Arizona Attorney General Kris Mayes said during an interview that residents could fire upon ICE agents who are masked if they feel they are in danger.

A masked guy breaks down your door w/o an Article III warrant absent exigent circumstances? Yeah, I’d agree. Trick will be that pressing the murder charge would be federal since a federal agent dies in the line of official work (though illegal), which would give the president grounds to push for death.

  • pjwestin@lemmy.world
    81·
    1 month ago

    Trick will be that pressing the murder charge would be federal since a federal agent dies in the line of official work (though illegal), which would give the president grounds to push for death.

    Federal prosecutors are having a real tough time getting juries to convict, and sometimes even indict, citizens accused of assaulting ICE and CBP agents. They have 30 cases against Chicago residents, and so far they’re 0 for 15. They couldn’t get a felony indictment for the sandwich-throwing guy in DC, so they went for a misdemeanor; he was aquitted despite clearly having done it. It is not at all clear to me that the feds could get a conviction for killing someone during what is, legally, a home invasion.

    (This is not an incitement of violence towards any federal agents, nor am I advocating for anyone to break any state or federal laws. To any FBI agents reading this, I think you’re very smart and handsome.)

  • ClassStruggle@lemmy.mlEnglish
    36·
    1 month ago

    Texas says if I feel threatened on my property, in my car, or at my job, I can shoot first and ask questions later. As a minority I don’t have the luxury of time to determine if you are a threat to my existence.

  • Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    17·
    1 month ago

    These cowards come in heavily armed a dozen at once. Even if you manage to shoot one, you’re as good as dead when the others start firing back.

      • kreskin@lemmy.world
        1·
        1 month ago

        I think its very likely that there wont be another election where they voluntarily relinquish even a tiny bit of power. Even if we have an election it’ll be purely for show.

    • obvs@lemmy.world
      12·
      1 month ago

      Sure.

      Except if everyone they’re doing this to did the same thing, that would be one less coward every time there was one less victim.

      And the country would run out of cowards before it ran out of victims.

        • obvs@lemmy.world
          3·
          1 month ago

          I’m not saying go out and shoot people. Hell no. I just want out of the country. I am not interested in being a fighter. My best advice is to do whatever you can to stay safe. I have ZERO fantasies of shooting ANYONE. The Federal Government’s own training when you’re being pursued is 1. Run, 2. Hide. 3. Fight. I ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS recommend avoiding conflict whenever possible and to be as far away from conflict as possible.

          That being said, I am someone who’s trained with a firearm, and I’m the kind of person who can shoot a target multiple times and leave a single hole. I am also someone who has experienced having a team with multiple high-powered rifles with scopes trained on me at the same time. No, I’m not a criminal. It was a SWAT team and a case of mistaken identity, and you better DAMN well believe that my cool head and capable handling of the situation at the time resulted in me de-escalating the situation and being here today.

          But if someone’s breaking down your door (and I’m not specifically referring to ICE) and you’re pretty sure you’re going to die regardless of whether it’s in your home or wherever they’re going to take you next, I think it might be feasible for a significant number of people to hit a single person. It wouldn’t just be one less person doing that to one victim, but that one less person doing it to many many other victims and potential victims.

          I want to be perfectly clear. I have no intention of shooting anyone. And I’m not someone who’s likely to be targeted.

          There aren’t millions of people busting down doors. Most of those people busting into people’s homes and doing this stuff are people who have done this to more than one person.

          I am in NO way advocating believing that you’re some kind of vigilante and going out to hurt ANYONE right now. And I very much AM advocating running and getting out if at all possible.

          PLEASE get out, if you can.

          But if people react when their home is invaded, I understand it.

          • kreskin@lemmy.world
            5·
            1 month ago

            I’m the kind of person who can shoot a target multiple times and leave a single hole.

            I gotta call BS. Such people dont actually exist when you’re talking multiple shots. Unless you count tightly grouped holes that roughly overlap but also expand the “single” hole. Its extraorindarily remotely possible for it to happen once.

        • shaw@slrpnk.net
          1·
          1 month ago

          There’s a reason why the left always ridiculed the right’s fantasies of resisting the government with weapons.

    • Gammelfisch@lemmy.world
      2·
      1 month ago

      Cowards, yes! 90% of them will shit their pants and shoot themselves or team kill. They chickened out of military service and are too stupid to become police officers.

  • Gammelfisch@lemmy.world
    16·
    1 month ago

    The only problem I see, when the MAGA fucknut ICE goons assault a MAGA fucknut minority home owner, are the stray bullets zipping all over place. Yep, it’s going to be a Cluster Fuck.

    • BanMe@lemmy.world
      2·
      1 month ago

      Given how these days, simply ringing a doorbell (usually a geezer) s enough to get you shot to death, I am surprised it’s not happened yet.

  • bigmamoth@lemmy.world
    10·
    1 month ago

    just need someone to try and find out. Guys, im trolling ? Like hello in what world you shoot police and think your in the right ?

    guys ?

    im serious dont be dumb

    • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      1 month ago

      I cant remember the full details, but I do recall there was years ago where police busted into a house without a warrant (wrong house or something), didnt identify themselves, and the home owner… who I think was former military? Opened fire and took several of them out.

      and was found innocent in the resulting trial.

      • obvs@lemmy.world
        1·
        1 month ago

        But even better than that, he lived through the initial encounter and made it to the trial.

      • bigmamoth@lemmy.world
        1·
        1 month ago

        something to do with identification, the fact you have saw them. Even if i was swat i wouldnt really like to burst in the home of a veterant withou making them known im law enforcement. You have sevral story like that. They doesnt apply to ice. I was trolling. Dont try to use violence and force against ice.

    • aesthelete@lemmy.world
      2·
      1 month ago

      Kenneth Walker shot police and Kenneth Walker was not only in the right, he was adjudicated on the matter and found not guilty by a jury of his peers:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Breonna_Taylor

      Masked, warrantless federal thugs that are indistinguishable from home invaders will eventually be shot or even killed. There are reasons that the police operate the way they do, and they are usually not out of the good of their heart.