The line Joe Biden used to put into nearly every big speech — “I’ve never been more optimistic about America’s future” — is a long way from what he says in private now.The line Joe Biden used to put into nearly every big speech — “I’ve never been more optimistic about America’s future” — is a long way from what he says in private now.
These days, multiple people who’ve spoken to him over the last year say, Biden often punctuates conversations with: “You think we can actually come back from this?”
The 83-year-old Biden continues to feel out a post-presidency that may prove to be one of the shortest in history and is already one of the most complicated.
There are days when Biden is heartbroken, indignant or in disbelief about what is happening as President Donald Trump — the man he defeated in 2020 — returned and moved not just to tear down his accomplishments, but to dig in with petty insults like the autopen photograph he put in Biden’s spot in the “Presidential Walk of Fame” installed at the White House.
Then why didnt he do more to prevent it?
Yes it’s definitely Biden’s fault that Americans gave the republicans the house, senate and presidency.
Dude sat on the Trump/Epstein files for 4 years and did nothing about it because it would have hurt the donor class and Israel.
Trump won on a (false) pledge to release the files.
Who deserves the blame for this situation in your mind?
Both of them
You’re correct but apparently this thread is only for hyperbole. Do not pass go, do not collect $200.
Dude sat on the Trump/Epstein files for 4 years and did nothing
This just in: investigations take longer in real life than on TV. Investigations of people with lots of lawyers take even more time and - stay with me - strategy.
Just because you didn’t see something happening, doesn’t mean it’s not happening. That’s like Object Permanence.
You’re telling me 4 years was too short a time to build a case against an insurrectionist pedophile who was referenced more than any other individual in the files?
And your chastising me for object permanence? L O fucking L
They have testimonies going back decades if they had wanted to look into it they would have by now
I guess letting Trump run out the clock on justice was the voters fault too, then, eh? Even when Biden was literally handed a way to prevent Trump from running on a silver platter by the Supreme Court that basically ruled that anything a President does is part of Presidential Duties. He and the entire apparatus around him including twerps like Merrick Garland has so many fucking options to stop this. The courts, the department of justice, the President, all of them had taken an oath to protect democracy and that oath doesn’t disappear because the voters are stupid. They all bend over like grass under a push-me-pull-you lawnmower going “oh for fucks sake” and deciding that fighting corruption was too hard and too risky for themselves personally. People whined about judges getting death threats and that’s why they were hesitant to play hardball… Are you fucking kidding me? Like they thought that would protect them or anyone else? Now fascism is boldly kicking the fucking doors in and those people and their families are in more danger than they were back then, except now the whole country is in just as much danger. They bent over because their pussy asses thought they could and should save themselves instead of fight fascism and asshats are all like “it’s the voters fault!” when Trump legally shouldn’t have been allowed to run for the Presidency at all for a litany of reasons and nobody with any real power did anything to stop it! Sure, it’s our fault, not a system that allowed it to happen, fuck me, give me a break! The people in charge abdicated their responsibility to justice and then said it’s the voters fault, get the fuck out of here.
Stop rewriting history. In a country where laws actually meant something and mattered he would have been in prison for 34 felonies and not allowed to run due to being an insurrectionist and guilty of treason for stealing and selling state secrets. How the living fuck is that the voters fault? The system failed the voters before the voters failed the system.
here’s something that still fucking rankles me:
think about all the billions of dollars, year after year, we put into the NSA, CIA, DIA, FBI, and so many other intel orgs - and what good did it do when a treasonous pedophile came knocking?
What’s the fucking point of it all if this is the outcome?
What’s the fucking point of it all if this is the outcome?
So that some people who grew up watching movies about spies get to be spies.
Exactly, what the fuck are we even paying taxes for if not to protect us from this kind of shit???
What’s the fucking point of it all if this is the outcome?
To shape a global racial hierarchy and make sure socialism doesn’t get too far
If the voters and non-voters hadn’t voted him back in the wheels of justice would probably kept turning slowly as they do.
Do you want to establish the precedence of a president demanding the DOJ arrest their opposition?
Because I’m not sure that’s a great idea.
