Since Trump’s election, gun groups catering to progressives and people of color report a surge in interest as they look to defend themselves in a country that, to them, feels increasingly unstable.
Unless you plan to carry concealed or get a concealed carry license skip the pistol for your first gun.
If you want something for home defense that sits by the bed get a 20-gauge pump shotgun. I’ve never met anyone man woman or child that couldn’t shoot one and #3 or #4 buckshot is hard to miss with within 20 or 30 yards. You can go to almost any sporting goods store and pick one up for about $250. I like the Maverick 88.
If you want something to hunt with or just have in case of “troubles” get yourself a decent bolt-action rifle with a 3x9 scope in a popular caliber such as 308 or 270. Rifles are easier to shoot and you can use them for hunting. Once you shoot the rifle a few times and are comfortable with it you can put it away for those “troubles.”
If the US gets ripe enough you need to stack bodies you are going to want a rifle more than a pistol and if you have a shotgun or a rifle you can pick up a pistol, there will be plenty on those bodies you are stacking.
That’s my extremely qualified opinion, but with that said opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.
Good luck out there, be safe.
When I thought about buying a shotgun I looked into rock salt and other non lethal ammo, it turns out it’s illegal to load shells with rock salt. Hard to believe
Wait you’re telling me the salt shotgun of Scrooge McDuck is real?
I got shot with salt by a farmer when I was a kid. It’s definitely real and scroogy old bastards seem to like it.
Yeah, https://www.bullseye-cartridge.com/12ga-2-3-4-rock-salt-5-pack.html it’s ammunition not the gun exactly, but it’s kinda the OG old school less than lethal round.
If you have the money just get an AR 15. There is a reason it’s so popular.
There could be a world ending apocalypse and you’ll still find parts and ammo. And it’s an incredibly well rounded platform that’s pretty easy to use.
5.56 rounds over penetrates less than 9mm and less than many different shot shells too. I like HD 9mm rounds but the AR platform for home defense is a smart choice.
And I’m not saying it’s ideal, but you’ll still take a deer down in some insane scenario where you’re hunting for food.
Ive heard even 9mm higher pressure rounds through a carbine length barrel can stop some bears. Im not saying I’d trust it to be my first choice in that situation but I’d wager if you get good enough with 5.56 there’s not much you wouldn’t be able to stop with a couple follow up shots or hunt with a good first shot.
As someone with many years experience, I second this and highly recommend shotguns for home defense.
If you’re ready to move up to mobile defense for whatever reasons, and you’re not someone who dedicates time and money to shooting regularly, I recommend a revolver like a .38, they are simple to operate, accurate, reliable in almost any conditions, almost impossible to jam, easy to see if it’s loaded and ready to fire, and generally much easier to manage and maintain than an automatic.
Very few times in all recorded personal defense situations has anyone ever had to reload, and most of these incidents are over after just a couple rounds are fired. (It’s amazing how people with bad intentions tend to forget about their grievances after just one hole, two will usually do the trick no matter where said holes are.)
I also highly recommend anyone who takes any of this remotely seriously to take some self-defense classes, any kind of martial art, don’t get sucked down any kind of pipeline of people screaming about what style is best for what, literally anything that gets you able to use your arms and legs as defense tools. You desperately need that muscle memory so your first line of defense isn’t the deadly weapon, and so you can survive if you lose your weapon for whatever reason, and not get mentally hung up on having a gun always.
I disagree on a shotgun for HD, pistols are more manueverable, easier to go through doorways, and harder to disarm. The only caveat is normal pistol rounds will over penetrate furthet than bird shot, but other types of shot can over penetrate as much as 9mm. 5.56 rounds actually overpentrate less than 9mm and some people use AR pistols, or full sized ARs, for HD because of this. You don’t want bullets flying through walls you can’t see through, and Id highly recommend agaist anything pump action especially for someone who isnt going to practice cycling the weapon.
For most people a shotgun for HD is the way to go.
For someone that knows a thing or two, I agree with you… pistol or SBR… I just don’t think that’s most people.
Most people who buy shotguns are gonna end up with a pump shotgun and that’s a big downside for anyone whos not practicing cycling the weapon because in terms of stopping power follow up shots outclass bigger bullet every time. A pump action is setting up beginners to fail at following up more than any other common HD weapon. Most semi auto shotguns cost at least double what pumps do and are more expensive than comprable pistols and even solid budget rifles. I stand by my recommendations, if someone really wants a shotgun and they’re new, insist on a semi auto, but that’s the minority.
