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    “Get the illegals out” is and always was a dog whistle for “get the brown people out”

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    And they dare call everyone else uncivilised, and third world countries, and Jesus this and Jesus that, while at the same time protecting pedophiles, attacking and killing their own, they are simply the epitome of degeneration, stupidity and barbaric behaviour of our generation, technology and wealth are never the measure of civilisation…Fuck this shit hole of a country

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    Can you imagine how stupid and ignorant you have to be to think that a Native American is somehow not a citizen of the land that they have lived in and on for a thousand years or more? Whereas most of these dipshits people haven’t been here for more than two hundred years or so. Of course some of them could be degenerate mayflowers.

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    If anyone is interested in the liberation of American Indians/First Nations I encourage you to get a copy and read “Custer Died for Your Sins” today!


    Also, if you don’t want to be a colonizer, the first step is to actually study the history of the people in your local region. The history of indigenous people and settlers is not necessarily separate, but intertwined.

    In order to stand together with tribes, most of whom gave been held in poverty and disrespected (and worse!) by the United States, it is important to thoroughly understand the topics at hand so we can bring about the proper restitution. Despite the efforts of settlers to erase these people and their history, we have the opportunity to stand with them and write a new chapter.

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      I mean the “kavanaugh stop” came out of this. So yes, it was always about racism

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        Terrorise brown people. It doesn’t matter if they end up being released, they were locked up for 3 weeks, probably beaten up a couple of times - when they’re released the jobs been done. For now, until it gets worse. It can always get worse.

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        They’ve been sending people with no history in Africa to camps in fucking Djibouti, what makes you think that they won’t do the same to Native Americans?

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        First concentration camps (“immigration detention centers”), then labor camps (“for-profit prisons”) if you’re lucky, death camps (“CECOT” or similar) otherwise.

        First for immigrants because it’s easy to justify, then any non-whites because they’re easy to target, then the dissident whites because nobody else is there to speak out.

        They have been testing the waters for this (including sending US citizens to foreign death camps) for a year now.

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      I don’t think you meant it that way, but there are many many lands that belong to American Indians, but are not federally recognized due to:

      • never having been ceded in a treaty
      • the US government outright breaking the treaty

      I’m also down to go with “all the land is theirs regardless as the treaties were signed under duress”.

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    This situation is really upsetting tribal leaders in Minnesota are saying ICE has been stopping and detaining Native Americans who are already U.S. citizens, and they’re calling it racial profiling and a violation of treaty rights. Indigenous officials are pointing out that tribal members have been citizens far longer than the United States has even existed, and they don’t fall under immigration enforcement jurisdiction. They’ve made it clear that their citizenship isn’t negotiable and are demanding answers and the release of anyone wrongly held. Many lawmakers and advocates are calling this a civil-rights issue, and it’s sparked serious outrage in the community

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      tribal members have been citizens far longer than the United States has even existed

      I understand the point you are making here, although I want to add that most American Indians were not United States citizens until 1924.

      The United States is not their country, but a force that is occupying their land. It is more complicated than that, but it needs to be a part of the conversation, in my opinion.

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    mfw the US government can perform secret assassinations and kidnapping on foreign soil with high precision, but can’t for the love of god distinguish between Latin Americans and Native Americans.

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      Partially because most Latin Americans have indigenous roots, not that there aren’t white Mexicans or what have you. Since they are often victimized disproportionately in their home countries, many central and south Americans who migrate have indigenous backgrounds. So in a sense, it’s twice as bad as you’d think at first glance.

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    The fascist don’t follow the rules.

    So yea, first they came for the easy pickings and you didn’t fight back. So they’re getting more emboldened.

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      Latina america has a heavy influence by Spain, Portuquese and France colonist. So similary like north america, while there are indigenous people, lots of them are decendents of colonizers, so you cant just compare Latinos to Native Americans.

      Edit; i fight the urge to change the comment, but i decited to leave it as is. User Formfiller has two excelent links in their comment that contradicts my comment and proofs that geneticaly people are still mostly indigenous in latin america even if not culturaly.

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        In My research I found that you are incorrect. The two peer reviewed studies I have for you today indicate that 90% of the population of Mexico does indeed have strong genetic ties to the indigenous population of the Americas. If you need further evidence please let me know. The fact you’re being upvoted for misinformation makes me think this platform is going downhill. Furthermore, deporting people indigenous to the Americas while claiming some divine right by race( as this administration is doing) doesn’t hold up when you consider that the people they are deporting are indigenous to the Americas

        https://aztec.style/are-mexicans-native-american-mexican-people-origins-truth/

        https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8467843/

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          Thank you. These were good reads. Especially the later one.

          There were two quotes in the later one that are especially intresting.

          First from the introduction: In all statistics, around 85–95% of people identified themselves as a mixture of Amerindian and European ancestry, widely called “Mestizos” in the literature, as opposed to the autochthonous population defined by their surviving culture, language, tradition, oral history, and customs.

          And another from the conclusion: The findings confirm that the genetic impact of European conquest was small in terms of maternal lineage introgression, and the changes in population structure that followed have likely not substantially changed the ample pre-Columbian pattern of mtDNA variation in Mexico.

          So basically people are more or less genetically indigenous, but culturally dont consider themself as one. This makes my head hurt, because im not qualified enough to decite which matter more, the genetics or how they percive them selfs. In any way its clear that colonism had huge effect.

          I also want to point out that i did not take any stand in the matter of deportations, but if you want one, mine is that any country has a right to deport illegal aliens, but i think the way your current goverment is doing it right now is horrendeus. Just because you are illegal imigrant does not mean you dont deserve to be treated like human. Also fuck ICE. They are acting straight like natzies were.

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      Not really, but kinda. The Spaniards came over, met the Mayans, and together they became Mexicans. (No, I’m not being completely serious)

      The reality is that the lines between ethnicities are very muddy and blurry and in the end makes ZERO sense to box everyone into those containers.