Nobody thinks this. Lemmy users need to stop being racist like this. Iranians are not stupid, these people have agency. They know what a war with the US means, they had two of their neighbors go through it. They know it’s hell, but the thing is that the regime right now is so cartoonishly evil that if a war loosens their grip on power and opens up a real possibility for a new government, then it might just be worth it.
I’m Iraqi. My family lived through the terror of Saddam Hussein. The US invasion was hell. It destabilized the country and a lot of people died. Nobody recalls that time as a good one. Yet, at the same time, you’ll be hard pressed to any Iraqi that wishes the US didn’t depose of that evil regime.
He is 100%. The difference is that Trump rules the US, not Iran. For Iranians, anything that can realistically help them get rid of their oppressors is a glimmer of hope that cling on to even if the odds aren’t that great.
For the record, I don’t support the US installing a new regime. I want the Iranian people take their country back for themselves, not be under new management. I just think that with how ruthless and evil this regime is willing to be, it’s simply not possible for the people to overthrow it by themselves.
The issue with that is that’s how they got into this mess the first time. And the midterms are coming, Kamala lost on Palestine. I don’t mean to be a dick but the timing seems very similar…
I wholeheartedly disagree with this. You grossly overestimate how much people care about Palestine. The vast, vast majority don’t care, it’s very much down on the list of priorities for most people, including the ones who vote Democrat. Kamala lost for 3 reasons:
Biden lied about being a one term president, the Democrats refused to have primaries, and Biden refused to step down until the very last minute, which didn’t give her campaign enough time to make waves
She was explicitly saying that she was going to be Biden 2.0 on the economy, and that didn’t go well with people. Even though it wasn’t Biden’s fault that Russia invaded Ukraine or Covid happened, people still blamed him for the economic problems that these events caused.
She’s a black woman. It’s really I sad, but I personally know about a dozen people who unironically voted for Trump solely because Kamala was both black and a woman. It’s safe to say these are not the brightest people, but they unfortunately make up a very large chunk of the voter population in this country
I think you’re probably right that Trump might start a war because the midterms are around the corner, but at the same time, I genuinely think he’s too dumb to think that strategically. I think it’s much more likely that he wants something to distract the population from the Epstein files.
Honestly, I used to not understand that mindset. But living in the US now, I’m starting to feel that desperation. Literally anything that would knock that clown off his stool would be worth it, even a deal with the devil himself.
The strongest empathy comes through experience. What Iranians are experiencing now might be what we experience in 10 years if not sooner. The fight against fascism is a global one, and there’s no such thing as a good fascist regime.
Americans and their main character syndrome drives me up the wall sometimes. Even well meaning ones can’t not interpret the world from the perspective of US doing a thing, and everything else being the consequence of that.
I just hope that most of that are bots trying to stir chaos, otherwise it’s too sad
Americans and their main character syndrome drives me up the wall sometimes. Even well meaning ones can’t not interpret the world from the perspective of US doing a thing, and everything else being the consequence of that.
Lemmy users need to stop being racist like this. Americans are not stupid, these people have agency. They know what a war with the Iran means.
You’re not talking about reality, you’re talking about your perception and your perception is built on a negative stereotype meme.
I have some family in Iran, and they tell me that the regime is so universally hated that it has no legitimacy left. They can only rule through fear and violence, and people desperately want something that can give them the extra push to overthrow the regime.
In 1979 Iranians revolted against the Shah. Toronto filled up with Iranians in the 80s who ran and grabbed billions of dollars from the country. Ask any of them where they got their money and you got shady answers. The Canadian government let anyone in with money. There are so many of these people they call the city Tehranto.
These people want the return of the Shah and a corrupt crony class to steal the wealth of the country, taking trillions in oil wealth to leave most of the country in poverty.
Iran will get bombed, thousands will die, US will install a puppet Fascist and the cycle will reset. There were good reasons why the people put Ayatollahs in power.
Sorry, let me clarify that my comment wasn’t meant to express an opinion, but to ask why their response was to skip the main content of OP’s post and ask that question. However as another user pointed out OP seems to be a Tesla shill amongst other things, so I guess neither of those posters is worth engaging with. The internet is miraculous
another user pointed out OP seems to be a Tesla shill amongst other things
Users on this site are really are gullible to misinformation. That user was lying. You’re free to browse my account history as you please, and make your own opinions instead of relying on a single dishonest user who’s engaging in bad faith.
There is a not insignificant (at least by noise level) portion of the Iranian Diaspora that want the US to invade specifically to install Reza Pahlavi as King. I know because they are harassing my wife on social media when she posts her position which is as you described. You are right in that the majority don’t want a war like this, but Royalists specifically (including the prince of nothing himself ) seem to actually believe that this would be a good thing.
You only have to look at what happened around Huda Beauty, when their Iraqi owner said the same thing you are saying.
Nobody thinks this. Lemmy users need to stop being racist like this. Iranians are not stupid, these people have agency. They know what a war with the US means, they had two of their neighbors go through it. They know it’s hell, but the thing is that the regime right now is so cartoonishly evil that if a war loosens their grip on power and opens up a real possibility for a new government, then it might just be worth it.