This! The over penetration is why Shotgun is better especially for more dense areas such as apartments.
i dunno, i just call the cops but mabye thats just me.
Clearly, you are not in the US.
why, is there no cops in the US?
Because they almost always make the situation worse.
Big difference between having cops, and having cops that you can trust to protect you.
Also, even if for argument’s sake we assume that the police will act in your best interest when they show up, not everyone lives in a large city where you’re never more than five minutes away from a cop. The US is huge, and the vast majority of it is rural and isolated. If you live in one of those places help from police might be hours away rather than minutes. You’re on your own until they show up. If they show up at all.
Cops in the US are a whole different breed of fucked up
But what if I’m not feeling suicidal?
i dont know what that has to do with cops
Because in numerous cases, the cops have attacked the victims when responding to a call. If you are a minority it’s even more likely. Combine that with a white attacker, even more likely.
oh never seen that before that much, ive seen some cops do some stupid shit, but it doesnt seem like a widespread issue.
Are you familiar with the expression “[the thin blue line](Are you familiar with the expression “the thin blue line” and mindset that it reinforces?)” and the mindset that it reinforces?
Are you familiar with the “warrior” training so many police go through, where they are trained to see threats from everywhere and to prioritize their own lives above others?
Are you aware that, legally, cops aren’t obligated to protect you if you aren’t in their custody?
Did you see the footage from the Uvalde school shooting?
All of these combine together to result in so many instances of police escalating tense situations instead of de-escalating those situations. It results in police shooting innocent people because they thought they saw a gun. Like I said, if you are a minority things tend to be much worse. You’re likely guilty of something in their eyes, even if the cop is a minority.
And that’s what makes it clear you’re not American.
You’re very fortunate. I live in a place in the US where it’s a toss up on whether the cops will even show up. I’ve called an ambulance for it to never show up before. Unfortunately we’re on our own and have to take matters into our own hands if we expect to survive. Guns are a plague but there’s not much that can be done at this point. We must protect our families.
Following up on your comment, there’s plenty of places in the US where you don’t call the cops as a non-white person at all; since the cops have gone out and shot the brown person that called them… since you know, the cops commonly assume the brown person is the perpetrator.
Fun way to tell everyone that you’re white, or not living in America.
actually im southern Italian/Lebanese so my skin is tanned and have been in trouble with the police before. Stop making everything about race.
Oh, so there was a comma in my comment. My assumption was right.
When seconds count, the cops are minutes away. You do you though and good luck.
So then you get to deal with armed fascist thugs in addition to whatever problem you were trying to solve by calling the cops. And guess what, if a fascist attacks you and you call the cops, you’re likely calling their buddies, who won’t be happy with you. At least, in my experience in the US.
Liberals, LGBTQ, whoever else was mentioned in this headline should have been training with guns for years at this point. The writing has been on the wall for a while.
I was anti-gun until I was 37. That’s when I realized it doesn’t matter about my political viewpoint regarding guns, the right has been using it as leverage for my entire life.
I’m 42 now. I got my first rifle when I was 38. I got my first shotgun when I was 39. I got my first pistol when I was 40. I go bi-weekly to the range.
The writer of the article should try harder to not confuse “interest” with preparation. This shit is an unwelcome use of my free time, but I’m probably a better shot than 90% of MAGA at this point.
As someone who used to create judgemental use of force firearm training simulators for law enforcement, I can tell you right now you’re likely a better shot than 90% of our police force too.
Yikes, that makes me feel uneasy. Do they not train on a regular basis?
By policy, it’s different per police organization. But overwhelmingly the biggest orgs only force training once a year. And the metrics they use to pass for accuracy and use are lower than most concealed carry courses.
…they do if you can believe it.
I thought they did too, that’s why I’m not so sure that I’m the better shot. I was thinking that I’m maybe on par with someone else that trains regularly.
Just following up from my previous answer: MOST officers only need to pass training on use of firearms once a year. It does vary per department, and some officers use their access to training and ranges to hone their skills. But MOST of them only follow the guidelines, and most guidelines only require recertifying firearm use once a year.
To shoot ICE in their stupid fat faces.
As they come crashing though your door.
Specifically. You can’t afford anything but the most crystal clear case of self defence.
That won’t save you, but if ICE is crashing through your door, you probably aren’t making it anyway.
