Alleged censorship comes after investors loyal to Trump take over social media platform
  • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
    154·
    6 days ago

    Starting to think centralizing the internet into platforms owned by far-right billionaires might have been a bad idea.

  • cosmicrookie@lemmy.world
    175·
    6 days ago

    So the reason why Tik Tok was not allowed to run as a Chinese company, was not to prevent Chinese propaganda but to allow for US propaganda

    • OrangeSlice@lemmy.mlEnglish
      39·
      6 days ago

      Yes, they literally explicitly said this. There also wasnt even “Chinese propaganda”, the just didn’t care to censor pro-palestine content and that’s unacceptable to the US.

      • edible_funk@sh.itjust.works
        28·
        6 days ago

        There absolutely was loads of Chinese propaganda. That you think there wasn’t is evidence that it worked too. Tiktok was a major win for China in PR and soft power.

          • mrbutterscotch@feddit.orgEnglish
            17·
            6 days ago

            I don’t know what the guy asking you meant exactly, but in europe tiktok has been a big reason for the rise of far right Parties all across europe. China stands to gain from a divided europe.

            • OrangeSlice@lemmy.mlEnglish
              11·
              6 days ago

              First part may be true, but I really don’t think you can directly blame China for that. The app itself is a tiny factor is the rise of the far right which has a lot more to do with the “in real life circumstances”.

              I would also disagree that China gains much from a divided Europe. The argument could be made in theory, but it doesn’t align with what i’ve observed From Chinese foreign policy in practice.

              The approach of amplifying divisions in other countries is more of a Russian tactic than anything. Russia stands to gain more from a divided Europe, and it would be in alignment with their foreign policy in practice. That said, I also think the Russian influence on these matters is a bit overstated at times, to the point where the actually issues aren’t being discussed. I notice it on the American side of things as well.

            • Weydemeyer@lemmy.ml
              3·
              6 days ago

              This is like when my mom (who is on a diet) complains that I don’t throw out the ice cream sandwiches in my freezer before she comes over to visit.

            • OrangeSlice@lemmy.mlEnglish
              3·
              6 days ago

              It isn’t though. “Propaganda” has fluid definition, so I was hoping to get on the same page so we could continue the discussion. It’s always helpful to clarify terms before we just talk past each other.

              I’m familiar with the comic, but it doesn’t represent the situation here at all. Is asking any sort of clarifying question to someone who is directly in my replies “sealioning” to you? I thought it represented an undesired and obnoxious series of questions by a third party, but I’m one of the primary participants in this conversation.

              • tomiant@piefed.socialEnglish
                2·
                6 days ago

                Is asking any sort of clarifying question to someone who is directly in my replies “sealioning” to you?

                Not at all.

                But your follow up reply definitely seals the deal.

    • wheezy@lemmy.mlEnglish
      23·
      6 days ago

      There is an old joke about how incredibly good American propaganda was. What we are seeing now is more of a breakdown shift in the propaganda machine. It is becoming less about forming a universal belief. They have realized this is no longer possible. So, it’s not about hiding the lies. It’s about preventing the most people from seeing the truth.

      Anyway, here is the joke.

      A KGB spy and a CIA agent meet up in a bar for a friendly drink

      "I have to admit, I’m always so impressed by Soviet propaganda.

      You really know how to get people worked up," the CIA agent says.

      “Thank you,” the KGB says. "We do our best but truly, it’s nothing compared to American propaganda.

      Your people believe everything your state media tells them."

      The CIA agent drops his drink in shock and disgust. "Thank you friend, but you must be confused…

      There’s no propaganda in America."

    • dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world
      1·
      5 days ago

      Oh, the moment that fucking congress was involved, I knew they were all upset that millions of people were using a communication platform that they had zero eyeballs on. Worse yet, the only party that did was a foreign superpower. All of that is very bad news for entrenched politics, with people able to collectively invent a different mindset and/or get swayed by outside interests. The only way to fix this was ban it or own it somehow: the very two options floated at the time.

