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Summary
RFK Jr. is using private medical records to create a registry of people with autism in the United States.
The National Institutes of Health is helping to collect private medical records from government and commercial databases, including “prescription records from pharmacies, lab testing, and genomics records from the Department of Veterans Affairs and Indian Health Service, private insurance claims, and data from smartwatches and fitness trackers.”
Kennedy, a longtime critic of vaccination, has made the study of autism one of HHS’s primary goals. He has called autism “preventable” and claimed “he can find a cure for the condition by September.”
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Didn’t the Nazi’s do this too?
Yes. The first group of people exterminated by the Nazis were the disabled.
The school Hans Asperger sent autistic children to:
Am Spiegelgrund was divided into a reform school and a children’s ward, where sick and disabled adolescents were unwitting subjects of medical experiments and victims of nutritional and psychological abuse. Some died by lethal injection and gas poisoning; others by disease, starvation, exposure to the elements, and “accidents” relating to their conditions. The brains of up to 800 victims were preserved in jars and housed in the hospital for decades.
Wonder if they’re gonna rebrand Aspbergers again as ‘the people useful to society’ again.
Yep, if anyone had any doubt that MAGA = NAZI… well , MAGA = FUCKING NAZIS
These are almost entirely unregulated. There are no requirements that these facilities hire qualified staff, background check their staff, provide evidence based treatments. Children who are marked as mentally ill are not considered reliable narrators, so their accounts of abuse are not believed. (It’s funny - I try to report things that happened to me more than ten years ago, and it’s “too late” - but at the time they called me a liar, called it a symptom and hopped me up on Resperdal. How exactly does a teenager in one of these facilities get help?)
Turnabout Ranch, the place that Dr Phil sent kids like Bhad Baby to, allowed kids to be hurt.
There are already things in place that would facilitate an Aktion T4 style program. Southern states especially have horrendous child welfare systems, and children do die in “treatment.”
I’m more worried about why he’s doing it, than that he’s doing it to be honest, because the only realistic use case I see for this is eugenics.
In 1936, three years after taking power, the Nazis ordered families with a mentally or physically handicapped person to send them to nearby hospitals for the best treatment. Soon after, they started receiving letters that their loved one had passed away.
The first to notice the pattern was the clergy, who realized that the families in their congregations who had vulnerable members were ALL getting these letters, and they rightfully concluded that a euthanasia program was going on.
Many spoke out from the pulpit, demanding an end to this atrocity, and Hitler responded, saying he was shocked at this revelation, and promising to end it. He didn’t, of course, he just buried it, expanded it, and evolved it into the Holocaust.
To Nazis, the best way to reduce the statistics of autistic people, is to reduce the numbers of autistic people, and the first step in doing that is to compile their names.
Of course, the real issue is HOW are they going to reduce the autistic population? Considering how much MAGA openly admires the Nazis, it’s not hard to make an educated guess.
This. This is way more worrisome than first glance.
The first people Nazi germany systematically exterminated were the disabled
So I guess it means now, that if you’re still undiagnosed in the US (and suspect to be autistic), better don’t let yourself diagnose… Sad times…
Why is it so hard for some people to believe that there is genetic variation in the human brain?
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RFK is not the killing type, he is more of a “grandma giving you kombucha something sweet drink instead of actual medicine” type. He even talks like one.
That’s dangerous, but blood purity is something I’d expect his background to actually prevent him from believing to be good. With ecology, eating raw meat and such things. Not the kind of people to think being inbred is good.
Exactly. I can see him banning any amphetamine/stimulant medications for ADHD first before having them rounded up, or instead of banning them outright, they decide to use them as a leash on people who could be problematic. “Do this thing for that long, and you get your dose. Break the rules, and we cut you off.”
I think he was for less regulation for medications, not more, and more regulation for food, not less. Anyway guessing what will he do is not very useful.
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is using private medical records to create a registry of people with autism in the United States.
That’s a pretty big claim for which The New Republic cited absolutely no source. This is bullshit, I hate the Administration as much as anyone here but I’m not falling for this.
I’m going to try and play devil’s advocate here, only because my experience in healthcare suggests to me that this is being sensationalized and there’s already enough legitimately awful shit happening without sensationalizing stuff. Now, do want you want, but if you’ll check my history, you’ll clearly see that I’m not fan of this administration. This doesn’t sound all that different in principle from NEMSIS, which is the US government’s clearing house for EMS patient care reports that it uses for research purposes. I don’t trust RFK, I think he’s going to do something monumentally stupid and just go fishing for a way to blame vaccines, but I don’t think that this is actually a kill list. Besides, what would be the point of them building a kill list?
Between Palantir building a target list and the NSA mass surveillance program, it would be a huge duplicated effort.
Furthermore, this article cites absolutely no source to the claim that this is part of an “autism registry.”
