«¿Cuántas naciones ha bombardeado USA desde 2001?» (Infografía: Al Jazeera)
Who says republicans and democrats can’t agree?
Deep down, they are all american and share the same values: bomb brown people for profit.
Spoken like a true non American.
Being critical (full breadth of the word, it is not necessarily a negative thing) of your own country is a big part of what makes a patriot.
The right misunderstands this concept, and I believe it’s because their ideology largely consists of grievances they’ve been led to believe are due to the faults of everyone else, particularly those they deem lower on the ladder than themselves.
The left does not offer critique as a slight, to confuse others in an attempt to offend, and certainly does not place blame for the problems of everyone else on everyday people but instead on where it comes from, and that is those that hold the power. This is not smug, this is not evasion, this is not easy pickings. This is seeing the problem for what it is and understanding that it affects us all. This is knowing we can and absolutely need to do better, and knowing that the chance to do so is fading as we sit here numb, dumb, and blind to it.
they are all american and share the same values: bomb brown people for profit
We do not all share that value. And many of us do not want our government bombing anybody.
Then why do you keep voting for the same two parties?
We only have 2 options. Anybody that says otherwise doesn’t know how first past the post works.
Yes we know. Genocide was unavoidable and will still be unavoidable in 400 years from now. Americans can never be guilty of their crimes because they don’t have a choice but bombing people and electing pedophiles, since the two parties are led by jeffrey islanders anyway. Anybody that says otherwise is an idiot and a russian troll.
I love bipartisanship
This seems like a lot, I get it. But if you did a bar graph of US school shootings each of those years, it would seem like a lot less.
USA loves to bomb brown people. Got it 👍🏼.
should replace the “as American as apple pie” => “As American as bombing brown children”
And “as American as school shootings”.
Americans suck. Change my mind.
Yeah we’re trash, tho there’s a growing minority that also wants to end it.
Americans are amazing people, they’re just brainwashed
they and UK are largely responsible for Irans current regime too.
Yes, as we all know, the ongoing civil war in Afghanistan that Pakistan was deeply involved with was entirely peaceful before US intervention, Somalia and Syria (I note you use the anti-Assadist flag, lmao) likewise, we are definitely not present in Nigeria at request of the fucking Nigerian government, and our involvement post-2012 with Iraq was DEFINITELY not at request of the Iraqi government in dealing with fucking ISIS. Of course, I’m sure any number of people here would parrot critical support for ISIS under anti-imperialist grounds.
I also note that excluded in the graph is the assassination of Soleimani during Trump’s first term, presumably counted instead as an Iraqi strike since it was on Iraqi soil, even though it was an attack on a high-ranking Iranian military officer. I guess that would make Trump’s warmongering too apparent.
But that might contradict the “BOTHSIDES” narrative, so we can’t have any of those inconvenient facts.
Also, a FUCKTON of countries are left out of both Republican presidents’ laundry lists of bombed countries.
How curious and totally unexpected. /s
Go ahead. Tell me that supporting the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan was ‘destabilizing’ a country already in civil war. Tell me that strikes in Somalia were ‘destabilizing’ a country already in civil war. Tell me strikes in Syria were ‘destabilizing’ a country already in civil war. Hell, tell me post-2014 strikes in Yemen were ‘destabilizing’ a country in civil war. Tell me strikes in post-2012 Iraq were destabilizing a country struggling with an external invasion.
I would love to hear your justifications.
Whether you think they’re justified or not - and I would hazard ‘not’ in most cases, personally - the idea that they were ‘destabilization’ of the world is fucking nonsense, and Very Serious Leftists like you are just loathe to admit that you’re useful idiots for literal Nazis. But hey, if you useful idiots didn’t support maximizing Zionist aims, who would?
Brother I like some of your posts but looking at this graph and being like “don’t give me your bOtHsIdEs, we HAD to!” is WILD.
We had to what, go in and fix all the destabilization, all the power-vacuum issues that WE caused with our meddling since WWII?
How can you look at what we have “had” to do and not think “wow, we’re the fucking bad guys”?
We are in an abusive relationship with the rest of the world. They gave us the benefit of the doubt, especially after “the Muslims” hit us that one time, but they can see our pattern for what it really is now. It’s time to come to terms with it, before we get any deeper in the shit.
Man, I am not saying we “Had to” do any of it, as I said, whether they’re justified, I would say not in most cases. We did not have to do any of it, but I also won’t pretend that running sorties on fucking ISIS to defend Iraq is the same as invading Iran - or pulling a drone strike on Iraqi soil without Iraqi permission, for that matter.
My point is that these largely aren’t destabilization as the title suggests, and trying to pretend that they are is disingenuous at best and, considering how heavily it ignores the actual difference with Republican administrations, intentionally misleading at worst.
