment of the US Forest Service fire fighting team. It has a section that also makes it so the Secretary of Ag has the power to expedite the hiring process. The part that is concerning adds a stipulation about how they are able to exercise that power.
E.g.: “DHA expedites hiring by removing competitive rating and ranking, preferences for certain candidates, and requirements to consider the top three candidates.”
I am not saying this is good legislation, I am just confused by the language, and have no idea what all this will impact.
ETA: Nvm, this legislation is fucked. It allows hiring prisoners for no pay.
I have the exact same question