If genocide isn’t a red line then there are no red lines, every lib that voted for blue no matter who should be in the Hague along with the rest of the murderers
Man… how many bricks to the side of y’all’s head do we have to take to get you to understand that a) an election isn’t about individual choice, and b) telling people what to do with their votes is counter productive.
If you were doing in 2023/24 what you are doing now, with that comment: You’re why fascism won.
You aren’t part of the collective that got it right. You’re being the shit lib who handed the world to the fascists.
Saying something over and over doesn’t mean its true.
That said, I hate both the DNC and the non-voters. I can do both. If free will exists, then I can blame both. (I mean I don’t believe in free will, but on an emotional level fuck both anyway, I don’t owe either of them shit.)
I voted for them for tactical purposes. Both because at the time I cared about the well being of my fellow human beings and I care about my own well being. These days I’m not so sure I care about humans or even myself. I’m still grappling with the point of it all now that we’re doomed.
I understand that tactics aren’t likely your strong suit, so let me make it clear: I do not have to love the democrats as a party to vote for them. I just have to have a basic grip on reality that it was either them or fascism. Because its first past the post we are dealing with.
There are many ways to interpret this response. Some are reasonable (HRC did pied piper because she thought it’d help her win) and some are unhinged and stupid (Liberals are fascists).
My tactics were to vote in primaries (when they were available…) for progressive dems. I voted for Bernie Sander’s twice. But then I voted HRC and Biden, and Harris when they were the liberal slop candidates that we got. Because the alternative was helping a fascist win.
My tactics were to canvass, advocate, donate time and money to progressive causes. And when the progressives did not fucking win the primaries, I gritted my teeth and did the same for the centrist dems.
And you know what, sure. Those tactics failed, because US citizens on average are completely selfish and stupid pieces of shit. I don’t owe your glorious revolution my life. I did not choose to be here in this hellscape, that your own advocacy helped create.
So you did what they wanted you to do, vote for the sheepdog in the primary to give you the illusion of choice and progress, they push the sheepdog aside and you are forced to vote for the candidate they wanted you to vote for from the beginning.
The only failed tactic is liberals using the same failed ones over and over, thinking this time has got to be different.
Saying something over and over doesn’t mean its true.
Denying reality over and over again doesn’t make you right and the perspective you are espousing was the dominant narrative up until the elective. That individually voters just needed to “do better”. You want to blame voters; you need them to win elections. Explain to me how you plan on getting back the 6% of Democratic voters you lost using your approach? You blamed them for failure before the contest was even run and they didn’t show up for you. Now what? How does your analysis change their minds into showing up?
What you are doing is the same thing petroleum companies did around recycling in the 90s. By believing this is some negotiation of individual choice, you are obscuring the fact that the Democrats structurally undermined their own ability to stop fascism. Blaming the individual is why fascism won.
You want to blame voters; you need them to win elections. Explain to me how you plan on getting back the 6% of Democratic voters you lost using your approach?
I don’t need to win shit anymore. I don’t care, its obviously a fool’s errand to give a shit. The 2024 US election taught me that. All worrying about politics does is hurt me and waste my time with fools.
You blamed them for failure before the contest was even run and they didn’t show up for you. Now what? How does your analysis change their minds into showing up?
All that’s left is rot, so I’m going to pick through the garbage and hope to find some gems before we all drown in shit. My analysis is just based on brutal reality. They did not show up “for themselves” as well. Its not just me they’ve hurt. Leopards are eating faces, and not all the owners of those faces are “shitlibs” and MAGA, some of them are protestors who didn’t vote.
There is no means for me to change people’s minds on voting so you don’t need worry about me trying. I just want people to understand that the very virtue obsessed moral framework they are using to make their decision to not vote has hurt them. Its doomed them. I want them to feel bad about it because in so far that someone can deserve to feel bad about it, they definitely should.
