Remember, this didn’t just happen. It was brought about by tech billionaires backing Trump, each paying him 1 million dollars just to stand behind him on inauguration day, by the Heritage foundation, by wealthy people like JD Vance, and the rest of the administration. This was enabled by a class of people without morals and compassion, who do not care for your country.
That’s why I spent a lot of time last year quitting all US services including reddit. I encourage everyone here to do the same.
US tech companies don’t get another dime from me.
I sold my US based stocks at the start of this administration and put what little money I had in European defense companies. It’s been a good decision so far.
I feel a bit hypocritical, but as someone who is in a US Colony with disdain towards remilitarization and concerns of situation wirsening; what are some good things to back?
In also moving towards a Post-Imperial internet, and haven’t really given then a dime, besides my data when I was none the wiser. Now that I’m more are, I always try to go for more ecological, environmental or good-for-community entities.
Green energy B-corps or nonprofits, mutual aid and union organizing organizations, sustainable tech B-corps, medicine and research groups. This list isn’t only for investment. I understand that to some degree people want to support things while building a portfolio, but there are some things there just for donations and support.
Can you recommend such companies?
Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Northrup Grumman
What? Those are all US companies contracted with the US government, what are you talking about?
I understand the reluctance to demilitarize, but… what’s the alternative? The Regime has made it crystal clear, they have said it in plain English while being recorded, that they are going to escalate the violence including toward NATO allies.
Assuming the US isn’t able to get him under control, which has certainly been true so far, then the only courses of action available to world powers are to fight back or to bend the knee.
NATO? Allies? NATO is long past dead - USA isn’t going to anyone’s aid. And the nearest to an ally - that’d be Russia.
Saying “NATO allies” is a lot easier than listing a bunch of countries, and it communicates what I want to communicate efficiently.
Not trying to pass judgement on you, but even European defense companies’ hands are not clean because most of them supply arms to Israel. I had stocks in Airbus, until later I found out that one of their American subsidiaries make drones, which are then used to kill civilians in Gaza. If the October 7th hadn’t happen and Israel wasn’t going on full rampage, I would have happily remain investing in European defense companies. My only European defense stock remaining is MTU Aero Engine, which has not grown in the past year but still has potential.
Again, I’m not trying to dissuade you to divest, at the end of the day we just want a comfortable life. I mean, with the growing wealth inequality and inflation, working hard and saving alone isn’t enough to keep us comfortable that’s why we invest. My coworker made money from investing In Palantir but I am not really judging him in spite of controversy with the company.
And the USSR did shitty things to innocent people but the US and UK teamed up with them and sent them supplies and weapons because they had a common enemy.
I’m taking money that was earned in the US, taking it out of the US economy, and giving it to people making weapons that will likely be used against the US at some point in the future. I have no qualms about this, and I would do it even more if I was able, even if it gave me no benefit whatsoever
Same here. I have a million things to buy but I’ll be doing that through other outlets that don’t involve Bezos.
Being an activist ≠ ok to be killed.
Or am I just being confused by poor wording in title?
The original narrative was that she was a protestor / legal observer. i.e. that she was actively engaged with the ICE activity in some capacity and that she had placed herself in harms way in the course of doing so.
This new information reveals that she was just a normal person going about her normal business before being randomly murdered by ICE.
Neither version says its OK to just murder someone, but the information that she was just a person in the wrong place takes even more out of the narrative that she somehow initiated the encounter at all.
Neither version says its OK to just murder someone,
That’s the issue though and why this is important. The right is using this specific talking point to attempt to justify her murder. This shuts down that narrative immediately and forces people to wrestle with their own lack of humanity.
She wasn’t what they said she was. She was just a mom dropping her kid off at school. Still confused?
In case anyone didn’t see, there were tons of reactionaries online saying that she was an activist and “fuck around and find out” etc. Just the most disgusting craven nonsense imaginable.
I hate my country.
Quick reminder to anyone reading, since the other reply here implied implications about what is to be done: whatever your opinions on violence may be you should never, under any circumstances, suggest that yourself or others should or will commit violent or illegal acts in your own country or countries that your country has extradition treaties with.
The revolution will not happen on Lemmy or any other public forum. You can only hurt yourself and your fellow travelers by posting violent threats or incitement to other illegal activity. Do not post credible threats. The cops can and will show up at your house.
Well said. Credible actionable violent rhetoric should not be tolerated. But all the TokTik doublespeak to bypass censorship or dance around an aggressive subject is, quite frankly, intolerable to read anywhere.
Say exactly what the fuck you mean. Stop doing mob-boss speak like Trump does with his lackeys.
The revolution will not happen on Lemmy
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We probably need a new version of that song. People might not listen to the still current message because they think TV is dead.