Well, it sure seems to have worked without taking so long that the assholes who already broke the laws came back into power like in South Korea and Brazil. Those systems didn’t go “whoopsies we ran out of time, I guess they can take power again!”
A system that allows this to happen and places the blame on the voters instead of fighting for a better world is a system that was always going to end up this way.
A system that can just have the clock run out on justice is always going to be gamed like this, stop lying to yourself.
To be fair the voters and non-voters have a large share of the responsibility for this situation that’s how a democracy works.
Yes and we voted in people to represent us by upholding the law and following their oaths to office and they failed at representing our interests, upholding the law, and following their oaths miserably.
We voted in Trump and his gang with majorities in the house and senate.
Every one of your comments is beyond ridiculous. I think you’re just here to troll.
Do you not think that voters and non-voters have a large role in how a democracy plays out?
Merrick Fucking Garland was a poor choice in the first place, a sop to ‘the other side’ and he performed exactly as expected.
Bernie Sanders would have won against Trump all three races, if we just had to have an old white guy.
Biden was earnest, but he did not, and does not have the balls required in these modern times
Can we come back from this?
What a joke. Biden himself had the opportunity and the authority to start that process, and his entire administration farted around for three full years.
You are so fucking ignorant if you think the wheels of justice were slowly turning.
Actually, I do blame him for overestimating his health, and thinking he had enough in the tank for another run. He clearly did not.
Would Harris have still been the nominee had there been an actual primary? Maybe, maybe not. But whoever won that would have been a better candidate.
I was extremely pissed off after watching that debate. The man I saw that night simply didn’t have it anymore, and it was more than just jetlag or a cold. There was nobody close to Biden who could have sat down with him before the election and told him directly that he didn’t have it anymore?
We talk about how Trump surrounds himself with yes-men and sycophants. I think Biden didn’t do much better.
His health was plain as day before he was elected, but liberals kept insisting it was only a stutter. They buried their heads in the sand so they could be the oppressors of the working class again.
He still speaks better than Trump. He is more cognitively in tact and shows better judgement as well. Always has.
He still speaks better than Trump. He is more cognitively in tact and shows better judgement as well.
No. He doesnt. You can stop lying about how feeble Biden is. Trump may be flatly and criminally insane but he can talk/ramble like a two year old. Biden cant. Thats just a simple fact, and your denying reality about Biden still highlights a huge problem on both sides. There just is no objective reality anymore. People like yourself want to claim self serving bullshit is real. We need to bring truth back.
Nope.
People that support trump think the same about him. You are blinded by the D in front of his name
I couldn’t give a fuck about party
Although somehow, Trump being just as mentally incompetent, wasn’t an issue. He may be a couple years younger but he is in no objectively measured way more competent. The GOP could run a sewer rat and leftists would still complain that the human Democrat was more of a problem. No, Biden, there isn’t a way back. America is hooped.
We were not the ones that chose to overlook his mental decline, the fact his campaign was tanking, and his racist past. That wound of Biden was self inflicted. There was a candidate that several leftists compromised with, but not having the balls to do what’s right, liberals selected the candidate that the party chose for them
Biden was one of the best presidents in my lifetime and he would have been for a second run too.
Being a white male he probably could have pulled off the win again too.
Not after that debate. If he had stayed in, all Trump would have had to do was play clips from it.
I do think that he was a very good President. His entire legacy is tarnished by holding on too long. If this is it for America, historians will write volumes on how Fascist America was enabled by people like him (and RBG) holding on to power past their “best by” dates.
Trump sounds the exact same but he won so I don’t think you’re right.
Both Biden and RBG trashed their legacies by failing to step aside
Bro. It took Biden until October '24 to even realize that half of america lives pay check to pay check and is struggling to buy fucking food and housing.
Biden was not a good president. he just wasn’t as bad as some of the others, and that’s an incredibly low bar.
Also, good presidents lock up pedophiles.
one of the reasons Kamala had such a hard time was that she wasn’t coming in on a fresh campaign, but rather trying to clean up and fix the mess Biden handed her. (there’s other reasons like not distancing herself from biden on certain issues, too. And racism. racism and mysogeny probably didn’t help, but that was surmountable.)