What you are doing is the same thing petroleum companies did around recycling in the 90s. By believing this is some negotiation of individual choice, you are obscuring the fact that the Democrats structurally undermined their own ability to stop fascism. Blaming the individual is why fascism won.
No its not. In a purely rational sense, I don’t really blame anyone. Free will doesn’t actually exist.
But within the context of people I can like, dislike, or hate as the emotional creature that I am: I definitely can fucking loathe multiple groups at the same time and feel catharsis at their suffering.
I think you are still operating under the delusion that this second Trump term is something we will escape from, but the thing is, bad times don’t create good times. They create more bad times. We are in the gravity well of a metaphorical political and environmental black hole, and you are in denial.
The dems will win in 2028, and it wont matter much, other than we’ll get some sweet painkillers as we pass into oblivion. Because the GOP will win in 2032. Or society will completely collapse. Or the globe will roast all of our food and we’ll all starve. There are not much in the way of good things to look forward to.
They wouldn’t be starving if the US stayed out of their politics. The US creates the circumstances to destabilize their economies, overthrow their governments then come in with USAID to assist as if they didn’t cause the problem.
OK, even if I agreed with you fully, this doesn’t really refute the fact that USAID being obliterated is still causing unnecessary harm that could have been avoided had Harris won.
Dems had 50 years and multiple opportunities to protect women’s rights and did nothing but raise money off that fear.
Yeah I hate the dems too.
The first 2 months of Bidens was in Gaza released the equivalent of 275k tons of burning coal, not so concerned about the environmental pact of that.
I promise you that the environmental impact of Gaza being turned into glass is dwarfed by the invasion of Ukraine and like, everything else going on globally. You live in a stupid bubble where everything bad that exists is because of zionism and Israel and their genocide of Palestinians. If cared enough I’d bet money.
And every non-voter who’s “high road” they dichtomously make fun of Obama for has allowed more genocide is what, better? The choices were some genocide or more genocide, avoiding the choice is just a choice for more genocide. Trolley on way to kill 5 people do you pull the lever to kill 1 or don’t pull the lever and let it kill 5. Unsurprising that people will blame you for not pulling the lever and you’re upset that people did try and pull the lever.
Yeah, fuck me for thinking vote for the lesser evil and work towards better rather than let the greater evil win and then??? How dare I desire not to worry about gestapo throwing me in a hole for my skin color while I fight for better. Instead of fighting for better im just fighting to survive. Fucks sake.
Yeah, fuck me for thinking vote for the lesser evil and work towards better
Yeah. Fuck you for that. Thinking like that blew the fucking election and handed the country to fascists. Thats what we’re saying. Accepting or advocating for lesser evil loses elections time and again. If you were advocating for that approach in 2023/4, the fascism is on you.
Its the entire point we’ve been making since 2023.
Reminder that there are more then two choices on every ballot in every county. If you don’t bother using them because you really think “your team” should win, then you don’t really have any business participating in democracy.
Sure, that sounds good to say in theory, but I’m sure you’re aware that a First Past the Post voting system kinda makes a third party effectively a wasted vote. Normally I’d support a third party absolutely, but in the last election, a vote that wasn’t for Dems was, unfortunately, a vote for Trump and I’m having a hard time believing you’re actually so dense as to not understand that
You will never get to vote for change if you always accept what you are given. Every single election since I started paying attention to politics has been “the most important election in my lifetime.” So with your thinking there is never a time to vote for your values, only the values Capitalists have enshrined in both candidates by choosing which candidates of both parties are “electable.”
Thanks for making assumptions about my beliefs, especially when I specified I would support a third party normally, but critical thinking does seem to be your weak point.
Dems are evil, Republicans are also evil, but damn, one of the two choices wasn’t going to go full mask off and start speedrunning Hitler’s playbook and you damn well know that.
