What scares me is all the people who knew this was going on. Jefferey’s friends were sophisticated and connected people. Even the ones who never got in a room with a little girl knew what he was about and did not give a fuck.
I don’t see a grand conspiracy. I see a social network of powerful people who are entitled to the bodies of little girls the same way wealth entitles one to to all objects. He got away with so much for so long because it was accepted and allowed. Every heard of ‘The Big Club’? We’ll, he’s in it.
When you have riches and power, you still want what you can’t have. That’s what drives them.
There’s something that everybody seems to be ignoring…
( aside from the vile glossing-over of the “journalism”, with their “underage women” euphamism for girls, & their euphamisms for rape, etc, as thankfully, women have been pointing-out )
The way he worked was he used friendship to put people in the position of being friends with him, and then they found-out about more of what was going-on, but now the conflict-of-interest put them in a bind, & gang-loyalty/pack-loyalty/“family”-loyalty conflicted loyalty-to-principle.
AND THAT SAME CONFLICT-OF-INTEREST IS USED BY EVERY FAMILY, EVERY IDEOLOGY, EVERYWHERE, ALL THE TIME, so no, it isn’t that they all knew & became his friend regardless: that is reversing the order, for at-least many of them.
WHY were the majority of people in East Germany actively snitching on whomever was around them, for sake of ingratiating themselves with the authorities?
Because that is human-nature.
Within-the-pack/“family”/“clan” … outranks principles.
Children have that driven into them by parents, by culture, by education, by stories, relentlessly.
The class-clan also played into it:
Say a person who was, with friendship with Epstein, now hobnobbing with people of the class above their normal level…
& then they learn more of what’s really going-on…
Now their conflict-of-interest is that if they go against their new “family”, they’ll … at-least get ostracized, & possibly murdered.
XOR, they can just compromise their principles, & get to have their clan/class/“family” validity remain…
& that is what they did.
Part of what bugs me with the simplistic “oh, but I would never have done that!” position … is simply that babies/lives born into different cultures FORM into those cultures.
That evidence is global.
it is idiotic to reject it.
People born into a “make yourself a ‘man’: put down as many others as you can, & prove yourself through your exclusive ‘success’” culture SIGNIFICANTLY BECOME that culture: they embody it.
Same as with people born into a more nurturing culture.
Same with people born into a short-term-only culture, vs a long-term-only culture…
The self-delusion of people who hold that “well I wouldn’t ever have been that way, were I the one born into that culture” is outright BEGGING universe to get one’s soul/continuum caught in exactly such a life, in the future, just to rub one’s soul’s face in it: karmic sucker-punching.
The phrase “there, but for the grace-of-G-D, go I” has real wisdom in it.
Freud apparently discovered that child-rape was normal, in the culture he inhabited, & tried speaking-up about it, but … well, backlash threatened to wipe his importance off the map, so he … got quiet about it, again.
Feudalism & slavery have pretty-much DEFINED our race’s last few millenia of history: we DID embody such corruption, such narcissism, such prejudice, consistently, for thousands of years.
What percentage of humankind rejected that kind of narcissism & perpetuating-established-corruption for sake of principles??
Seriously? it isn’t 1/2, it isn’t 1/20!!
This isn’t a they are corrupt problem, this is they had opportunity & exercised it, but we who haven’t been in their culture pretend that our nature is somehow inherently-different, therefore we pretend we wouldn’t ever have exercised that opportunity … kind of thing.
Yes, there are individuals who hold to principle in spite of it violating the culture they live in, like Charles Darwin being anti-slavery.
But … the whole “WE would NEVER do any such thing, were we born into that culture, ourselves!” … it’s dishonest.
& yes, it’s dishonest+vile when the “journalism” of today softpedals what they did.
I read an excerpt from 1 of those documents: a girl was raped & got pregnant, forced to have an abortion she didn’t want, & they therefore murdered her daughter.
NONE of the “journalism” of MSM has the spine to state that honestly.
& given that speaking required-truth is their JOB, … that’s … a betrayal of civilization.
Epstein seems to have been VERY skilful at manipulating people into undermined-principles ( kind of a human moral-pathogen? among other things: he was human, too, ttbomk, and I don’t want to know more about him, to validate that: vile is vile, but there had to be more than just-that in him. Same as our “heroes” & “saints” are often mixtures, when we get to know the real someone ).
& I think it would be much more objective of us to thank our karma/luck for how we weren’t put in the undermining-force that others failed in, because as nice as it may be to pretend that we’re “inherently” better than others … the blunt fact is that if cultures can form lives as much as the evidence shows they can … then we’d be drastically different had we been born into different-culture, & it isn’t any “inherent” superiority: it’s nurture, not nature.