I wouldn’t put it past RFK Jr. or this administration but I’m calling bullshit.
he can find a cure for the condition
A “final solution”, if you will…
This is just them preparing the launchpad for further mass surveillance programs. First, they’ll poke around with innocent sounding programs, testing the waters to see how much data they can sniff out of different private databases without anyone noticing. They’ll claim it’s for the good of autistic people. They’ll enact legislation to further cement their practices of data gathering. If their proof of concept turns out to be delivering results, they’ll keep going.
Slowly they’ll keep tracking all kinds of people they deem as “ill”. They’ll start with vilified minorities that can’t fight back. Most likely trans people. Then the rest of the queer community. Of course, they’ll claim there’s no ill intent in gathering this data, after all, it’s not like they’re going to commit any vile acts.
And slowly but surely, once the public debate around these minorities turns even more sour, you’ll have them enacting all kinds of laws, and these databases will prove to be quite handy tools in aiding their goals.
It’s Eugenics, this is them warming you up to forced sterilisation. This is Timesplitters shit, let’s just kill the Billionaires. Come on.
Well technically they’re warming people up for full blown death-camps.
It starts with tracking, then sterilization, then “work camps”, and then suddenly there are hundreds of thousands stuffed into cargo trains on the way to the furnaces. With tons of them telling themselves they should have done something when they first came for…
That’s already here, that’s el Salavadore. Specifically I think that’s where the human experimentation with neuralink and putting smart tech into your body is really going to get grotesque.
The first true AMERICAN concentration camp is being constructed as we speak. Soon we won’t need Cecot.
Trump has signed an executive order to build a 30,000 bed detention facility in Guantanamo Bay, and a $249 million contract has already been awarded. It is due to be complete in 2030, but it will open in stages.
For context, the average maximum security prison in America is about 800-1200 people. The largest, in Angola, LA, is about 8300. That means this new detention facility will be almost 4 times larger than our current largest prison, which is already several times larger than average.
Its also going to be on a foreign island, surrounded by a (supposedly) hostile foreign nation, far from the prying eyes of the media or the courts.
We’ve seen Cecot, with its giant cells packed with 80 prisoners. We’ve also seen their method of frog-marching their prisoners.
Compare that with Russia’s infamous Black Dolphin Prison where prisoners live this way for the rest of their lives:
they are forced to stand and forbidden from resting or sitting on their bunks from the time they awake until bedtime (roughly 16 hours).
They are also moved about in a similar way as Cecot:
Black Dolphin prison officers have a unique form of escorting inmates: prisoners are kept bent over at the waist while a guard holds his handcuffed hands behind his back, higher than his hips. This escort control tactic allows for maximum control while depriving him of a view of his immediate surroundings (preventing him from escaping and/or attacking prison staff)
The MAGA Nazis are very familiar both of these notorious prisons, and it is likely they will be the model for the the new Guantanamo Bay facility.
So who do they intend on putting in there? He is making it crystal clear that whoever is destined for Camp Gitmo will NOT be receiving trials, or anything resembling Due Process.
Our first AMERICAN concentration camp is being constructed as we speak, Google it.
What does that have to do with my reply to the other user and why are you instructing me to google anything?
My post wasn’t just to you, it was an extension of the general conversation about eugenics and death camps. I wasn’t necessarily instructing YOU to Google it, I was inviting anyone who was doubting that American Concentration camps are already under construction.
You already have tracking.
I’m way ahead of them. I self sterilized. I don’t want any hand in bringing more people into this shit show.
Eugenics seems opposite from RFK Jr’s ideas.
I don’t think so. I think he’s really that delusional. Let’s hope his medical experiments won’t be worse than some hallucinogenic mushrooms.
Yes it is, that’s why the reduction in social security supports, that’s why the measles outbreak. This administration is puppets, acting out word for word, Curtis Yarvin’s butterfly revolution. That is why Trump is offering awards to women with more than 5 children, that is they focussed on reducing the cost of IVF. That is why musk never shuts the fuck up about the great replacement theory. It is blindingly obvious. This whole far right movement is funded by Big Tech, America First, Ireland First, Britain First, Francais Premier. They all appeared immediately after covid, they all have money come from The Heritage Foundation. This is the most obviousl thing, they’re not even hiding it. It’s because the economy is going to collapse within 2 generations because Meta, Google, Amazon, Apple and all of them collect obscene amounts of wealth across every denomination of currency in the world, they pay no tax and this drives inflation by forcing ever country’s central to print more money. We are about to enter indian level poverty in the West, along with the climate disaster, caused by the people who do not want to acknowledge it and have used the culture war, created by Big Tech in order to ignore. How do people not understand this?
It’s because the economy is going to collapse within 2 generations because Meta, Google, Amazon, Apple and all of them collect obscene amounts of wealth across every denomination of currency in the world, they pay no tax and this drives inflation by forcing ever country’s central to print more money.
Not commenting the rest of your statements, this is not how economies work.
We are about to enter indian level poverty in the West, along with the climate disaster
No, you are not. You are about to show everyone else what real poverty is, though, reminding them of pre-XIX century life.