Lesser evil never leads towards better, it leads to worse. A small acceptable amount of evil allows for a larger evil the next time. 50+ years if that shit and here we are
Small, acceptable amounts of evil allows for a larger amount of evil the next time. If you compound that over decades, you have our current situation. You can’t vote your way out of our current situation.
Less evil creates more evil. Less evil is like taking a small amount of poison, finding that didn’t kill you so you decide a slighter larger amount is worth the risk. When they doesnt kill you, you risk a slightly larger dose.
Yes but they should probably blame the guy that tied people to the track in the first place. I think most see it as scapegoating. Politicians dictate their own policies and you have to be very vocal about the ones that suck to be heard over the corporate money. Blaming voters gets you zilch in terms of change.
I’m going to blame the guy who tied six people to the tracks as well as the guy that didn’t pull the lever. I’m going to blame the guy who tied them to the tracks a lot more, but I can blame both.
You mean some folks are okay with more genocide, as long as they pretend not doing the bare minimum to reduce the account of genocide absolves them of responsibility.
If genocide isn’t a red line then there are no red lines, every lib that voted for blue no matter who should be in the Hague along with the rest of the murderers
You really saved us all with your… not voting?
Man… how many bricks to the side of y’all’s head do we have to take to get you to understand that a) an election isn’t about individual choice, and b) telling people what to do with their votes is counter productive.
If you were doing in 2023/24 what you are doing now, with that comment: You’re why fascism won.
You aren’t part of the collective that got it right. You’re being the shit lib who handed the world to the fascists.
Saying something over and over doesn’t mean its true.
That said, I hate both the DNC and the non-voters. I can do both. If free will exists, then I can blame both. (I mean I don’t believe in free will, but on an emotional level fuck both anyway, I don’t owe either of them shit.)
You hated the DNC so much you voted for them and defend their actions tooth and nail?
I voted for them for tactical purposes. Both because at the time I cared about the well being of my fellow human beings and I care about my own well being. These days I’m not so sure I care about humans or even myself. I’m still grappling with the point of it all now that we’re doomed.
I understand that tactics aren’t likely your strong suit, so let me make it clear: I do not have to love the democrats as a party to vote for them. I just have to have a basic grip on reality that it was either them or fascism. Because its first past the post we are dealing with.
Well then tactically you fucked up lol
You either don’t understand what tactics mean or you have some really Pepe Silvia shit to share with me.
You voted for genocide and still lost. Tactical and strategic woopsie.
Who do you think helped prop up and build the foundations for fascism? That’s what your tactics resulted in.
There are many ways to interpret this response. Some are reasonable (HRC did pied piper because she thought it’d help her win) and some are unhinged and stupid (Liberals are fascists).
My tactics were to vote in primaries (when they were available…) for progressive dems. I voted for Bernie Sander’s twice. But then I voted HRC and Biden, and Harris when they were the liberal slop candidates that we got. Because the alternative was helping a fascist win.
My tactics were to canvass, advocate, donate time and money to progressive causes. And when the progressives did not fucking win the primaries, I gritted my teeth and did the same for the centrist dems.
And you know what, sure. Those tactics failed, because US citizens on average are completely selfish and stupid pieces of shit. I don’t owe your glorious revolution my life. I did not choose to be here in this hellscape, that your own advocacy helped create.
So you did what they wanted you to do, vote for the sheepdog in the primary to give you the illusion of choice and progress, they push the sheepdog aside and you are forced to vote for the candidate they wanted you to vote for from the beginning.
The only failed tactic is liberals using the same failed ones over and over, thinking this time has got to be different.
You should evaluate your tactics and evaluate the limits of electoralism then. And you should adjust accordingly.
Denying reality over and over again doesn’t make you right and the perspective you are espousing was the dominant narrative up until the elective. That individually voters just needed to “do better”. You want to blame voters; you need them to win elections. Explain to me how you plan on getting back the 6% of Democratic voters you lost using your approach? You blamed them for failure before the contest was even run and they didn’t show up for you. Now what? How does your analysis change their minds into showing up?