I think the primary reason we’re not like him/them is cultural-circimstance we were born into.
Only.
I think humankind is malleable by context to that degree.
& loyalty-to-principle isn’t what most humankind are: loyalty-to-gang/family/identity outranks loyalty-to-principle massively among humankind, & people nowadays are just pretending that their current-gang is inherently-good, & masquerading as loyal-to-principle.
This will become biting, when the “masks come off” & humankind HARD-chooses ideology over principles, in the coming months/weeks.
Then the truth will be more “in our faces”.
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Wait. EAT? I heard about the rest but … say it isn’t so.
I was actually just exaggerating for dramatic effect when I made this but apparently the codeword was jerky and Epstein may have maintained a strict diet of only human meat for a period of time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghUNyJzLkfE
The torture and eat parts made this last weekend difficult. My heart still speeds up when I think about those poor children. :(
For real I’m hoping that’s just made up.
There are some witness reports that describe some absolutely mind-meltingly horrible acts, but also… I don’t doubt any of it, I have no idea if it’s true, but I don’t doubt it’s plausible and possible.
E-Eat??
We all know about Trump raping minors, so what do you think is so vile that he’s fighting tooth and claw to avoid releasing the files?
The US abducted a sitting president, broke NATO, is murdering their own citizens in the streets, and IDK what’s going to happen with Iran, but I’m sure glad not to be involved. Would Trump really do that to avoid having a pedo paper trail? I’m beginning to doubt it…
The idea that him being known as a pedophile is one of the positive outcomes for him (and the implications of that) is horrifying.
Maybe he really did eat children.
The idea that him being known as a pedophile is one of the positive outcomes for him (and the implications of that) is horrifying.
It will be status quo, if he’s only a documented child molester. The last 27% of the US population will support Trump no matter what, and his opposition in congress is so inept that they can’t coordinate impeaching him.
But maybe, if there’s documentation that Trump has eaten a kid alive, then congress will get their faces out of the bribe trough long enough to do something. Whatever congress then tries will be struck down by SCOTUS of course, but at least they’ll have tried.
You’ve created a reality in which I am looking forward to the news that Donald Trump ate children, simply so that we have literally undeniable evidence that he is a monster.
I need a cigarette.
It’s certainly not out of the realm of possibility, though there’s no direct evidence. One possible reason there’s no direct evidence is that, as deputy AG Todd Blanche recently said, they’re withholding any images that contain violence, physical harm, or death.
Where does the eat part come from?
Apparently the code word was jerky. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghUNyJzLkfE
Do you think that’s where they’d draw the line?
I think baseless accusations are just misinformation.
baseless
They’re from police and FBI reports and witness statements, so “baseless” is not accurate.
I’m not saying everything in the reports is 100% true and real, but the fact that they’ve been covered up so hard for so long says that there’s something in there that’s true, which means anything in there could be true.
A lot of the more horrendous things mentioned, people like you are saying are too extreme and “ludicrous” to be true.
But I bet you would agree people did such things in the past, right? Why is it implausible that people are still doing the same horrific things people have been doing for thousands of years? Because you can’t relate?
That’s good, celebrate that. But don’t be naive to just how horrible human beings can be, we get in a LOT of trouble in society when we say “That can’t be true, people can’t be that bad.”
We also get in a lot of trouble when we just accept anything bad we hear about people we don’t like as true.
I just don’t get dismissing any one report or story out of hand just because it sounds “implausible” by your own moral standards. That’s deeply biased.
Treat the whole thing as unverified or unsubstantiated, but don’t single out individual reported acts and crimes and say “That’s too much.” That’s just your brain trying to protect you. I don’t think we’re ever going to see investigations proving or disproving anything in those files, but it’s naive to think that people who rape and murder children are going to draw the line somewhere. Let’s face the dark reality and use that as our motivation to get involved and work towards dismantling the cult of the wealthy elite, not bury our heads because some things (things that that again, people have done for thousands of years as demonstrations of power) are too horrific to imagine.
We found the pedo
They’ve accused democrats of eating babies plenty. All the proof I need these days.
Literally everything the right accuses others of has been a self-report, like 100% of the time.
edit: also, Epstein helped launch 4Chan’s politics board, which was one of the primary drivers of the entire Qanon/democrats eating-babies and blood rituals narrative, I find that waaay too on-the-nose to be coincidental.
I am with the “fake news” here, but that argument is surprisingly solid given what we have seen so far.
There is mention of one case. It’s the email where someone is telling Jeff that the FBI took witness account of a victim. They mention ritualistic sacrifice with a scimitar. There’s a line saying babies were dismembered and their intestines were eaten.
