It doesn’t even necessarily matter what she was or wasn’t. It’s kind of irrelevant.
She tried to wave a car by, like we’ve all done a million times, then two MASKED MEN got out of their UNMARKED TRUCK holding GUNS and one tried to REACH INTO HER VEHICLE TO OPEN THE DOOR.
The fuck would you do?
They weren’t there for her. They had no reason to interact with her.
She could have had a rap sheet a mile long, doesn’t matter.
Just like poor George Floyd
Yeah the nazi’s on my local nextdoor keep calling her a “paid anti-ice demostrator” or that she is a paid antifa actress or some BS.
They refuse to use their eyes and ears and just stay in their fantasy land of unseasoned meals and fox news.
They are evil and stupid, there’s not much else to say, they welcome violence because they can’t do anything else that makes any difference with their miserable lives
You know, if being opposed to masked government murderers stalking your neighborhood makes you an “activist” then we need to ask some serious questions about the state of “journalism” these days.
Journalism? In America?
Nah, dawg.
Who cares if she was an activist. Nothing what happened that day merits an execution.
The administration is characterizing her as an activist and an agitator, in order to try to retroactively justify her killing.
This story is putting the lie to that statement.
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Our problem is the mainstream media that most of America gets their news and information from are all bought by the same donor-class that owns the government, and they are RIGHT NOW having “experts” on the daytime talk shows and news programs telling viewers that Good struck an agent with her car and that “maybe” “some” of the gunshots to her head were unnecessary but that more investigation is needed.
Do not trust that people will use their eyes. People don’t see with their eyes. All of our perceptions of the world are filtered through our feelings, and for most people, it feels too inconvenient to believe this horrendous act was what it actually was, because that would mean having to do something, having to sacrifice time and energy to get involved, to seek justice.
Nobody wants to do that anymore. People want to hide inside and scroll.
Fully agree. Even if she wpuld have been an activist fleeing from the place.
Your instinct should not be to murder the person.
In any other countries, there are warning shots fired first, then they shoot at the wheels, then they try to detain the car by using own cars. There is no way the right thing to do is to murder someone in the head as a first response.
Yeah the right to be an activist is one of our most foundational rights as Americans.
incorrect
the murderer who puts himself in harm’s way, got out of that way, and then pulled a gun and shot a woman in the face, that deserves execution
According to the “expert” they had on Good Morning America, the ICE agent was “struck” by Good’s vehicle, but it’s actually only the second and third gunshots to this innocent woman’s head that were not justified.
I hope you all have a high tolerance for rage-inducing injustice, because this is going to be one of those “Don’t Look Up” moments where half the world is told to just LOOK AT THE FUCKING VIDEO and people will ignore you and form movements to NOT look at the video.
I have no perscription or advice how to deal with this. But I do know it’s going to get a LOT worse before it starts to get better and we may not all see that day.
Hopefully the only way it gets worse will be a bunch of people getting together to do things like this. Oh darn, apparently mods deleted it. But it was a logical comment that proposed a logical solution.
Fun Fact, if you hit the drop-down by the breadcrumbs under a username you can read a user’s moderation history and see what they said that got removed 🤓
While morally I cannot agree with the take, I would LOVE to see people even halfway motivated to take their marches directly to the seats of power. There are only a couple dozen thousand ICE agents in the whole country, we outnumber them by MILLIONS and could literally drag them off the streets, pull off their gear and tie them up and like, stash them in our basements with a bike lock around the neck Breaking Bad style and stop the injustice tomorrow if we all unified. (We feed them sandwiches on plastic plates though, lesson learned.)
Mmm sandwiches you say? You’re almost makin’ me want to join ice 😋
I will only feed my agent cheap ass bologna with too much mustard and a single, small wilted lettuce leaf.
Ok nevermind. I don’t wanna be an ICEman anymore.
If ya’ll are hoping “this is it” and that we’re going to see any kind of justice, I’m sorry to tell you that this will also blow over after you read and hear some of the most vile, lying bullshit you can imagine.
I mean, unless everyone actually does something, but half of this country is still to scared to piss off the other half.
I’m really tired of this attitude.
Who would have thought that giving a bunch of barely literate bigots guns, and telling them they can do anything they want without consequences, would lead to one of those power tripping bigots murdering somebody for absolutely no fucking reason?
This was totally unforeseeable.