They’re pretty incompetent, but also, it does present significant deterrence to ICE especially if people aren’t charged for legal self defence.
I still think this is mostly about defending yourself from emboldened neighbors though.
Every american should be familiar with how guns work because we have to live in a country with more guns than people. Imagine if you’ve never drove, been inside, or even seen a real car your entire life then one day you have to cross a NYC street. Its hard to be safe without the right knowledge.
Every american should be familiar with how guns work
anddd that’s why i don’t goto the USA
You can be performatively afraid of something you will likely never have an issue with for no other reason than a thing existing, that’s fine and your prerogative.
But most people here already know you are far less likely to even have issues with entry into the US or with the people who live here than even media is making it out. Millions of people from all continents pass in and out of the US daily. You’re in far more danger being a grade-school or high-school student in the US than a foreign traveler or visitor.
To the kiddoes who get down this far, there are 500 million citizens in the US and murder is still rare enough that it makes the news. Not always, but often. While other countries have less violent crime, broadly our whole world is at an all-time low in violence despite what your local for-profit media company wants you to think. Yes, the US has woefully outdated gun laws, but our primary problem here is fear. The same fear that makes you think the US is a violent wasteland of shootouts on every corner, that’s the same fear that makes people here cling to guns. You’re not hurting me by whinging that you will “never set foot in the US” I literally do not care, so ask yourself who you’re performing for, and if you’re just needlessly adding to the narratives of fear, and why it makes you feel good to do so. Who do you want to feel bad and why?
performatively afraid
I can’t get over how this is phrased. It feels so dismissive.
That would be because I am dismissing it.
Blocked
How ever will I recover from this blow
I don’t think someone could have proved your point about performative behavioirs faster than that. They even felt the need to announce their block so no one would miss out on their preformance lmfao.
Yeah nah bud. You’re arresting people trying to leave your country, tourists are getting roughed up, and violence from the government is increasing.
I think your tourism deserves to decrease and you deserve to sleep in the bed you’ve made.
I agree 100% with everything you wrote here, and none of it has anything to do with the exchange I had with the other user.
Except for this:
you
I am not my government.
You was speaking in countr terms as was the your before it.
Even still, its like, there is no “we only support the non fascists” from a foreign perspective when it comes to tourism unfortunately.
I mean there is a little bit when it comes to trade, like trading with blue states, but like, its all very intertwined to where youll be funding the fascist regime.
naw thanks, i don’t think people should have a right to own a firearm. not a safe country.
I get the sentiment but most countries on Earth have armed citizens. You have effectively negated yourself from traveling across much of Asia, much of Africa, South America and several prominent European nations where citizens are armed.
No country is “safe” and you will live in misery and fear if you deny yourself the ability to travel and have new experiences because some people may or may not own weapons.
dude i never plan to leave my country, so im good. dont worry.
Sounds good, enjoy your bubble. Hope nothing there ever changes.
i will enjoy my bubble thanks. canada is the best place to live!
Load of bullshit from an American Exceptionalism expert.
I’ve been all over the world, people carry guns. People shoot in the air to celebrate, people keep guns on their mantles, people keep guns to defend against predators, people carry guns because there are vast, vast areas of Earth that are not patrolled by police. Are these bad people?
It’s pretty bigoted to look down on these people for the circumstances and regions they live, but yeah go ahead and lecture someone for being an American.
edit: i can clearly see by your moderation history that I shan’t be investing a shred of mental energy your way. Go ahead and troll into the void, I won’t see it.
Please take your gun apologia somewhere else.
The number one killer of children in America.
The answer is yes, you are a bad person for promoting this nonsense.
Yes do a gun safety course first in your home country
no because i dont hunt so i dont need to use guns.
I don’t hunt either, but shooting can be fun.
They said need.
They clearly arent interested in it for fun.
I read it as they think they need to have a need for something to justify having it. I disagree with that premise.
Good for you!
yes, yes it is :)
There are so, so many other great reasons too.
To be clear your reason is a great reason. There are just so many others, too.
oh trust me i know, i haven’t liked america for a very long time.
This is literally pathetic. Talk about being gun oppressed and loving it.
Not much you can do when most people in the country already own guns. If someone points a gun at you, you’ll be wishing you had your own. This is mostly an American problem though and we’re fucked. At this point we all need guns because those psychotic fucks are coming for us daily. With how things are progressing so fast I’m just waiting for the day they show up at my door for voting Democrat in a Republican state. I’ve got my guns and I won’t go down easily.