Brian Jackson did a pretty good update. Check it out!
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I hate about thirty million people in this country.
Why such a small number?
🎵 America! FUCK NO!
America’s here to ruin the motherfuckin’ day! 🎵
Who cares if she was an activist. Nothing what happened that day merits an execution.
The administration is characterizing her as an activist and an agitator, in order to try to retroactively justify her killing.
This story is putting the lie to that statement.
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Fully agree. Even if she wpuld have been an activist fleeing from the place.
Your instinct should not be to murder the person.
In any other countries, there are warning shots fired first, then they shoot at the wheels, then they try to detain the car by using own cars. There is no way the right thing to do is to murder someone in the head as a first response.
Yeah the right to be an activist is one of our most foundational rights as Americans.
incorrect
the murderer who puts himself in harm’s way, got out of that way, and then pulled a gun and shot a woman in the face, that deserves execution
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Hopefully the only way it gets worse will be a bunch of people getting together to do things like this. Oh darn, apparently mods deleted it. But it was a logical comment that proposed a logical solution.
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Mmm sandwiches you say? You’re almost makin’ me want to join ice 😋
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Ok nevermind. I don’t wanna be an ICEman anymore.
I know most people have already gone over this, but for me it was important to figure out what actually happened. From the article:
Video of the deadly shooting (…) shows agents approaching the woman’s vehicle while she was parked in the middle of the street, demanding “get out of the f*cking car.”
When one of the officers stuck his hands in the car, presumably to shut it off, she tried to swerve and drive away — that’s when one of the agents fired three shots at close range. A video from another angle does show an officer briefly in front of the car as the woman tries to drive away, but he is not in front of the vehicle or in apparent danger of being run over when he shoots the woman.
These goons are hellbent on escalation, and encouraged by their superiors to do so. In fact, that’s their real job.
Regardless of what excuse the ICE fascist make, there is ZERO reason he should have pulled out his gun and shot her.
He didn’t want to get run over? Well how is killing the driver going to stop the car from moving?
Yea shits all fucked up with this. I mean when he merced her, as you would expect with somebody already accelerating, she went limp and hammered down into a parked car. If she was trying to hit him when he fired and he was in her line of travel, he would have been split in half as she smacked into whatever’s in front of her. If he feared for his life he would have rolled out of the way and engaged in pursuit after. This is an untrained, trigger happy goon that did not join ice to deport people for any of the right reasons. This is somebody that joined from the get to get “me liberul blood” on their hands with the full backing and faith of the us govt. Not only is it legal for them to take the life of their political opponents, but they make something to the tune of 100k to do it. Calling them political assassins is just being accurate, I mean this pig just did his country a favor by offing a “domestic terrorist” in their eyes.
They’re all untrained goons. Top to bottom. That’s the problem here.
They are hellbent on escalation, not de-escalation - which should always be part of law enforcements job description. This is why this happened, happens, will happen again. Or, as the other reply states “untrained, trigger happy goons”. Who even gave them real guns? Yeah, rhetorical q.
The last point is really not an argument - even if he ended up getting killed too. You could, for example, say he wanted to save others and make him an hero.
Maybe. All the comments I see defending him call it self defense. I don’t think anybody was considering she would continue aiming for other ice agents.
He didn’t want to get run over?
Maybe he shouldn’t have gotten out of his unmarked vehicle wearing a mask and brandishing a weapon and approaching someone’s car and reaching into it to open the door when a woman who was pulling into the street stopped and waved at them to pass.
All good points. You shouldn’t be allowed to detain anybody if you are not properly identified as law enforcement.
Other wise it’s kidnapping and they should be allowed to protect themselves any way possible. I doubt this country will buy that argument though.
It doesn’t even necessarily matter what she was or wasn’t. It’s kind of irrelevant.
She tried to wave a car by, like we’ve all done a million times, then two MASKED MEN got out of their UNMARKED TRUCK holding GUNS and one tried to REACH INTO HER VEHICLE TO OPEN THE DOOR.
The fuck would you do?
They weren’t there for her. They had no reason to interact with her.
She could have had a rap sheet a mile long, doesn’t matter.
Just like poor George Floyd
If she would have actually tried to run over them she’d probably be alive.
Now Americans need to rebel, so Trump can declare martial law.
It’s all going according to his evil plan.
I wouldn’t bet on the midterm elections actually taking place.
I hope good Americans find a way out of this, but the path is getting muddy.What makes you think Trump needs a real reason to declare martial law? That is going to happen no matter what. The only decision you have left is what you do when its your turn to get shot by ICE: Are you going to comply and take three in the face, or are you going to hit the gas and hope for the best?