What you are doing is the same thing petroleum companies did around recycling in the 90s. By believing this is some negotiation of individual choice, you are obscuring the fact that the Democrats structurally undermined their own ability to stop fascism. Blaming the individual is why fascism won.
I don’t need to win shit anymore. I don’t care, its obviously a fool’s errand to give a shit. The 2024 US election taught me that. All worrying about politics does is hurt me and waste my time with fools.
All that’s left is rot, so I’m going to pick through the garbage and hope to find some gems before we all drown in shit. My analysis is just based on brutal reality. They did not show up “for themselves” as well. Its not just me they’ve hurt. Leopards are eating faces, and not all the owners of those faces are “shitlibs” and MAGA, some of them are protestors who didn’t vote.
There is no means for me to change people’s minds on voting so you don’t need worry about me trying. I just want people to understand that the very virtue obsessed moral framework they are using to make their decision to not vote has hurt them. Its doomed them. I want them to feel bad about it because in so far that someone can deserve to feel bad about it, they definitely should.
No its not. In a purely rational sense, I don’t really blame anyone. Free will doesn’t actually exist.
But within the context of people I can like, dislike, or hate as the emotional creature that I am: I definitely can fucking loathe multiple groups at the same time and feel catharsis at their suffering.
I think you are still operating under the delusion that this second Trump term is something we will escape from, but the thing is, bad times don’t create good times. They create more bad times. We are in the gravity well of a metaphorical political and environmental black hole, and you are in denial.
The dems will win in 2028, and it wont matter much, other than we’ll get some sweet painkillers as we pass into oblivion. Because the GOP will win in 2032. Or society will completely collapse. Or the globe will roast all of our food and we’ll all starve. There are not much in the way of good things to look forward to.
Great. Then just keep it all to yourself then. All bottled up deep inside so you don’t hand the fascists another victory.
No lol, eat shit, scumbag.
Still insistent on the delusions I see.
You don’t deserve charity. You objectively supported fascism with your actions. And now youre saying you don’t care enough to stop it.
You really saved us with your… supporting genocide?
I voted third party
My absolute favorite downvoted comment. Will frame it for posterity
Good comment.
I guess the millions starving because USAID got cut isn’t a red line.
Or all the undocumented immigrants in the US getting rounded up into camps, some whisked away to who knows where, also isn’t a red line.
Or women losing their bodily autonomy on the first go around, due to SCOTUS being cemented as conservative for the rest of our lives.
Or trans people fearing for their lives and being unable to flee the US because their passport will get scrutinized.
Or virtually all environmental regulations in the US getting cut so now we contribute more intensely to our cooking planet.
All of this is not only not a redline, its preferable. Because the shitlibs must be punished, right?
I don’t think I will ever understand you. I don’t even know if you’re real. What are you trying to accomplish?
The sole purpose of USAID was for regime change and the illusion of aid needed caused by US actions
Dems had 50 years and multiple opportunities to protect women’s rights and did nothing but raise money off that fear.
The first 2 months of Bidens war in Gaza released the equivalent of 275k tons of burning coal, not so concerned about the environmental pact of that.
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I’m sure now that USAID is shut down the regime change will stop. The millions of starving people clearly were a necessary sacrifice.
When it’s US actions that were causing them to starve, yes
They were a necessary sacrifice? Wait you are going to need to elaborate.
They wouldn’t be starving if the US stayed out of their politics. The US creates the circumstances to destabilize their economies, overthrow their governments then come in with USAID to assist as if they didn’t cause the problem.
OK, even if I agreed with you fully, this doesn’t really refute the fact that USAID being obliterated is still causing unnecessary harm that could have been avoided had Harris won.
So keep them subjugated by US imperialism so they can help from US imperialism?
Oh you edited in some more.
Yeah I hate the dems too.