Her ex-husband said “she was a loving mother and poet who had just dropped her young son off at school”
Her mother called her “one of the kindest people I’ve ever known.” Vice President JD Vance said she was part of “a broader left-wing network to attack and to doxx and to assault and to make it impossible for our ICE officers to do their jobs.”It’s not out of character for kind loving mothers to be antifascist.
It’s also Vance talking out his ass. This administration completely 1984’s everything at this point and Big Brother tells you what they want your reality to be.
Remember, this didn’t just happen. It was brought about by tech billionaires backing Trump, each paying him 1 million dollars just to stand behind him on inauguration day, by the Heritage foundation, by wealthy people like JD Vance, and the rest of the administration. This was enabled by a class of people without morals and compassion, who do not care for your country.
That’s why I spent a lot of time last year quitting all US services including reddit. I encourage everyone here to do the same.
US tech companies don’t get another dime from me.
I sold my US based stocks at the start of this administration and put what little money I had in European defense companies. It’s been a good decision so far.
I feel a bit hypocritical, but as someone who is in a US Colony with disdain towards remilitarization and concerns of situation wirsening; what are some good things to back?
In also moving towards a Post-Imperial internet, and haven’t really given then a dime, besides my data when I was none the wiser. Now that I’m more are, I always try to go for more ecological, environmental or good-for-community entities.
Green energy B-corps or nonprofits, mutual aid and union organizing organizations, sustainable tech B-corps, medicine and research groups. This list isn’t only for investment. I understand that to some degree people want to support things while building a portfolio, but there are some things there just for donations and support.
Can you recommend such companies?
Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Northrup Grumman
What? Those are all US companies contracted with the US government, what are you talking about?
I understand the reluctance to demilitarize, but… what’s the alternative? The Regime has made it crystal clear, they have said it in plain English while being recorded, that they are going to escalate the violence including toward NATO allies.
Assuming the US isn’t able to get him under control, which has certainly been true so far, then the only courses of action available to world powers are to fight back or to bend the knee.
NATO? Allies? NATO is long past dead - USA isn’t going to anyone’s aid. And the nearest to an ally - that’d be Russia.
Saying “NATO allies” is a lot easier than listing a bunch of countries, and it communicates what I want to communicate efficiently.
Not trying to pass judgement on you, but even European defense companies’ hands are not clean because most of them supply arms to Israel. I had stocks in Airbus, until later I found out that one of their American subsidiaries make drones, which are then used to kill civilians in Gaza. If the October 7th hadn’t happen and Israel wasn’t going on full rampage, I would have happily remain investing in European defense companies. My only European defense stock remaining is MTU Aero Engine, which has not grown in the past year but still has potential.
Again, I’m not trying to dissuade you to divest, at the end of the day we just want a comfortable life. I mean, with the growing wealth inequality and inflation, working hard and saving alone isn’t enough to keep us comfortable that’s why we invest. My coworker made money from investing In Palantir but I am not really judging him in spite of controversy with the company.
And the USSR did shitty things to innocent people but the US and UK teamed up with them and sent them supplies and weapons because they had a common enemy.
I’m taking money that was earned in the US, taking it out of the US economy, and giving it to people making weapons that will likely be used against the US at some point in the future. I have no qualms about this, and I would do it even more if I was able, even if it gave me no benefit whatsoever
Same here. I have a million things to buy but I’ll be doing that through other outlets that don’t involve Bezos.
I know most people have already gone over this, but for me it was important to figure out what actually happened. From the article:
Video of the deadly shooting (…) shows agents approaching the woman’s vehicle while she was parked in the middle of the street, demanding “get out of the f*cking car.”
When one of the officers stuck his hands in the car, presumably to shut it off, she tried to swerve and drive away — that’s when one of the agents fired three shots at close range. A video from another angle does show an officer briefly in front of the car as the woman tries to drive away, but he is not in front of the vehicle or in apparent danger of being run over when he shoots the woman.
These goons are hellbent on escalation, and encouraged by their superiors to do so. In fact, that’s their real job.
“Good was new to the area”
She didn’t know the area, had just dropped her kid off at school, got caught up by the Gestapo, got (rightfully) scared, tried to swerve around it all…and then got shot in the head three times.
Oh, and they’ve found out the guys name who did it btw.Jonathan Ross.
Everyone should know.
Being an activist ≠ ok to be killed.