You’ll notice all these comments are basically a criticism for Biden not being the superhero they wish for…
None speak to anything the admin did or what actually happened during his four years vs the four prior or after…
100% a troll.
Nah, just the resident blue MAGA, spinning the same yarn as always.
So. like. the too-long-didn’t-care is treating responsibility for things like it’s zero sum game is stupid. Absolutely… incomprehensibly stupid.
Biden is absolutely repsonsible for having not done everything in his power as POTUS to put trump in jail.
and lets not forget… for the first half of Biden’s presidency, he had both the house and the senate- not by supermajority levels, no. but they had control and they pissed it away with compromise.
And if you’re going to give Biden credit for the Build Back Better bill and the other one… which I’m sure you do… then Biden can also take credit for that. (especially the decision to not pack the courts, or break the filibuster.)
His arrogant hubris and the DNC not forcing him out gave us Trump, again.
I’m interpreting the way you’re saying it as being a sarcastic joke but him being the POTUS made him the de facto leader of the Democratic party, who in turn failed to influence the majority of Americans to vote for them. It’s been coming out recently that the party’s own investigation into their 2024 loss revealed that the policy around Gaza played a significant role in their defeat, policy that self-proclaimed zionist President Biden had the power to influence and ultimately supported.
So yeah… It kinda is his fault.
He’s not blameless
Finally, you get it.
Yes it’s definitely not the people who voted for Trump or that decided not to vote at all.
You gave them the option between genocide and genocide. We told you that this would lose the election for the Democrats. You got the outcome you advocated for.
God that argument is so disengenuous. It basically comes to “cater to us a vocal minority or we won’t play.”
You leftists scream about the genocide but what exactly did you accomish? Smugness? Superiority? I haven’t heard a single leftist give a shit about South Sudan or Myanmar. Leftists are quiet when it comes to Ukraine. But you’re incredibly loud about Gaza… you know, the crater where a people used to live because the crap candidate didn’t capitulate to your demands.
Well now everything is fucked, the US has zero creditability, our allies hate us, ICE is officially the Gestapo, and concentration camps are being built.
But hey. Continue the tired ass line about “well we should have had a candidate who was against the genocide.”
Fun fact. Historically, when fascists take control, the first ones they try to stamp out is leftists.
But at least you can sleep at night now knowing that because you didn’t vote for genocide, you now allowed one to be completed with impunity.
Well done tankies.
Edit: Joe Biden was a fucking pussy who didn’t do what needed to be done.
You leftists scream about the genocide but what exactly did you accomish?
What did you reactionary centrists accomplish? You handed us Trump. We gave you the path to winning and you chose not to take it. Its on you.
Well now everything is fucked, the US has zero creditability, our allies hate us, ICE is officially the Gestapo, and concentration camps are being built.
Yeah, your fucking fault dude.
But hey. Continue the tired ass line about “well we should have had a candidate who was against the genocide.”
You couldn’t win the election otherwise. Did you actually want to win the election or not? Because it follows that if you defended the candidate while they held an unelectable policy position, you were doing the work to get Trump elected.
Leftists rarely show up anyways. But hey. Continue to shift the blame. Whining and doing nothing is what you do best.
For being a minority we seem to hold all the power
Schrödinger’s anti-genocide vote. Simultaneously able to have determined the outcome of an entire election, but also not important enough of a coalition to address their concerns and bring them (back) into the tent.
Glad you think a slide into fascism is a joke.
If this was any normal election, then I would have supported the protest voters.
The problem was that it wasn’t. Trump is trying to ethnically cleanse Latinos out of America. I knew this was going to happen and I wanted to avoid it.
Immigrants were pleading with protest voters during the election. There are Latinos who protested with them from the beginning that have now gone into hiding. I talked to an immigrant that was begging leftists to care, and they accused them of being for genocide just for wanting their family to survive.
It’s not that I hate leftism. But a lot of leftists are unsafe for POC and women. They are privileged enough to prioritize ideals over safety. I only trust leftists that are intersectional, not those who champion some mythical homogeneous global working class.
This guy gets it. And I’m still waiting for a leftist to acknowledge South Sudan.
