At least for the pockets thing it’s a difference between what women think they want and what they actually want. When most women say they want pants with pockets, what they mean is pants that look the same as the ones they already have, but also with pockets. That’s impossible to make, so women are forced to choose between tight pants that highlight their figure and pockets and they choose the former. As for bras, after a quick google my less than educated guess is that because bigger bras have rapidly increased in demand in the past two decades (and even then many wear bras that are too small), at the turn of the century business execs were right to consider bigger bras to be a marginal market with no point in worrying too much about it. Now, however, they’re just out of touch. If I’m right hopefully this will correct itself once someone wakes up to the business opportunity.
I don’t necessarily think you’re point is even wrong, but please know “it’s a difference between what women think they want and what they actually want” is so unbelievably condescending. Perhaps focus more on the difficulties of tailoring and less on deciding for women how they feel?
That’s a fair point, I could’ve said that in a less condescending way, but “customers don’t know what they want” is an important piece of the puzzle here.
I’ve not seen womens pants available with larger pockets and non-form fitting. I’m not sure you can say it’s just a choice issue when the choice would be to just buy mens pants instead.
My source here is basically Reddit so I’m not sure how true this is, but I’ve heard multiple times that businessmen occasionally try to invest in women’s pants with pockets but they don’t get enough demand to make a profit. There are still some who have managed to make money this way so there are places that sell pants with pockets, but it’s a small market. And no, I have no idea what those places are.
I think the problem is that the vast vast majority of women’s clothing, especially fast fashion, lacks pockets of good size (or any at all). The smaller places that make garments with good pockets are usually priced higher because they’re inherently not targeting the mass market (because they can’t compete with the big companies, so their only hope is to carve out a niche in the high quality domain)
I mean, customers not knowing what they want is a thing. When someone says “I’d like it if this thing had that functionality,” they’re not necessarily considering all the externalities that might make their preference less desirable. What women have now sucks, but according to a large majority the alternative sucks even more, so the status quo persists.
Aren’t women’s pants (other than leggings) with pockets very rare? How do you even have enough of a sample size to draw conclusions about this? Besides, women who decide (or never got to decide) against getting pants aith pockets wouldn’t complain about the pockets, would they?
Pants often have pockets, but too small even for a normal sized wallet, or a smaller phone. And women who buy pants with shitty pockets absolutely complain about the pockets. Literally just this week, I complimented someone on her handbag, and she thanked me, and proceeded to complain about shitty pockets that necessitate having bags (she wished that she had good pockets, because then having a nice bag could be a deliberate, aesthetic choice, rather than a necessity.
Pants are generally crap, but they’re not the only thing that can have pockets: skirts and dresses can too. I love how often I compliment someone on their dress, and they put their hands in their pockets and say “Thanks! It has pockets!”. When I first saw this meme, I was delighted to see someone describing the exact same thing that I love seeing. Every time I see that posted, I see loads of people commenting on agreement. There is a truly incredible amount of solidarity in the experience of shitty pockets on women’s clothes. When we do find clothes with good pockets, it’s so exciting that we can’t wait to share that fact with anyone who compliments us on the outfit.
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At least for the pockets thing it’s a difference between what women think they want and what they actually want. When most women say they want pants with pockets, what they mean is pants that look the same as the ones they already have, but also with pockets. That’s impossible to make, so women are forced to choose between tight pants that highlight their figure and pockets and they choose the former. As for bras, after a quick google my less than educated guess is that because bigger bras have rapidly increased in demand in the past two decades (and even then many wear bras that are too small), at the turn of the century business execs were right to consider bigger bras to be a marginal market with no point in worrying too much about it. Now, however, they’re just out of touch. If I’m right hopefully this will correct itself once someone wakes up to the business opportunity.
I don’t necessarily think you’re point is even wrong, but please know “it’s a difference between what women think they want and what they actually want” is so unbelievably condescending. Perhaps focus more on the difficulties of tailoring and less on deciding for women how they feel?
That’s a fair point, I could’ve said that in a less condescending way, but “customers don’t know what they want” is an important piece of the puzzle here.
I’ve not seen womens pants available with larger pockets and non-form fitting. I’m not sure you can say it’s just a choice issue when the choice would be to just buy mens pants instead.
My source here is basically Reddit so I’m not sure how true this is, but I’ve heard multiple times that businessmen occasionally try to invest in women’s pants with pockets but they don’t get enough demand to make a profit. There are still some who have managed to make money this way so there are places that sell pants with pockets, but it’s a small market. And no, I have no idea what those places are.
I think the problem is that the vast vast majority of women’s clothing, especially fast fashion, lacks pockets of good size (or any at all). The smaller places that make garments with good pockets are usually priced higher because they’re inherently not targeting the mass market (because they can’t compete with the big companies, so their only hope is to carve out a niche in the high quality domain)
Every time the pockets-in-pants thing comes up:
Women in the comments: OMG yes please what we have now sucks
Men in the comments: well acktually…
I mean, customers not knowing what they want is a thing. When someone says “I’d like it if this thing had that functionality,” they’re not necessarily considering all the externalities that might make their preference less desirable. What women have now sucks, but according to a large majority the alternative sucks even more, so the status quo persists.
I have literally never heard a woman complain about having reasonably sized pockets.
Aren’t women’s pants (other than leggings) with pockets very rare? How do you even have enough of a sample size to draw conclusions about this? Besides, women who decide (or never got to decide) against getting pants aith pockets wouldn’t complain about the pockets, would they?
Pants often have pockets, but too small even for a normal sized wallet, or a smaller phone. And women who buy pants with shitty pockets absolutely complain about the pockets. Literally just this week, I complimented someone on her handbag, and she thanked me, and proceeded to complain about shitty pockets that necessitate having bags (she wished that she had good pockets, because then having a nice bag could be a deliberate, aesthetic choice, rather than a necessity.
Pants are generally crap, but they’re not the only thing that can have pockets: skirts and dresses can too. I love how often I compliment someone on their dress, and they put their hands in their pockets and say “Thanks! It has pockets!”. When I first saw this meme, I was delighted to see someone describing the exact same thing that I love seeing. Every time I see that posted, I see loads of people commenting on agreement. There is a truly incredible amount of solidarity in the experience of shitty pockets on women’s clothes. When we do find clothes with good pockets, it’s so exciting that we can’t wait to share that fact with anyone who compliments us on the outfit.