US President Donald Trump’s abduction of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro on January 3 has emboldened him to proceed with the annexation of Greenland, a Danish-owned, self-governed territory, spelling the effective end of NATO and furthering Russia’s war aims in Ukraine, experts tell Al Jazeera.
“The move on Venezuela illustrates the Trump administration’s determination to dominate the Western Hemisphere – of which Greenland geographically is a part,” said Anna Wieslander, Northern Europe director for the Atlantic Council, a think tank.
“If the United States decides to attack another NATO country, then everything would stop – that includes NATO and therefore post-World War II security,” Frederiksen said.
“The pandering to Trump has been an element of our strategy over the last year, leaving observers hoping, but not entirely trusting, that another element of the strategy is preparing urgently for the final rupture with the United States,” Giles said.
Giles told Al Jazeera that Europe’s best option was to place a military deterrent on Greenland now, believing that putting allied troops in the Baltic States and Poland after 2017 deterred a Russian attack there.
End of NATO means:
- Russia will go all in in Ukraine, Moldavia and baltic states
- Turkey and Greece will go to war.
- Israel will bomb everybody just in case
- China will get Taiwan
- USA will bomb Mexico
- Israel will nuke someone
- …
And this is why billionaires have been building bunkers.
\7. France nukes everyone. (That’s their policy, anyone uses nukes, they launch everything they have against all nuclear powers, which isn’t a lot, but that’s a lot of major cities gone.)
Isn’t that Israel’s nuclear doctrine?
Yea, it is. Not true of France.
Officially Israel “doesn’t have nukes,” unofficially they have very few that could be used in short order before they are nuked. They don’t have the capability to nuke more than a few countries in the Middle East
That’s not an answer to my question. What you described sounds most like Israel’s Samson Option and not anything like I’ve ever heard of France’s nuclear doctrine.
Israel doesn’t have the capability to deliver. That’s about as useful as saying North Korea will nuke everyone. They literally can’t.
France adopted the policies I listed, with some small nuance in the 1970s and haven’t changed their stance.
Source ?
I can’t find the articles that I read about this, but if you look up their nuclear policies, they won’t use in first strike scenarios, but the will use for defensive strikes, which amounts to exactly what I said. In defensive scenarios, someone else already used them, so may as well unload your entire stockpile. Everyone else is going to unload theirs.
Just for reference the US, Russia, and China have similar contingencies. Once Israel or anyone launches a nuke or uses a bomb in very short order all the stockpiles get emptied. France just was pretty blatant about it in the '70s.
The fucking Muscovites will attack Poland to take the Sulwalki Gap and Finland to control their former vassal state.
Why can’t NATO still exist without the US? The alliance could still stick together even if the US shits the bed. God damn why am I typing this? WW3 is about to start and I have no idea what the fuck is going on in my country anymore.
Challenging, but not impossible. I think the military budget of all other NATO members combined would just be about the same as the US. However, it’s not like every country has its own independent “mix of everything”; they are supposed to work supplemental. What makes things worse is proprietary hardware and software in modern equipment such as planes. I’m not sure to which degree it would even be technically possible to use it to defend against the USA.
Then there is the nuclear weapon problem. France and UK would have to really stand their ground and follow through with nuclear retaliation. That means that even when the USA or Russia just use a small tactical nuke in Poland, Greenland or wherever, they’d have to use one of their few strategic nukes to destroy something big, possibly dooming Paris. The downside of the idea of mutually assured destruction always was that it only works with somewhat reasonable people who REALLY are not willing to take their entire civilisation with them. But since Stalin, there have never been nutjobs like Trump or Putin in charge, neither in the USSR, nor US, nor Russia.
A victorious Ukraine would certainly be an incredible asset to have in NATO, with all those battle-hardened, highly educated people.
But all things considered, might as well give it a try.
NATO won’t end, only the US being part of NATO will end.
In fact if NATO didn’t already exist, something just like it would be formed if the US starts invading countries just because a crazy old man thinks the world map is a colouring book.
The crazy old man is a reflection of all Americans. That’s how most Americans see the world. 1 American life is worth 10,000 third world country lives.
Please stop vilifying the entirety of America. There are millions of us that are doing everything we can to organize against this while also feeding our families.
Yeah well y’all need to understand there are people in Venezuela and Greenland that are just trying to feed their families.
If Trump attacks my country I’ll need to be capable of going to war against your country. And that demands considering you to be nothing more than collateral damage if you happen to be in the wrong place at that wrong time. Just like those 100 people he killed in Venezuela.
If Trump carries out some of the threats he’s making right now, you’ll need to get used to being vilified. The rest of the world may need to burn your country to the ground, and we can’t let feelings get in the way of what must be done to prevent him from destroying our countries.
You shouldn’t be surprised when people have the same consideration for your life as Americans generally have for the lives in countries you go to war with.
Don’t spend any more time telling people to not “vilify” Americans, spend more time trying to make it so America is not the villain. We aren’t making you the villains, the actions of your President is making you the villains of the world.
Wow alright, fuck you too then I guess?
Yeah, an innocent American “just tying to feed his family” LOL.
No one needs to “vilify” you. You’re always ready to be villains with very little prompting.
All I’m seeing is another “fuck you, my needs are the only thing that matter” MAGA-type in your responses. Way to be part of the problem. You’re no different than Trump’s supporters. You just have the benefit of not being born here.
You’re country is falling apart and instead of doing something about it, you’re looking for someone else to blame.
