• macke49@lemmy.worldEnglish
    36·
    25 天前

    You a normal bicycle road in the Netherlands in every town. All equipped with own traffic signs and own traffic lights. Even with broader bicycle expressways cross country between towns.

  • beetus@lemmy.worldEnglish
    15·
    25 天前

    It’s frustrating how many comments are focused on comparisons to the NL. When someone does something hard that was easy for you, do you gloat or do you celebrate their efforts?

    Everyone in this community knows that NL has amazing bike infra and this is normal (and better) there.

    Hope to see more permanent protected bike lanes in the US. Thanks for sharing OP

    • MoonRaven@feddit.nlEnglish
      6·
      24 天前

      From the Netherlands myself. I’m always really happy to see improvements like this elsewhere. I know what it looks like in other countries.

    • Dozzi92@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      23 天前

      Appreciate your view and I would love to see more of it.

      I live in NJ, which is probably the most suburban state in the US, and so we were built with cars and houses in mind. Fortunately, we are seeing a shift toward biking infrastructure, albeit a little slow, but progress is progress. Jersey City certainly leads the way, and new developments that come online, which there are many, are often required to put in protected bike lanes.

      Beyond that, we’ve seen work started on a Greenway connecting Montclair and Jersey City, nine miles through very dense, urban landscape, where there will be dedicated bike lanes throughout. NJ has so many old rail lines that there’s been an effort to turn into pedestrian ways. There’s one that comes to mind that’s 20 miles. Ideally we would also take some of those old railways and make them unold, and add additional rail lines, but things move slowly in a tiny state with 565 municipalities.

      All I know is I’m fortunate to be part of the Northeast Corridor of the US, which is seemingly one of the few places that tries to do some forward thinking.

  • dylanmorgan@slrpnk.netEnglish
    6·
    25 天前

    Beautiful, I just wish they hadn’t insisted on keeping the parallel parking and planted some trees instead.

  • klay1@lemmy.worldEnglish
    6·
    23 天前

    i disagree. There are good and bad separate bike lanes.

    In this one, cyclists will be overlooked a lot when crossing the lane. They are hidden behind parked cars.

    edit: apologies in advance. I am glad you built this one, which is already a good step in the right direction.

    • Ton@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      23 天前

      This is literally how 99 percent of the separate bike lanes in NL are built. Check Not Just Bikes on Nebula.

      • klay1@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        19 天前

        Not correct. And misleading. I know not just bikes well. Infrastructure is way more than one bike lane. It is also about how traffic crosses a bike lane. The crossing is slowed down by speedbumps (?) or the bike path is elevated by a curb, etc. and a wide area of visibility is provided, so they are visible before crossing. And most importantly, the car drivers are taught about it. What i mean is, that like in this foto, might work well in the Netherlands, but not so much in other countries.

        • Ton@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          17 天前

          It is part of a much larger plan. But in the Netherlands it also started small, and took all the way until the 1990s when it started to scale.

          • klay1@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            15 天前

            exactly. And if they scale, correct, adapt, then this is a good step. But this hidden bike lane alone is not ‘what good bike lane design looks like’

    • Buddahriffic@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      23 天前

      Though IMO anyone on a bike in areas where they must interact with cars should anticipate right turners going through their lane without even considering if there’s a cyclist about to enter that space. Right of way only matters when looking back at an incident to determine if anyone should be fined or arrested.

      I do the same shit while driving, just assume that anyone around me might actually be completely incompetent and could try changing into my lane at any moment.

  • infinitesunrise@slrpnk.netEnglish
    5·
    25 天前

    That automotive crossing in frame center is seriously bad vibes. The car parking immediately adjacent to the driveway - A driveway that presumably leads to more car parking - Means zero bike visibility for drivers turning right off the street. That’s a near-guaranteed cyclist injury or death in the future, which becomes even more likely the smaller the cyclist is. None of the road signs seem to warn of the presence of the bike lane. And there’s another car crossing 20 feet after that! Aesthetically this lane looks pleasing to the North American eye but I expect it wouldn’t actually pass muster in a place like NL.

    It’s certainly a move in the right direction but I’d stop short of calling it “good” when it’s not even safe.

    • agingelderly@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      25 天前

      Wow this is what I first noticed as well. But then I thought at least it’s better than what we have in my city, which is nothing.

  • Gammelfisch@lemmy.worldEnglish
    5·
    23 天前

    Indeed and give the bicycles the right of way like the Netherlands. However, with proper traffic controls and the bicyclists must follow the rules too.

  • Eczpurt@lemmy.worldEnglish
    4·
    25 天前

    Bonus points if they raise the entry from the road to the parking lot to separate things further!

  • pjwestin@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    24 天前

    Ah man, I used to live in this town. I wish the infrastructure had been this good when I was there.