You’re heads in the sand thinking this is a minority extremist position. The people advocating for this saw where the winds were blowing and your ego still can’t acknowledge it.
I’m sure they appreciate the change in sympathies from the world.
Oh wait.
Genocides are horrible things that should never happen but too many people are using the word as critical-thought terminating cliches.
It’s like trying to talk to an anti-abortionist and the only thing they can do is call you a baby killer.
You have to decide if you wanted to win the election or not, and its never been clear to me that you ever actually wanted to win. What its always appeared to be, is that you wanted to mantain ideological control of the party (which you did do, and have continued to: the party is still pro-genocide).
But what is clear, is that the party could not win with the general election with a Democratic candidate supporting a genocide.
How many house and senate democrats support Israel and how many don’t?
The USA is a democracy; every one of us is responsible individually for what we do with our votes.
You, I infer, decided that the best thing to do with your vote was endorse the rapist who promised to do absolutely nothing to stop the genocide in Gaza over the candidate who at the least would have protested.
Which sure as fuck was your right, but it’s kinda weird that you’re trying to argue that this isn’t exactly what you voted for.
In a single-ballot plurality-wins-all election anything but a vote for the runner up is an endorsement of the eventual winner.
But the system we vote for isn’t responsible for enforcing laws like… *checks notes… putting 34 time felons in prison, preventing insurrectionists for running for office, and letting people who commit treason of stealing and selling state secrets to the highest bidder run for office? It’s all our fault huh? The system didn’t fail us first, huh?
You’re trying to place blame on an individual instead of a party that encourages policies that creates voter disenfranchisement.
Why is critical analysis attacked?
You’re trying to place blame on an individual instead of a party that encourages policies that creates voter disenfranchisement.
No. I’m recognizing the actual system we have pointing out that anti-genocide non-voters made a deliberate choice.
This isn’t a disenfeanchisement issue so much as it is a disengagement problem. There citizens had the sane franchise as everyone else, and chose not to go vote against a rapist.
There’s plenty of blame to slap on the Democratic party from the former president and candidate all the way down. But Biden not standing by his purported morals and Harris not breaking with him when he didnt compel non-voters not to cast a vote. They’re adults and citizens and should either stand by their choice and argure that it was correct or else concede that they made a mistake and would change it if they could
Single issue voters are one of the biggest problems with US politics. They’re willing to ignore everything else about reality. Doesn’t matter if it’s Genocide, LGBTQ issues, or Abortion, it’s the same outcome.
The worst option overall becomes the most likely.
You don’t control the electorate. You don’t have to like the way people are to recognize that they are in-fact that way. Stop confusing how you want the world to be with how the world is.
Candidates can either address the issues of those single issue voters or they lose the election.
Crickets regarding South Sudan and Ukraine…
We told you that this would…
Who’s “we”?
gestures vaguely at all the independent media coverage from 2023-2024
So you didn’t vote for Harris and you’re part of the Independent media?
Here it is. Not pretending that this is about anything beyond your ability to claim the high ground. How has that worked out for Gaza?
Tankies cry about Gaza but don’t give a shit about Ukraine, South Sudan, or Myanmar. That lack of discussion there not only undermines their creditability, but it makes them look as antisemitic as MAGA.
It was your party
Democrats could have met the moment and parroted popular leftist policies like taxing the billionaires, ending the Palestinian genocide, installing universal healthcare, etc.
Instead they dug themselves a hole with idpol and chasing the Right
He wanted to have his genocide and give Israel everything he could, and as soon as he was gone Bibi shit on him and said he did very little. Fuck Biden.
Then why didnt he do
moreanything to prevent it?ftfy.
Why hasn’t anyone in your country done anything to prevent it?
Supreme Court gave him immunity and he didn’t save democracy with it crazy work
No. You need to read that SCOTUS decision. The Supreme Court retained the authority to decide which actions are official acts due immunity and which are not. Therefore, had Biden attempted to use that immunity in the way you suggest, this biased SCOTUS would simply have ruled his actions unofficial and therefore not immune from prosecution.
I did in fact read it. I did in fact read the dissenting opinions. I did in fact listen to the case as it was being presented including all the theoreticals posed.