      Meanwhile we narrowly avoided a precedent for a great firewall of our own.

    • CharlesDarwin@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      6 days ago

      It’s better if one of donnie’s buttboys/buttgals run every aspect of major media outlets in this country. And if they are not run directly by someone that is ideologically devoted to the felon in chief, they should at least bend the knee every once in a while and pay him tribute for their “crimes” of accurate reporting.

  • KneeTitts@lemmy.worldEnglish
    47·
    6 days ago

    How is this NOT government censorship? How is this NOT a direct violation of everyone’s freedom of speech rights???

    edit: yes I Know tikkk tokkk is a private company, but they are doing the censorship at the direction of, and for the benefit of the white house.

    • underisk@lemmy.ml
      5·
      6 days ago

      On March 13, 2024, the United States House of Representatives passed the Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act (PAFACA) with largely bipartisan support from Democratic and Republican representatives.[21][22] It would ban operations related to the app completely within the country unless ByteDance makes a qualified divestiture as determined by the US president.

      It’s is explicitly government censorship and the power to do this was granted to the president by a bill passed under and signed by Biden (just before they lost the election)

    • Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      2·
      6 days ago

      That’s the neat part, it is, but nothing matters if it isn’t enforced, and Nazis own everything

  • Pacattack57@lemmy.world
    30·
    6 days ago

    I have had every single comment of these two photos removed and threatened with a ban. They are actively trying to suppress this.

    • mycodesucks@lemmy.world
      31·
      6 days ago

      On the negative side…

      People who have lived half a decade on algorithm-fed short-form video feeds are not looking to replace it with text message boards and still image memes.

      They’re going to stay exactly where they are and just have the nutrient mix of the IV adjusted.

    • MeThisGuy@feddit.nl
      3·
      6 days ago

      and you think those TucTuc users with an attention span of 15 seconds will be able to figure out how to get the best out of the plethora the decentralized Fediverse has to offer?

      fuck, for most beginners learning what instances federate with which other ones is a tough learning curve.

      I’d trust Redditurds more, until they can’t find the same subreddits because no-one has created them yet and no one seems to want to be a mod for free (well except them).

      at least here most mods get recognition and aren’t tied to a corporate platform.

      and do we even want TucTuckers here?

      • dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works
        3·
        6 days ago

        Why would you need to know who federated where? Are you expecting that they have communities and instances they want to make sure they can view from just one account before they even switch?

        Just pick an instance, live the life, and create another account if you want one. All you really need is instance-wide blocking and the rest doesn’t really matter.

      • bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works
        1·
        6 days ago

        Yeah the damage has been done. Half these kids lives have been spent on short form brain rot. There is no going back. Its a generation of idiots.

        • mycodesucks@lemmy.world
          2·
          6 days ago

          Well, like in any generation, there is a certain percentage of highly motivated, cream of the crop kids who will rise above it and succeed at becoming well-informed despite everything.

          The real danger is the AVERAGE capability of those who DON’T seek better will crater, and in a democratic system, the capability of your system isn’t based on your top geniuses, it’s based on your average citizen. We’re going to have the most brilliant, capable generation of top minds the world has ever seen at the mercy of completely irrational fools ruled by dopamine and novelty.

          …so in that sense, I guess it’s not really all that different from now.

  • DarkFuture@lemmy.worldEnglish
    26·
    6 days ago

    Newest inductee to the Dead App Club.

    The fascists will descend upon it. It will turn to garbage. The only value in staying will be to study what incels are like close up.

    As an older millennial who was around when all this social media bullshit started, I’ve accepted that attending app funerals is a normal part of life and there’s always a new app to move on to. Not a big deal.

  • mechoman444@lemmy.world
    17·
    6 days ago

    I downloaded tiktok when it first came out scrolled through it for a while. Realized there was no porn on it and then uninstalled it.

  • Jaysyn@lemmy.world
    7·
    5 days ago

    Why are you still using Tik-Tok.

    You know it’s compromised, yet still try to make it work.