The US never was good. They never built a nation any more than the brits built australia. They colonised it.

Ah yes because white liberal democracy are actually at the forefront of progress /s

Did that occur to you that the people who fled with the occupiers might not be a representative set of the population?

Every decolonisation had their set of traitors fleeing.

Yea my french grandma told me what the GIs did to her city at “liberation”. Quit eating propaganda. You guys pillaged and plundered just as much as them.

The marshall plan was a colonisation plan and we still live under it. Belgium also spent shitload of money to “develop” congo.

Of course the US should foot the bill. In kind. They certainly shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near Iran nor anywhere else they destroyed.

And that’s also worthy for afghanistan

This ain’t highschool debate club sweetie.

The debate is weather occupying afghanistan would have been justified. You say yes, I say no. Nor was it justified to occupy western europe after the war. Or japan.

no sorry, my bad. You wanted to colonize afghanistan. I was just a few hundred miles off

Beside, you literally wish for afghanistan “multiple generations of occupation, in order to permanently impact the culture through ideological immersion” (your words). How is that not colonisation? Quit contradicting yourself

ah yes and I guess the UK colonized India to civilise them, out of sheer charity? “Open new market” = force them to use the colonizers services and industry. Quit being fucking naive. Hell the US is still forcing us to buy their shitty planes. The US killed left-wing politicians. The US empowered nazis in intelligence services so we wouldn’t grow too close to the USSR.

Of course the US should foot the bill. In kind. They certainly shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near Iran nor anywhere else they destroyed.

Don’t believe that? Look at what happened in Afghanistan following the collapse of the provisional government.

You mean the colonial government?

Cultural and ideological domination? Hardly, both nations have their own distinct cultural and ideological identities.

So did congo. I guess algeria wasn’t colonised by france because they still had “their own distinct cultural and ideological identites”?

I mean you want to colonise Iran so why on earth would I think you’re unbiased.

True, the US has deployed military bases all over the globe, but that in and of itself is not “colonisation”. These bases exist with express permission from host nations - usually as part of a mutual defence pact.

Ah yeah like egypt and the UK?

Good. Kick out the yanks

Would you describe West Germany and Japan as colonised post-WW2?

Obviously yes? They both literally have american military base on their soil to this day. They empowered fascists infiltrating security services and the governement.

What?

You think reconstruction of europe after the war was made for shit and giggles? They reconstructed europe because its good business. America made money out of the marchall plan, it’s no charity. The same ways colonisers didn’t go to africa to help poor people develop out of charity. They went there to open new markets, forcibly if needed.

The guy who destroy houses shouldn’t be the one getting contracted to reconstruct them afterward, idiot. It just gives him more incentive to destroy more houses.

Cars. I hope vroomers rots in hell

Of course. The bot and astroturfers don’t like to be exposed

Plot twist: everytime you pull the brake lever your country bombs civilians

if someone were to drive a bulldozer through your house, should they not be responsible for ensuring that the property is fully repaired and you as the homeowner made whole?

Not when that guy owns the construction company

what’s the difference? Romans stole everything from the greek anyway

My friend in beyruth got killed a few weeks before the election

Interesting that they put their data centers near civilians population. Wouldn’t that make them human shields?