Yeah, self defense fantasies are a mental illness bro. Love you, get some help.
I’d love to never have to own a gun. When I was 5 years old a woman put a loaded gun in my face and cocked it to threaten my parents. It’s not a fantasy, it’s a fucking NIGHTMARE. So yes, my fears are a mental illness. Thanks.
You are just one of many living in this nightmare. You know what it is like to jump for cover everytime someone shoots a gun in an urban setting? Millions of Americans get to experience this psychological abuse everyday.
I am sorry to hear your horrible experience. I have lost several people in my life to gun violence. I know women who were raped at gun point. I have had multiple guns shoved in my face growing up. Fuck guns and everyone who defends this shit show.
Lol I know exactly what it’s like to jump for cover every time someone shoots a gun, I still have to fight that instinct. There were bullet holes in the front door of my family home and on the side of the house. I was taught to lay on the ground every time we heard gun shots. When I held my first gun 5 years ago I was trembling and crying from fear of the damn thing. I LIVED THROUGH ALL OF THIS. I cannot and will not defend gun culture. When nearly the entire population has them and is willing to use them against you at a moments notice, you don’t have much of a choice. Since I am a woman, and as you pointed out I am at risk, I have more need than a man to conceal carry.
The point I’m trying to make is bitch all you want about guns in America. Call us morons for having guns, it doesn’t matter. Bitching won’t change anything. Someone has to take all the guns away before a change can be made and I’m willing to bet that’ll never happen in our lifetime. We’ll continue to be terrorized until our deaths. Might as well defend yourself if you can.
I wholeheartedly agree with everything including defending yourself. I do not agree with arming yourself, but that is just because your more likely to be injured.
Must be nice to go through life never having to worry about your personal safety. Fuck you and your privilege.
I am not a childlike, hence why I know guns are not the solution to your imaginary problems.
I didn’t say you were childlike. Use your eyes. Read again. I said you are privileged.
What’s the solution to a political party using firearms as leverage in a country that puts firearms in its governing document.
I absolutely LOVE reading these wildly naive takes. Go for it!
I implied you were childlike.
I love people who have no clue about the destruction and violence gun culture has caused us. This learned helplessness you have developed is impressive.
A fascist government takeover is imaginary? Fuck give me whatever glue you’re sniffing so I can be as dumb and ignorant as you.
Fascists thrive on violence, so if your suggesting that as a solution then you are playing right into their hands.
I’m not sure how you’re getting that out of what they posted. Reads more “know thine enemy” than power fantasy to me.
If know thine enemy is code for living in an oppressive gun nut culture where we lose around fifty thousand Americans to gun violence every year, then sure.
Number one killer of children in the US and the best we can muster is, “You have got to be familiar with guns because we are surrounded by them.” This is the definition of pathetic resignation.
Sorry I forgot that I can just wiggle my nose and make it go away. It’s the reality of the situation, like it or not.
Dealing with our problems isn’t easy. I guess we can just go back ignoring it. Cheers!
You can acknowledge present reality while also trying to change it. They’re not mutually exclusive.
No one can actually acknowledge what is happening though. Our entire society in the US is in denial.
Also leftists. Also rightists.
So, basically, people from every political background are buying guns.
The warmongers win again.
I support this
Do stand your ground laws apply when a warrantless unidentified “federal agent” comes to your door because anyone with sense would fear for their lives?
People have legally defended themselves in that situation, yes- but first you have to survive until your court date.
Short answer is “It depends.”
If a masked, unidentified individual with a weapon is in your home, it will very likely apply.
Interestingly enough; this hasn’t happened yet. It’s almost like they know which places not to fuck with, even though there isn’t an official national gun registry or anything.
I mean… Amazon purchases can be tracked. I wonder if buying CLP or a boresnake gets someone put on a “do not try” list.
I’m surprised something like that hasn’t already happened.
One of the more telling aspects of who ICE is targeting.
No, but that shouldn’t stop people from standing their ground.
Lifelong anti-gun libtard here.
I’ve been doing my research and talking to friends with guns so I can begin the process of arming myself.
Fascism is here and I passed my history classes. I know where this is going. It’s time to make sure you, and everyone you know, is armed to the teeth.
If things keep escalating, which they will, because that’s what fascists do, then there will come a day when they attempt to prevent anyone who registered/voted Democrat from purchasing firearms.
Buy them. Now.