Biden could have him killed or pushed out of a c130 somewhere over the pacific and then scotus would step in after the fact. It was literally one of the dissenting opinion points about just how far this could be abused before it’s reigned in.
T hasn’t even begun to test the limits to the powers he was given, and Biden just like so many other things, fecklessly dismissed.
You really think SCOTUS would have given Biden a fair shot? After blocking Biden’s student loan forgiveness EOs but giving Trump near full immunity. It’s clear they would have skewered Biden first chance. Hell, House Republicans brought in Hillary for private Epstein testimony, leaked it against the rules they’d agreed to, then proceeded to ask her about UFOs and Pizzagate. There is no symmetry to their rule making and rule breaking.
This is the circumstance you decry Biden for not extrajudicially murdering his fascist opponents when he supposedly had the chance.
The point is that it wouldn’t matter because the issues could be solved before the court cases matter. He was the one everyone was told would be able to fix things “because he’s been in politics longer than most people have been alive, he knows all the levers to pull to get results”.
He should have been able to recognize and ignore the asymmetric shit going on just as trump does, and actually work to reset things. Instead he sat around and did fuck all that will last longer than his lifetime.
Which is why he should’ve started running the Project 2025 playbook and either forced the Republicans to pass laws against his acts or had SCOTUS invalidate them. Now that Trump is in office he could create a Medicare-for-all solution called Trumpcare and the GOP loyalists would be gobbling his knob like it was the only way to get Raptured.
Fuck you Joe, you slow walked us into this by not prosecuting Trump in the name of “bipartisanship!” If you had done your job we might not be in this mess. Democrats are weak and feckless.
And supporting genocide and AIPAC
Yup, anyone who doesn’t know what AIPAC is doesn’t understand this has been building up for decades.
If the establishment democrats will get the fuck out of the way and stop letting corporations run the country, then yes, we can come back from this. Listen to progressives like AOC and Mamdani, stop blocking them.
I can’t hear you with all this AIPAC money 💸
I see a lot of BoTh SiDeS sAmE doom posting but I’m pretty sure Biden didnt cause trump to be a pedophile.
I guess he forgot his FIFTY YEARS in politics and has NOW decided things have gone too far.
No, Joe, we can’t come back from 50 years of people like you and worse, you HACK
Yeah, this. A half century of playing power games at the expense of the people. Not just him, but all the dems as they’ve slid further right. Too many of them content to play power games at the expense of the country, letting us argue over pronouns, bathrooms, and crosswalks while they quietly take a knee and kiss the ring for their corporate benefactors. Utter failure to shore up protections against trump even after it was painfully obvious that people like him were going to get elected.
Yeah, Joe did do some decent things, same as Obama, but both of them were the failed barriers that allowed the Right to be the fascists they are now, particularly by letting McConnel and the republicans to prevent nominations to the Supreme Court, essentially capturing the judicial branch and taking trump’s leash off.
It seems to me that most people have been deceived to think that Trump is the problem. Meanwhile, if Trump dies tomorrow, the real problem will remain.
Trump being ELECTABLE is the problem. Super PACs are what made Trump electable. When he is gone, those “donators” will immediately do the exact same thing with someone else, and it will work.
Because when you make bribery legal, those who accept the most bribes win. They can find another celebrity to fill his role just as easily. He’s not magical. He’s not even clever. Who next? That Hercules dimwit? I forget his name, fuck that guy.
Unfortunately, we the people can’t donate enough to keep up with billionaires and corporations and even foreign interests like Saudi Arabia and Israel; whoever wins an election is beholden to them before they ever take office.
How do we get representatives to stop taking bribes and profiteering? “You and your entire family can be millionaires” vs. “Do the right thing” isn’t ever going to work.
See Citizens United, Super PACs, Heritage Foundation, and the Council on Foreign Relations for further details.
You mean it’s been a class war this whole time? 0.o
Rhetoric aside, it is all really quite painful to take in. The contradictions are even more in plain sight than they’ve ever been before. Hard to believe anyone can ignore the flames erupting on all sides. luckily there’s nothing more dangerous than a cornered jackal. The soul of the masses seem to be more and more in unison and sync. Do you believe the people can organize and act? I have doubts, but also aren’t we almost beyond any influence of skepticism in this era of desperation?