The subject line of the email is interview of purported Epstein victim
Trump is fighting tooth and nail to only be called a pedo rapist. That’s the best case scenario for him. If that’s where the bar is, imagine all of the even more depraved shit that hasn’t been released yet.
Even if 99% of the files are complete bogus, that remaining 1% is still enough to justify publicly broadcasted flayings for everyone involved.
Half of global high society, apparently
That would be the male half.
J.K. Rowling just had all of her yacht’s travel data deleted for some reason, which is apparently highly illegal. Mostly male for sure, but I doubt the line is absolute.
And invited Epstein to the premiere of the Cursed Child while he was still in prison
At least a couple of the male billionaires wives went to Epstein parties so no telling if it was just the men.
Why the unnecessary sexism?
They said “half of global high society,” so we’re talking about statistics, not whether a few women went there.
So, you could try to accept reality, or you could live in a fantasy world where the vast majority of the powerful elite going to Epstein’s Island for illicit purposes weren’t men. Epstein’s victims were girls. Have you even heard of a boy being trafficked by him? Most people are cis-gender. History is packed full of men seeking power over girls and young women, but now we are going to choose to be blind to reality in favor of political correctness?
Jesus Christ. Just a few days ago I posted here that I was disappointed in everybody in the world, but at the time, I thought it was a joke.
Have you even heard of a boy…
Yes, in fact, I just recently on Lemmy heard about a boy that apparently (allegedly) shoved a tent stake up TACOman’s rectum and then stomped on it. I have no trouble believing young boys and girls were both raped and trafficked. I don’t think history is as hetero-normative as you suggest. Children have forever been a target of the elite.
Well, that’s horrific. I just listened to a bit of his testimony, or whatever you want to call it, and now I feel bad about making that exact point.
But are you really trying to assert that statistically, the people partying with Epstein in order to abuse children are not overwhelmingly male, and that the victims are not overwhelmingly girls? Because I’ve heard quite a bit of testimony and it is about rich men abusing young girls.
I literally responded to a point you made about young boys not being a target, not sure what you’re firing at right now
The context was that I was accused of “unnecessary sexism” for my earlier comment and you’re arguing against me.
If you don’t want to argue that I was being unnecessarily sexist, and you just want to nitpick minor points, then it would help if you’d make that clear.
Nitpick minor comments, like an entire class of minors you implied didn’t exist? Ok pal, have a good one.
As a trafficking survivor I can assure you it’s not just men.
I never said it was.
That would be the male half.
Pray tell what you did mean by putting these words in this order then?
First, it was a joke in response to a joke. That much should be obvious to anyone. So it has the accuracy inherent in a joke.
And second, since it was about large numbers of people, it was obviously a claim about the vast majorities and not a statement indicating, for example, that there were zero exceptions.
The offense is more in the responses than in the original comment. The comment first got many upvotes because it’s obviously a joke. But then some people with poor reading comprehension invented offense and responded like it was obvious, then everyone started acting like chickens with their heads cut off. The people who could read and think for themselves didn’t respond because it’s obviously just a stupid joke.
Better luck with your next joke, get well soon 👍
The exact plot of L.A. Confidential
It’s a plot in LA Confidential. It’s about the consolidation of organized crime under a corrupt police officer, and one of the operations he’s taking over is sexual blackmail.
But he’s also taking over the drug trade, and it’s violence over Heroin following the arrest of a mobster that sets everything in motion.
10 million dollar plan. A bounty of 10 million is placed on each billionaire. Their assets are liquidated and put to literally any other use, burning the cash would help stem inflation.
Take their assets and put $10M towards keeping the bounty program going. Take another $15M and put it towards a second (even bigger) bounty. Every day a billionaire’s name gets lottery’ed and killing them wins the big pot plus the original $10M bounty. So every single billionaire has a constant bounty on them, plus the chance of getting lotto’ed… At first that lotto may only be $25M. But as more and more die, that bigger pot continues to grow.
Their private security teams may not be willing to turn against their masters for only $10M… But for $25M? $40M? $55M? $70M? Everyone has a price, especially the billionaires’ mercenaries. Of course, the billionaires would probably start requiring bomb collars for their private security at that point, to ensure they remain loyal. But that means the teams would inevitably weigh the price of a bomb collar vs an easy $10M payout in the first place. And that $10M alone would be enough to have them gunning down the billionaires before they put the collars on.
The rest of their assets go towards a fund for reducing homelessness, bolstering food stamp programs, unemployment insurance funds, getting people back on their feet, forgiving debt, funding Social Security, expanding Medicare and Medicaid, maybe even UBI if the fund is large enough to be self-sustaining, etc…
Brilliant stuff there.
