Funny, this is basically the exact thing I said about switching from Windows to Linux at one point. Of course not about Wayland and window managers, but about the customization I did and the need to port it over.
Those things couldn’t be more different. Or did you spend lots of time to make your Linux environment work exactly like your Windows did?
I have my environment set up exactly the way I want. Moving to Wayland you mean replicating all the keyboard shortcuts, all the scripting and automated actions and re-implementing all the custom widgets. Because they work the way I want them to work. From what I’ve checked Wayland doesn’t even have tools that can be extended as easily as my WM. I would have to use some less popular tools with little documentation or struggle writing things in C++. And if I did all this I would have a setup that works the exact same way but is on Wayland. What would I gain besides bragging rights?
Well that’s what I’m saying. I had Windows set up exactly like I like it. I disabled all telemetry, had custom hotkeys for everything, etc etc etc, everything worked exactly like I wanted.
There was just a little thing in the background that made it make sense to switch to Linux, Windows getting shittier, MS dropping support etc etc
In the end, of course it’s not exactly the same thing, but that’s what’s happening to x11 as well, it does get “shittier” (comparatively) as less development time is spent on it, it doesn’t get improved as much as Wayland, gets less support etc. So if you just use a scale of “good <> bad”, over time, x11 goes more towards bad and Wayland more towards good, same as Windows vs Linux.
And once there will be some things I want to do, that can’t be done on X11 but can be done on Wayland I will switch. For now there are no such things so switching is just a waste of time. It crazy how many people think everyone should be on Wayland only because it’s new. It’s the Labubu of software, really.
No, people have different needs. By all means, stay on x11. Just don’t pretend Wayland is a fad that’s going away in a couple years or that a re-architectured window manager for the 21st century has no value.
Just don’t pretend Wayland is a fad that’s going away in a couple years
No one said anything like this. I’m only saying people are pushing it to hard. For majority of users it doesn’t offer anything of value. It’s good that modern replacement for X was created but I’m not even sure if Wayland was the best choice. It’s just what we got stuck with. It’s ok to use but some people are really obsessed with it.
Funny, this is basically the exact thing I said about switching from Windows to Linux at one point. Of course not about Wayland and window managers, but about the customization I did and the need to port it over.
Those things couldn’t be more different. Or did you spend lots of time to make your Linux environment work exactly like your Windows did?
I have my environment set up exactly the way I want. Moving to Wayland you mean replicating all the keyboard shortcuts, all the scripting and automated actions and re-implementing all the custom widgets. Because they work the way I want them to work. From what I’ve checked Wayland doesn’t even have tools that can be extended as easily as my WM. I would have to use some less popular tools with little documentation or struggle writing things in C++. And if I did all this I would have a setup that works the exact same way but is on Wayland. What would I gain besides bragging rights?
Well that’s what I’m saying. I had Windows set up exactly like I like it. I disabled all telemetry, had custom hotkeys for everything, etc etc etc, everything worked exactly like I wanted.
There was just a little thing in the background that made it make sense to switch to Linux, Windows getting shittier, MS dropping support etc etc
In the end, of course it’s not exactly the same thing, but that’s what’s happening to x11 as well, it does get “shittier” (comparatively) as less development time is spent on it, it doesn’t get improved as much as Wayland, gets less support etc. So if you just use a scale of “good <> bad”, over time, x11 goes more towards bad and Wayland more towards good, same as Windows vs Linux.
And once there will be some things I want to do, that can’t be done on X11 but can be done on Wayland I will switch. For now there are no such things so switching is just a waste of time. It crazy how many people think everyone should be on Wayland only because it’s new. It’s the Labubu of software, really.
No, people have different needs. By all means, stay on x11. Just don’t pretend Wayland is a fad that’s going away in a couple years or that a re-architectured window manager for the 21st century has no value.
No one said anything like this. I’m only saying people are pushing it to hard. For majority of users it doesn’t offer anything of value. It’s good that modern replacement for X was created but I’m not even sure if Wayland was the best choice. It’s just what we got stuck with. It’s ok to use but some people are really obsessed with it.