The people always act, governments are mortal, too, and it’s the people who kill them.
Organizing? I don’t think that’s a large-scale viable option any longer, due to the Patriot Act and tech. Almost all means of communication have vulnerabilities that are easily exploited; no big group can organize and communicate without a US agent present (or even organizing, sometimes).
I’m not saying to not organize, I just think that the action will be spontaneous and situational. Organized groups are just one more means of steady pressure (of many), but realize the limitations.
If ONLY he had been president and could’ve DONE something about Trump! Like arrest him for that coup attempt against… Whomever was elected… Or ANYTHING!
Maybe he just needed a nudge in the right direction, like a Supreme Court ruling that presidents were invulnerable.
Joe Biden and the Democratic Party leadership are part-and-parcel to this. The downfall of Iran has been continuous American policy for over 40 years, and the party has acts as a honeypot to capture and neutralize progressive policies and politicians, and stop the Overthrow Window from moving leftward. No more opposition to war, no more economic populism, no more social safety net. All they do is run “block tackle” for neoconservatives. The uniparty could not be more obvious right now.
To some degree, we shouldn’t come back from this. We now know the corruption in the government runs deep. Go back to our politicians being possibly blackmailed by the Mossad? Would it be better if nothing happened on the surface but still no one truly believed the baby eating cabal of elites existed?
I don’t want suffering. I wish this could have been avoided. But we cannot ignore the existential threat the elites have thrust upon us.
Mush for brains Biden isnt asking anything. He helped get us in the situation we are currently in, this is what Democrats always do, help make a mess then ask ‘how did this happen?’
“No. And it’s all your fault.”
Former President Biden’s biggest mistake, allowing the MAGA fucknuts to maneuver unhindered toward the current fucked-up mess.
It wasn’t him running for a second term when his cognitive decline had been bad enough to say he finally beat Medicare?
He’s not wrong, but he’s also partly to blame for this. He did nothing to quell the fissures forming between the two sides. He didn’t drop out of the 2024 race like he said he would until it was too late. His stutter and old age contributed greatly to looking weak. His communication of his policies was abysmal. His stance on the Israeli genocide was terrible. He was weak. It took Trump all of a month to destroy everything Biden spent four years building.
He’ll be the last liberal I ever vote for. I’d rather sink the ship than have another Liberal as president.
I’ll be voting for the next democrat whether they are a liberal or progressive.
Accelerationism is never the answer it costs way too many lives.
I’m generally with you, but consider fig 1:
I hate that meme is simplifies a complex situation to the point of adding nothing to the conversation.
Bruh you are literally arguing with like, THE ratchet.
SatansMaggotyCumFart is a fascist and pro-genocide. All that matters to them is that they mantain ideological control of the party.
They haven’t chosen the next democrat yet. Now is the time to be screaming that no one wants another corporate democrat, but we sure would love someone to come in and clean house and support working people.
How that’s incrementalism working out for you? You’ve gone from the party of someone building houses for the needy to someone denying a genocide and telling protesters to shut up. We told the DNC what it would take to earn our vote and their solution was ‘Im speaking’
And I respect your opinion, but I’m sick of the status quo of liberals capitulating and giving the elites and Zionists everything they want. I’m sick of this lie I’ve been living my entire life.
hes the best president of my lifetime and what came out of his administration given the situation in just one term was amazing. I see so much finger pointing. He did not drop off early enough, no kamal did not run a good campaign. He did not single handedly override congress in a trumplike manner to stop isreal. I blame the folks who voted for trump or did not vote to allow his victory pure and simple. Its always easier to destroy than fix or build and its that much easier when you ignore the law. I don’t want any democrat to be a trumplike badguy criminal but for us good people and good reasons. That type of figure will destroy us as much as trump does.
Fair enough, but I don’t think this is the way forward for Democrats and if it’s what they choose they’ll be leaving folks like me behind. They had better hope there aren’t many folks like me.