I might agree there is a common interest of power in all this, but that’s obvious anyway, evolution, game theory and all.
Please, do enlighten me as to how the “Global Economy” works and the tax exploits used by FAANG and the rest of the billionaire class. Then based on your model factor in the devaluation of the American Dollar and the effect of all countries in the world divesting their monetary vestments in the US from treasury bonds and explain how the American and later global economy. Do not collapse. I am all ears.
Do not collapse.
No. That sentence you wrote doesn’t take any effort. While “enlightening someone on *” takes a lot, especially with such attitude.
How they surely don’t work is by “collecting of wealth”, because only real things are wealth. Production in the real world, assets in the real world, means to exchange those, mechanisms, agreements. The more removed it is from real things, the less it’s worth, when nominally it’s measured in the same amount of money. These are not interchangeable, they are parts of the same system.
Wealth is unrealised gains
Yarvin actually thinks they should be moving faster and more aggressively than they are, and he fears they might actually fail, and what it personally means for him if they do. Here’s the piece on it. He’s actually worried that his butterfly revolution may be unraveling under the weight of its own stupidity.
That’s what the articles in this giant skinner box, controlled by the same people trying to collapse society through social media say. Yes, you are correct. Alternatively, is that article exists to make people who would otherwise revolt feel pacified and like they’re winning, so they don’t bother to protest. Social media exists as a way to allow us to vent. To see opinions that agree with ours and feel validated and things are happening. In actuality this is to make sure people DO NOT feel angry enough to mobilise in a meaningful way. As an example with legacy media, Michael Moore is not your friend, Rachel Maddow is not your friend. They exist to make you feel like people are on your side, they are multi-millionaires employed by their corporate masters to pacify and neuter the will of the working class. Read deeper my friend.
Except that the writer of this piece is quoting the latest post on Yarvin’s own Substack, Gray Mirror. The piece is titled “Barbarians and Mandarins”
And while perhaps the first article I shared confirms my bias, I don’t have the time right now to read a bloated 7,000 word essay filled with allusions and metaphors to genocide.
So, how do you know it’s what it says?
This man is a psychopath
He did run on finding the increased cause of autism in the youth. He said it was likely environmental toxins from corporations.
So if hes right and hes not looking to murder people then we get statistics on where its occuring, and he would track it down like we did lead and things like that.
Which there doesnt seem to be a counter-point to what hes doing, heres MSNBC who obviously hates Trump, and as she says theres not been clear answers yet. Which maybe with the data he is gathering there will be some insights:
He’s a cunt with half a brain, he’s the new Mengele. His delusions have already killed people, I don’t believe in his supposed good intentions.
I believe it’s more likely that they (this administration, obviously) would change the meaning of the term “autistic” to mean any unwanted person. Basically, the Autist would become the new Jew under Trump’s regime.
Autism has a genetic origin. Even with today’s gene therapy techniques, it would not be possible to alter the already formed brains of adults so that they would not be autistic.
The simplest way to eliminate autism in the population would be to identify all autistic individuals and sterilize them or to genetically modify the zygotes or embryos of autistic individuals, but these, especially the first, have serious ethical implications and completely violate individual freedom. All this not to mention that we would be destroying part of the diversity of Humanity’s genotype, which could even have long term consequences that are difficult to predict.
I’d assumed it was something when you’re a fetus, not a fully formed brain. Would that be impossible as well do you figure?
Dude, these people are puppets of big tech. Donald Trump ran on lowering the price of eggs. Come on.
Yes, well, there are good statistics and studies on autism and it’s mostly genetic. A bug of some of our far ancestors being related enough to have kids, but not enough to avoid weird bugs. Like - some of the neanderthals were not eaten. And parts of their genes were kinda compatible to those of bog standard homo sapiens sapiens, but not entirely. Which mostly doesn’t show in humans, and when it does, it’s autism. Or green eyes. Or something like that. Point being - really nothing to do with environment.
BTW, RFK Jr really with his manner of speech seems like a high-functioning autistic person, give or take. I wonder if he knows that you don’t have to hide in a room all day and smell and have problems talking at all to be that. I also wonder if he knows that his survival\camping interests too match that a lot.
A Nazi does what???
There, the anti-science conspiracy theorist sure to fill NIH with self-proclaimed physical therapists, snake oil profiteers, and homeopathy fans.
If it’s not killing, it’s him wanting to deny the disabled any financial help and government assistance, insisting the disabled are liabilities.
While true, I’d take homeopathy over ABA. “yOu sHoUld go to tHerApy to leaRn to cOmmuNicate to nOrMal peOple” - “No thanks, I’ll take this little sweetened expensive piece of nothing and thank the Jr, so good we have him in charge of health”.
OK, I haven’t even been to USA, but some “accepted” things about autism are just as bad as his ideas.
Are you saying you have an issue with Applied Behavior Analysis?
Yes.
Absolutely nothing good will come from this.