I’m Iraqi. My family lived through the terror of Saddam Hussein. The US invasion was hell. It destabilized the country and a lot of people died. Nobody recalls that time as a good one. Yet, at the same time, you’ll be hard pressed to any Iraqi that wishes the US didn’t depose of that evil regime.
I’m Iranian, living in Iran. He is right.
A very big portion of people think trump or netanyahu’s attack and war will save them from the islamic republic.
When people are angry, hungry, getting killed, hopeless and poor, we can’t expect their brains to work properly.
Is trump not cartoonishly evil too?
He is 100%. The difference is that Trump rules the US, not Iran. For Iranians, anything that can realistically help them get rid of their oppressors is a glimmer of hope that cling on to even if the odds aren’t that great.
Yeah, because the US has a stellar history if installing fair dictators. That’s how Hussein came to power in the first place.
For the record, I don’t support the US installing a new regime. I want the Iranian people take their country back for themselves, not be under new management. I just think that with how ruthless and evil this regime is willing to be, it’s simply not possible for the people to overthrow it by themselves.
The issue with that is that’s how they got into this mess the first time. And the midterms are coming, Kamala lost on Palestine. I don’t mean to be a dick but the timing seems very similar…
I wholeheartedly disagree with this. You grossly overestimate how much people care about Palestine. The vast, vast majority don’t care, it’s very much down on the list of priorities for most people, including the ones who vote Democrat. Kamala lost for 3 reasons:
I think you’re probably right that Trump might start a war because the midterms are around the corner, but at the same time, I genuinely think he’s too dumb to think that strategically. I think it’s much more likely that he wants something to distract the population from the Epstein files.
Honestly, I used to not understand that mindset. But living in the US now, I’m starting to feel that desperation. Literally anything that would knock that clown off his stool would be worth it, even a deal with the devil himself.
Fuck, this sucks so much.
The strongest empathy comes through experience. What Iranians are experiencing now might be what we experience in 10 years if not sooner. The fight against fascism is a global one, and there’s no such thing as a good fascist regime.
Americans and their main character syndrome drives me up the wall sometimes. Even well meaning ones can’t not interpret the world from the perspective of US doing a thing, and everything else being the consequence of that.
I just hope that most of that are bots trying to stir chaos, otherwise it’s too sad
Calling out USA on its atrocities and its bad rep with foreign interference throughout history is USdefaultism now?
WTF are you smoking?
You’re more bot-like than the OP. Just calling names making things up to manufacture consent in a made up reality in a bot farm.
Lemmy users need to stop being racist like this. Americans are not stupid, these people have agency. They know what a war with the Iran means.
You’re not talking about reality, you’re talking about your perception and your perception is built on a negative stereotype meme.
One of my uncle shared the same sentiments with me; they want Iran invaded because they hope it’ll get rid of the regime.
I told him that no country capable of invading Iran will do so in the interest of Iranians. He said he knows, but he sees no alternative.
I have some family in Iran, and they tell me that the regime is so universally hated that it has no legitimacy left. They can only rule through fear and violence, and people desperately want something that can give them the extra push to overthrow the regime.
In 1979 Iranians revolted against the Shah. Toronto filled up with Iranians in the 80s who ran and grabbed billions of dollars from the country. Ask any of them where they got their money and you got shady answers. The Canadian government let anyone in with money. There are so many of these people they call the city Tehranto.
These people want the return of the Shah and a corrupt crony class to steal the wealth of the country, taking trillions in oil wealth to leave most of the country in poverty.
Iran will get bombed, thousands will die, US will install a puppet Fascist and the cycle will reset. There were good reasons why the people put Ayatollahs in power.
Thanks for the downvotes, toronto Persians.
I downvoted you out of principle. No religious leader is a good replacement, and should never be considered better than what came before.
Not sure if you mean the regime in Iran or USA.
Both can be true but what’s the point of your comment?
I don’t think that’s true. the US one has definite cartoon vibes. The Iran one seems a bit more “physical”
Yeah, the US has a level of incompetence to it that makes it somewhat amusing, from a distance.
The Iranian regime is a lot better at what they do, and that’s the scary part.
Sorry, let me clarify that my comment wasn’t meant to express an opinion, but to ask why their response was to skip the main content of OP’s post and ask that question. However as another user pointed out OP seems to be a Tesla shill amongst other things, so I guess neither of those posters is worth engaging with. The internet is miraculous
Users on this site are really are gullible to misinformation. That user was lying. You’re free to browse my account history as you please, and make your own opinions instead of relying on a single dishonest user who’s engaging in bad faith.
I scrolled enough to know you’re somebody I wouldn’t enjoy talking to, so farewell. Tell my kids I love them
The feeling is mutual
The Trump administration is evil, but it’s still night and day compared to the Iranian regime. The Mullahs make MAGA look tame in comparison.
There is a not insignificant (at least by noise level) portion of the Iranian Diaspora that want the US to invade specifically to install Reza Pahlavi as King. I know because they are harassing my wife on social media when she posts her position which is as you described. You are right in that the majority don’t want a war like this, but Royalists specifically (including the prince of nothing himself ) seem to actually believe that this would be a good thing.
You only have to look at what happened around Huda Beauty, when their Iraqi owner said the same thing you are saying.