It isn’t people from other countries that fucked up your country. You’re fucked because Americans were willing to vote in a fascist because you believe the “I’m just trying to feed my family” line of bullshit justifies your raw greed.
You’re the wealthiest country in the world, and you voted for Trump (or didn’t vote at all) because you believed it would make you rich. And you sure as hell didn’t want to vote for the black lady. But sure blame the black lady, blame everyone in the world, do everything you have to do to avoid responsibility. American culture is rotten to the core, and you’re incapable of understanding that.
You got a pass on a lot of your bullshit when you were an ally to other countries. That’s over now.
Germany needs to boot the US out of all the military installations there.
The pandering to Trump has been an element of our strategy over the last year
Gonna keep spamming this cuz I made it a year ago and it sat in a random folder on my PC for the perfect time lol
If it really happens, shut down all the US military installations in Europe and European territories. The Red Coats should tell the US to leave Diego Garcia too.
They can’t even shut down the base in Greenland. There’s a reason DeGaulle kicked the US out in 1966. And why Okinawa residents have been lobbying to shut down the local base for decades.
Europeans have been under military occupation since the end of WW2, telling themselves the gun pointed at the back of their heads was aimed at the USSR, even after it dissolved.
Now they’re going to have to deal with a foreign hostile occupation whose roots have grown deep
Some countries in Europe are starting to, and given what Europe is, that’s probably the best they can start doing.
At least because they made sure to show us their hand at their latest sonic weapons and information warfare used to shut down weapons that was used in the Venezuela attack. They would probably go the same route with Europe, trying to behead whatever strategic target is going to get them what they want, because they can’t go for a prolonged conflict either.
I think EU should cut off US completely and BRICS should form then EU and BRICS should do trade. Ban all US social media and boycott anything that’s made in US
BRICS is just a propaganda thing, it’s all it will ever really be. Most trade happens between countries near to one another, though sometimes there’s cultural similarities countries can come together on. The BRICS countries are all over the world, they all speak different languages and have very different political systems and interests.
Brazil is a democracy in South America Russia is a fascist regime in Europe and Asia India is a democracy in Central Asia China is a fascist regime (that pretends to be communist) in Asia South Africa is a democracy in Africa
Some of these countries have more trade and closer relations with western countries than with each other. China and India occasionally exchange gunfire over border disputes. Brazil has other trade agreements in South America which are way more meaningful. South Africa is similar.
It’s just some fantasy of internet contrarians that have fallen for the “liberal democracies are bad actually” bullshit and want some weird group of countries that are going to… well no one knows.
And LOL at the EU wanting to do trade with Russia right now. Did you even think about what that R in BRICS stood for?
There’s one thing common among all of them. They were all exploited by the west.
Russia? China? How?
The British Empire got China addicted to opium to take all their silver. The opium was grown by slaves in India.
Russia, despite being a northern nation, isn’t in the western nations club, because of communist history. Capitalists hate communists because they don’t want to lose power.
So you believe the Trump zero sum game view of the world? Wealth is entirely about resources, and people don’t create value?
I did not say anything like that in my comment above. That’s an entirely new sentence.
The image you posted portrays large pits in some places in the world, with large stacks of resources (gold presumably) in other parts of the world.
That is how Trump understands the world. You seem to think the same way.
What you’re both missing is the fact that people create value. Gold doesn’t actually improve people’s lives, it’s the products and services that are produced by people that make your life better. Your understanding of economics is out of date by about two and a half centuries.
Europe just finally signed a deal with Mercosur (that’s the B in BRICS). Europe is also negotiating one with India. And it’s increasing sanctions against Russia. BRICS is just an annual show off conference with zero substance.
I knew this would happen eventually, I just thought it would happen after my lifetime
Experts… who the fuck are these experts.
They’re not experts they’re just some random
think tankmilane actors with a political goal which means they’re just arrogant people who like telling everybody else what to do largely with zero qualifications.
Putin is a genius
I think it’s more that Americans are stupid.
Putins had his hand in ensuring that happened for the latest generation as well.
It was Americans that created a culture where people will believe anything as long certain symbols are referenced. Throw in a flag or a cross and they’ll believe any bullshit.
Americans made themselves stupid, Putin just exploited that stupidity.
And he played their stupidity just right.
Russia just employed a firehose of falsehood tactic. That could only achieve a low level distrust of government and institutions. It was American social media algorithms that matched up the falsehoods to the people that would believe them and presented people with an endless stream of false but consistent information. I don’t think the social media companies were colluding with Russia (that would be evil but not stupid) they were just maximizing profits for the shareholders without any consideration for how what they were doing would negatively impact society.
What Glavset did wouldn’t have been impactful had it not been for the stupid greed that permeates American culture. It’s still happening, though obviously Russia is less of a factor, and it’s more China and Iran doing these things now. Though Iran is less significant than China and may be out of play soon enough. But the damage is done and the US will never fully recover.
Yep, he played everyone perfectly. Used economical ambition to neutralize Germany, nationalism to defeat UK and stupidity to take over US.
They are a nation who stereotypically love playing chess…
He could have waited a few more years before his special military operation for his Trojan horse to get back into office. Wouldn’t call him a genius entirely.
but it was just three days to kyiv
Prepare yourself. Go buy a good quality action camera.
with lots of film. get the high speed stuff, to shoot all the “action”.
I don’t think NATO is going to end, I think what’s going to happen is NATO is going to turn on America if Greenland gets annexed. That is how I think World War III is going to start.
Agreed NATO will go on without the US.
I’m one of those experts but I’ve been saying Europe should prepare for end of NATO ever since Trump won for the first time.