Well its the primaries now and this is the chance to get the most progressive democrats in the competition. You can only effect your representatives but that is how representative democracies work. It kinda sucks for me because we have a contested senate seat and one I definately don’t like who is in the lead and one I do who is doing the worst in polls but there is another canidate who is better than the front runner and close to him in polls but I would prefer the other lady. Anyway I now have the choice of voting for who I want 100% or voting in the hopes of keeping the more blah canidate from being the democratic canidate. So its a lot like a general election choice. Let me put it this way. The front runner now has ads claiming he is looking to abolish ice but I can 100% say he was not doing that even as of two weeks ago but the opponent who is catching up to him was admant about that very early on (which is definately a point in her favor but she is still kinda establishment and I would prefer the other). This is for the illnois senate seat so Krishnamoorthi, Stratton, or Kelly. Basically I like kelly but would rather have stratton over kishna*. What do you think as someone ready to jump ship. Would you be happy if I voted for kelly and krishna* won? Would you want me to vote stratton even though kelly is a possibility. I mean maybe you would prefer one of the others over my placement but I assume progressives would also prefer kelly. What will make you happier with the democrats and remember its not a guarantee. Tell me as a progressive you like stratton over kelly and it will make it easy for me.
I’m no longer concerned with winning. I’m more concerned with keeping my personal morals intact in this world of snakes and demons. If a candidate fits my criteria I’ll vote for them, if they don’t I won’t. If that leads to a fascist takeover and the end to our way of life, so be it. I’ll be at peace with myself which is now my top priority. I’m not scared of death or the end of the world. I’m scared of compromising myself.
Its funny because this is how I said people should be and intended myself but this is not about winning in the general. Which is what I was thinking about when I have said as much as you have here. Its about a centerist (and heck im a centerist) type democrat being the democrat on the ticket (and someone who I feel talks one way and does another) vs someone who seems a bit better all so I can gamble that the best one wins. I mean im sure krishna will be getting certain types to be talking about how bad the democrats are but maybe not with stratton so much. Then again stratton has been leuitant govenor and does not have a federal voting record to scrutinize. She might just be better at appearing better all said and done. She has been pushing to abolish ice but again from a state elected position that can’t really do anything but call for it. Kelly is to me the best canidate and the most progressive but voting for her could hand it to krishna*. This is what democracy is and at the end of the day we actually have to live with the results of these elections. Now krishna* is still light years better than the best republican and 100% I will vote for hime in the general if he wins but I have to decide to gamble with kelly or mitigate with stratton. Heck the only reason I can be so unsure is because krishna* is not as bad as a republican so I can contemplate voting for kelly and we still have the general. If this was the general I would 100% vote for stratton because I could not take the risk. Again we have to live with our decisions. I sometimes feel folks just can’t stand the responsibility of being in a democracy so want to take the high ground and claim our end situation is then other peoples fault because they took the high ground. (holy trump I have been using the star character and did not realize it would trigger markup type stuff)
I get where you’re coming from, but I’d still vote for my personal best candidate regardless of their viability. I feel like being against the elites and Zionists isn’t that much of an ask from a candidate. I’m just tired of the liberal Democrats saying one thing and doing another. They’ve been doing that to me my whole life. I have to set up some guardrails or I’ll lose myself.
yeah and kelly who I like and just compare krishna to her voting as they were both in the house. well both had to not run for the dem spot on their house seats so if they lose they will be out. That means if kelly does not win the senate then we will lose a nice progressive democrat from the federal legislature. sttraton again is state so its not as big a loss. krishna having someone else in his house seat might very well be a good thing as long as its a democrat. Ill tell you I am very divided. This has been one of the hardest decisions I have had in an election and its a primary. Honestly im not going to vote based on folks who I have no idea who they are on the internet. I have local folks to talk this stuff around with but I just wanted to express how complicated a democratic system is as well as the responsiblity of voting not just to you but whoever other actual human being us people are out there. I have a feeling many don’t vote in primaries and don’t really reflect on the decisions but will monday morning quarterback the trump out of the election later. Im not saying you do that im just expressing some frustration I have with the average american and lets face it those who bother to vote are the best of us. Man Im still so jelly because of the write in guy who is not in my district who I wish I could vote for.
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