I promise you that the environmental impact of Gaza being turned into glass is dwarfed by the invasion of Ukraine and like, everything else going on globally. You live in a stupid bubble where everything bad that exists is because of zionism and Israel and their genocide of Palestinians. If cared enough I’d bet money.
And every non-voter who’s “high road” they dichtomously make fun of Obama for has allowed more genocide is what, better? The choices were some genocide or more genocide, avoiding the choice is just a choice for more genocide. Trolley on way to kill 5 people do you pull the lever to kill 1 or don’t pull the lever and let it kill 5. Unsurprising that people will blame you for not pulling the lever and you’re upset that people did try and pull the lever.
You are litterally doing the thing that handed the country to fascists: you are a fascist enabler.
If you continue to blame voters instead of those in power, you are supporting fascism, and we should ALL collectively recognize you as a fascist.
Yeah, fuck me for thinking vote for the lesser evil and work towards better rather than let the greater evil win and then??? How dare I desire not to worry about gestapo throwing me in a hole for my skin color while I fight for better. Instead of fighting for better im just fighting to survive. Fucks sake.
Yeah. Fuck you for that. Thinking like that blew the fucking election and handed the country to fascists. Thats what we’re saying. Accepting or advocating for lesser evil loses elections time and again. If you were advocating for that approach in 2023/4, the fascism is on you.
Its the entire point we’ve been making since 2023.
Reminder that there are more then two choices on every ballot in every county. If you don’t bother using them because you really think “your team” should win, then you don’t really have any business participating in democracy.
Sure, that sounds good to say in theory, but I’m sure you’re aware that a First Past the Post voting system kinda makes a third party effectively a wasted vote. Normally I’d support a third party absolutely, but in the last election, a vote that wasn’t for Dems was, unfortunately, a vote for Trump and I’m having a hard time believing you’re actually so dense as to not understand that
You will never get to vote for change if you always accept what you are given. Every single election since I started paying attention to politics has been “the most important election in my lifetime.” So with your thinking there is never a time to vote for your values, only the values Capitalists have enshrined in both candidates by choosing which candidates of both parties are “electable.”
Thanks for making assumptions about my beliefs, especially when I specified I would support a third party normally, but critical thinking does seem to be your weak point.
Dems are evil, Republicans are also evil, but damn, one of the two choices wasn’t going to go full mask off and start speedrunning Hitler’s playbook and you damn well know that.
“normally” like what year? What year in your entire voting life have you actually voted third-party on a national level?
Lesser evil never leads towards better, it leads to worse. A small acceptable amount of evil allows for a larger evil the next time. 50+ years if that shit and here we are
Even more so with a greater evil.
Nobody is saying “settle for the lesser evil”. They are saying it’s easier to fight for progress against the lesser evil than the greater evil.
Small, acceptable amounts of evil allows for a larger amount of evil the next time. If you compound that over decades, you have our current situation. You can’t vote your way out of our current situation.
Nobody said “acceptable”. Moving from “more evil” to “less evil” is how you make progress towards “no evil”.
Less evil creates more evil. Less evil is like taking a small amount of poison, finding that didn’t kill you so you decide a slighter larger amount is worth the risk. When they doesnt kill you, you risk a slightly larger dose.
Yes but they should probably blame the guy that tied people to the track in the first place. I think most see it as scapegoating. Politicians dictate their own policies and you have to be very vocal about the ones that suck to be heard over the corporate money. Blaming voters gets you zilch in terms of change.
I’m going to blame the guy who tied six people to the tracks as well as the guy that didn’t pull the lever. I’m going to blame the guy who tied them to the tracks a lot more, but I can blame both.
I disagree. I don’t think we should support genocide at all, full stop, period. But I guess some folks are okay with a little genocide, as a treat
You mean some folks are okay with more genocide, as long as they pretend not doing the bare minimum to reduce the account of genocide absolves them of responsibility.
Their tactic of “We not as bad as X” doesn’t work anymore. The compromising position is to compromise yourself. Never again.