Or am I just being confused by poor wording in title?
The original narrative was that she was a protestor / legal observer. i.e. that she was actively engaged with the ICE activity in some capacity and that she had placed herself in harms way in the course of doing so.
This new information reveals that she was just a normal person going about her normal business before being randomly murdered by ICE.
Neither version says its OK to just murder someone, but the information that she was just a person in the wrong place takes even more out of the narrative that she somehow initiated the encounter at all.
Neither version says its OK to just murder someone,
That’s the issue though and why this is important. The right is using this specific talking point to attempt to justify her murder. This shuts down that narrative immediately and forces people to wrestle with their own lack of humanity.
She wasn’t what they said she was. She was just a mom dropping her kid off at school. Still confused?
In case anyone didn’t see, there were tons of reactionaries online saying that she was an activist and “fuck around and find out” etc. Just the most disgusting craven nonsense imaginable.
I hate my country.
Quick reminder to anyone reading, since the other reply here implied implications about what is to be done: whatever your opinions on violence may be you should never, under any circumstances, suggest that yourself or others should or will commit violent or illegal acts in your own country or countries that your country has extradition treaties with.
The revolution will not happen on Lemmy or any other public forum. You can only hurt yourself and your fellow travelers by posting violent threats or incitement to other illegal activity. Do not post credible threats. The cops can and will show up at your house.
The revolution will not happen on Lemmy or any other public forum.
It’s being live streamed by the revolutionaries themselves on X, Truth Social and whitehouse.gov, though.
Not that I disagree with your wider point.
The revolution will not happen on Lemmy or any other public forum.
It’s being live streamed by the revolutionaries themselves on X, Truth Social and whitehouse.gov, though.
Not that I disagree with your wider point.
Well said. Credible actionable violent rhetoric should not be tolerated. But all the TokTik doublespeak to bypass censorship or dance around an aggressive subject is, quite frankly, intolerable to read anywhere.
Say exactly what the fuck you mean. Stop doing mob-boss speak like Trump does with his lackeys.
The revolution will not happen on Lemmy
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We probably need a new version of that song. People might not listen to the still current message because they think TV is dead.
Brian Jackson did a pretty good update. Check it out!
I hate about thirty million people in this country.
Why such a small number?
🎵 America! FUCK NO!
America’s here to ruin the motherfuckin’ day! 🎵
School? you mean INSTITUTION OF WOKE INDOCTRINATION.
Regardless of what excuse the ICE fascist make, there is ZERO reason he should have pulled out his gun and shot her.
He didn’t want to get run over? Well how is killing the driver going to stop the car from moving?
Yea shits all fucked up with this. I mean when he merced her, as you would expect with somebody already accelerating, she went limp and hammered down into a parked car. If she was trying to hit him when he fired and he was in her line of travel, he would have been split in half as she smacked into whatever’s in front of her. If he feared for his life he would have rolled out of the way and engaged in pursuit after. This is an untrained, trigger happy goon that did not join ice to deport people for any of the right reasons. This is somebody that joined from the get to get “me liberul blood” on their hands with the full backing and faith of the us govt. Not only is it legal for them to take the life of their political opponents, but they make something to the tune of 100k to do it. Calling them political assassins is just being accurate, I mean this pig just did his country a favor by offing a “domestic terrorist” in their eyes.
They’re all untrained goons. Top to bottom. That’s the problem here.
They are hellbent on escalation, not de-escalation - which should always be part of law enforcements job description. This is why this happened, happens, will happen again. Or, as the other reply states “untrained, trigger happy goons”. Who even gave them real guns? Yeah, rhetorical q.
He didn’t want to get run over?
Maybe he shouldn’t have gotten out of his unmarked vehicle wearing a mask and brandishing a weapon and approaching someone’s car and reaching into it to open the door when a woman who was pulling into the street stopped and waved at them to pass.
All good points. You shouldn’t be allowed to detain anybody if you are not properly identified as law enforcement.
Other wise it’s kidnapping and they should be allowed to protect themselves any way possible. I doubt this country will buy that argument though.
The last point is really not an argument - even if he ended up getting killed too. You could, for example, say he wanted to save others and make him an hero.
Maybe. All the comments I see defending him call it self defense. I don’t think anybody was considering she would continue aiming for other ice agents.
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That would be actually a very effective demonstration. Like what would they do? Shooting around and kill civis and ICE solders?