What makes you think Trump needs a real reason to declare martial law?
He doesn’t. Just something that gives a shred of plausibility.
Sounds more like a baseless argument to get people not to resist being attacked by ICE.
Considering the feds have taking the case, and is keeping the evidence away from local authorities, I think not.
You might have lost the thread of this discussion.
Even if the midterms happen, they’re going to be more rigged than Tinkerbell in a theatrical production
That could absolutely be the smarter way to do it. But I think it would have to be rigged HARD, and that could be a problem, because that could make it to obvious.
Where a declaration of Martial Law could seem more plausible to the average American. Just create a lie big enough as they say.it would have to be rigged HARD, and that could be a problem, because that could make it to obvious.
Look out for the 2nd tier headlines of the past 10 years - Republicans have been busy building this on many levels. And even before that, I mean Florida 2000? Also “too obvious” doesn’t exist anymore in today’s America.
I like that analogy and will be stealing it.
It will probably go on as all totalitarian regimes go: either a lot of blood and then hopefully freedom again, or Russia Reloaded. The pigs in charge for sure won’t leave anything willingly, you have to hang them by the feet (in a Mussolinian way I mean) if you want to break out of it… Any day spent whining and protesting peacefully is one day closer to the end of democracy and one day less they have to really fight. The moment democracy is being shit on is not on the next Election Day, it’s right now.
States hold their own elections. He can’t cancel them.
If he tries, the civic contract is dead. No more taxes. No more peaceful protests.
No more taxes.
I’ve been thinking about this as the orange idiot keeps punishing states he doesn’t like.
We need to rework taxes so that states take federal income tax and hold it in escrow or something so that this kind of shit can’t happen anymore.
And if red states get pissy and start withholding their contributions over gay marriage or something, well, they’re mostly dead weight anyway.
And if red states get pissy and start withholding their contributions over gay marriage or something, well, they’re mostly dead weight anyway.
Then good actually, because they’ll starve the beast as well. At this point, a well-funded federal government is a curse.
He tried five years and two days ago. Virtually nothing was done, and he pardoned the ones who were convicted at all.
Under Martial law Trump can prevent that, and even use the military to prevent it!
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I don’t think they will, I have also written many posts that reflect that, I use the same numbers to say two thirds either voted for Trump, or were OK with him winning.
If they weren’t OK with it they would have voted.
So I think a very large portion of the population is actually OK with all the shit that is going on, or they don’t care.
I also think the risk of American democracy ending with Trump is very high.
How high IDK, maybe 20-30% or maybe higher. Certainly not below 20% And that’s an insanely high number for a country that has had democracy since 1789, although it was a very limited democracy, and it is still a deeply flawed democracy.
But still many Americans have trusted the checks and balances, but Trump has shown several times that they don’t work.
And the American population hasn’t shown nearly enough will to do anything to prevent it. And now we are at a point that even if they do, they may be playing directly into Trumps hands.
This is not just “good americans” this seems to be a coordinated effort to destablise every western country. It will soon be the UK, it will soon be Europe.
I have seen right wing people in the UK saying, “The United States of Greeland” as if somehow, handing it over to the US is in our best interest. The world could genuinely be fucked.
Her ex-husband said “she was a loving mother and poet who had just dropped her young son off at school”
Her mother called her “one of the kindest people I’ve ever known.” Vice President JD Vance said she was part of “a broader left-wing network to attack and to doxx and to assault and to make it impossible for our ICE officers to do their jobs.”It’s not out of character for kind loving mothers to be antifascist.
It’s also Vance talking out his ass. This administration completely 1984’s everything at this point and Big Brother tells you what they want your reality to be.
You know, if being opposed to masked government murderers stalking your neighborhood makes you an “activist” then we need to ask some serious questions about the state of “journalism” these days.
Journalism? In America?
Nah, dawg.
“Good was new to the area”
She didn’t know the area, had just dropped her kid off at school, got caught up by the Gestapo, got (rightfully) scared, tried to swerve around it all…and then got shot in the head three times.
Oh, and they’ve found out the guys name who did it btw.Jonathan Ross.
Everyone should know.
Yeah the nazi’s on my local nextdoor keep calling her a “paid anti-ice demostrator” or that she is a paid antifa actress or some BS.
They refuse to use their eyes and ears and just stay in their fantasy land of unseasoned meals and fox news.
They are evil and stupid, there’s not much else to say, they welcome violence because they can’t do anything else that makes any difference with their miserable lives
Who would have thought that giving a bunch of barely literate bigots guns, and telling them they can do anything they want without consequences, would lead to one of those power tripping bigots murdering somebody for absolutely no fucking reason?
This was totally unforeseeable.
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I’m really tired of this attitude.