I wonder if US/Western interference in the region could have caused or worsened any of these civil wars…
You’re absolutely right, I can’t believe that the US forced Pakistan to found the Taliban half a decade after the end of the Afghanistan War. I can’t believe we forced Gaddafi to be a horrific dictator and serial rapist. I can’t believe we forced Somalia to go through the past what, 55 years of chaos? I can’t believe we forced Assad to inherit the ‘socialist’ state of his father, and like a good little monarchist stooge, continue his father’s repressive policies. God, it’s so terrible how the West is behind everything, working the world like a puppetmaster, except when anything improves, at which point we are curiously absent.
Or perhaps we should be blamed for arming the mujahideen - after all, it would have been much more moral if the Afghans just rolled over and let the Soviets massacre them, just like the Soviet-aligned forces massacred literal hundreds-of-thousands of unarmed civilians in the course of their occupation.
Interventionism is typically a fool’s game without winners; that doesn’t equate to any of the fucking conclusions being proposed here, except that we should be intervening a lot fucking less.
Or perhaps we should be blamed for arming the mujahideen - after all, it would have been much more moral if the Afghans just rolled over and let the Soviets massacre them, just like the Soviet-aligned forces massacred literal hundreds-of-thousands of unarmed civilians in the course of their occupation.
What do you mean “we”? Are you part of the US governement?
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Diddlin Donnie loves bombing people as much as he loves little kids.
…why nigeria?
The Nigerian government requested US assistance due to an ongoing insurgency by an ISIS-affiliated group.
I don’t think it should count against us if they asked us to bomb them maybe.
But that would also remove the initial Libya strikes, most of the Somali strikes, most of the non-Trump post-2012 Iraq strikes, and some of the Syria strikes.
And at that point, it might look like Republicans are demonstrably worse than Dems, and we can’t have that.
No no my side is better bombing people is ok when we do it
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Too close to the N word. It elicited the fascist ethnic cleansing reflex.
I like how this implies that they didn’t know Nigerians, who live in a country in the middle of Africa, were black.
Lol at least one person was offended by it.
Wew lad this is some tankie shit. The US is fucked, but this is just a lol. The US destabilized yemen 🤣
Listen, I’m no tankie but the thought that blowing up shit in a country wouldn’t destabilize that country is pretty laughable.
Considering what American became after 9/11, you’d think you’d have learned by now?
Listen, I’m no tankie but the thought that blowing up shit in a country wouldn’t destabilize that country is pretty laughable.
And if shit is already blowing up?
What is ‘destabilizing’ about supporting the Northern Alliance against the Taliban, for example? Walk me through it. I’m apparently a moron.
I guess the destabilising bit there would be supporting the Taliban in the first place.
The Taliban that fought the Mujahideen we supported in the 80s? The Taliban that wasn’t even formed until after US interest in Afghanistan was long-over? The Taliban that started a literal civil war against the Mujahideen? Those Taliban?
The Taliban was a part of the Mujahideen.
The Taliban that wasn’t even formed until after US interest in Afghanistan was long-over?
I know the US govt is incapable of thinking about the consequences of their actions, but you can try to do better.
The Taliban was a part of the Mujahideen.
Jesus fucking Christ.
The Taliban that was formed primary out of Pashtun religious students from Pakistan who were largely too young to have participated in the anti-Soviet Mujahideen? The Taliban that was formed in 1994? Half a decade after the Soviet invasion was over?
I know the US govt is incapable of thinking about the consequences of their actions, but you can try to do better.
Tell me more about how the Taliban are consequences of not being genocided by the Soviets.
Americans rarely know the history of what they’re fucking talking about, but you can do better than most of my countrymen.
Or maybe you can’t, and this is the best you’ll ever do.
Do you think the Taliban ‘fell out of a coconut tree’, as one of your politicians used to say? It is a successor to the Hezbi Islami, Haraqat Inqilab Islami and other factions of the Mujahideen. These were funded and armed by the US to destabilise the Soviets, with zero thought going into what would happen if a country’s government is weakened and religious zealots let loose with weapons and cash. (This is not to absolve Pakistan’s ISI, by the way. They wanted a weak and divided Afghanistan, and have helped various shady groups over the years.)
Don’t be ablist mate moron is a strong word. You’re just naive and brainwashed
Exhibit A as to why the term tankie is just libs complaining about how they’re also pieces of shit
I’ve seen it said that it’s sorta like the liberal version of the word “woke,” and sometimes that seems right.
Fascists hate woke, liberals hate Tankies, both hate and use both on leftists more than each other and work together.
Is that all you have, wankie?
Teaching liberals the word “tankie” was a mistake…
Could be wrong but I’m fairly certain it also applies to the previous century.
In the previous century japan and germany were strong contenders. This time around it’s neck-in-neck with israel, and russia is a distant third.
Excuse me, this is disinformation. These were humanitarian bombings. Completely different from the evil bombings of bad bad bad BAD evil countries that start with R.
Peace doesn’t make the war machine under Bush pay well. Don’t start a trillion dollar for profit military complex if you don’t want war every 20 years