Never voted for any Republican anything my entire life. Have been buying guns for myself and my family for over a decade.
Please share your viewpoint with those in your circle of influence, as we will need more of this going forward.
Also, don’t just buy a pistol. Buy a shotgun and a rifle.
Be safe.
America’s relationship with guns is darkly fascinating for those of us in other ‘western’ countries. The cliche of the right-wing gun-nut is seemingly way off the mark. You guys have absolutely normalised gun ownership. It’s deeply entrenched in your culture and is married to civil liberty in a way that is alien to most other developed nations.
It seems that the state tempering gun ownership is widely viewed as an intrusive and sinister overreach, whereas for us allowing everyday people to own assault rifles etc would be viewed as a dangerous dereliction of duty by the government.
I totally get the appeal of firearms. We go “clay pigeon shooting” where I lived in the UK. It’s fun. But the idea that the average citizen could legally own a gun is wild to us.
wing everyday people to own assault rifles etc would be viewed as a dangerous dereliction of duty by the government.
The US doesn’t do that either. Very few people own assault rifles, you need a very expensive and difficult to obtain license and have since 1986. You’re falling for gun grabber propaganda.
I don’t think the license itself is the expensive part, the guns are (because they have to be old enough to be a collector’s item to be legal for civilian ownership even with the right paperwork)
This isn’t entirely true. Our gun laws are weird as fuck, and half of them seem designed to get around some sort of loophole or another.
To any reasonable person, a 10.5" AR-15 that looks like this:
is an assault rifle. Per US gun laws, it’s a perfectly legal “pistol.”In dozens of states including my own, you can freely purchase and own one without any sort of permit whatsoever, you just buy it.
The ar-15 is not an assault rifle. Regardless of how much cosmetic crap you throw on it, it’s semi auto. Not burst fire or full auto. It’s no more deadly than any number of wood stock semi auto hunting rifles.
It’s our second right. Number 2. Before a ton of way more important shit. It’s not going away anytime soon.
I still think it’s weird as well but I be totin’
I mean, it’s terrifying. I work with someone who was recently shot through her floor (at home). She lived, but she’s been in the hospital for weeks. So she’ll be bankrupt and disabled.
As an American, I’m curious why you think civilians owning modern rifles made for war is wrong.
And before you respond, I want to make clear that I am intentionally loading the question to try to dissect the topic openly, without bias. Think of me as a free thinker, somebody who is open minded, possibly naive.
I want to know truly what your reasoning is, and if it can stand up to my values and understanding, and vice versa.
Guns are the number one cause of death for American children, after automobiles, and America already has a higher automobile death rate than virtually all it’s comparable peers.
Since 1999, 400,000 American children have died needlessly.
If you remove all guns, there will still be a thing that is number one.
Same with automobiles. “Needlessly” is extremely undefined. Lots of things occur that are needless or claimed to be needless.
Also what’s with that seemingly arbitrary year? Why 1999? Is that the year that the Columbine shooting happened? Guns were around before then. Why did school shootings suddenly become popular then? DID school shootings become more popular then? Can we reverse that change?
If you remove all guns, there will still be a thing that is number one.
The children who are not gunned down will not be killed by something else. It just lowers the overall death rate.
“Needlessly” is extremely undefined. Lots of things occur that are needless or claimed to be needless.
No it’s not. It’s defined in relation to the child death rates of peer countries.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2820614
Finally.
Okay, so, statistically, gun deaths in the US are strongly correlated to a distinct increase in premature death in kids.
And that statistic makes owning assault rifles wrong, because, if you remove the rifles from the populace, those deaths would go away. Yeah?
I’m so for those deaths no longer happening, but I also like having an armed population to fight off, at this point, fascism, if it ever comes to that. Is there another way, where we can have our guns and our children, too?
Is there correlation that having an armed population with assault rifles always causes school shootings? Is there evidence of it not? Switzerland seems good. Really good gun control for a militia system. I’d be really happy with moving to that. Though, I think the issue Americans would take is that it’s a government militia system and we’re supposed to defend against our own government.
But, why? Oh god… Don’t tell me this is further southern bullshit “states rights” stuff. I mean, at this point, yeah, we literally have a fascist occupation and right now is not the time to disarm.
But maybe that’s the reason. The long-standing conflict between North and South in the USA may be THE reason nobody trusts the government and everybody wants to be armed; there’s a low key cold war going on between the north and south that has never been resolved, and a side effect is that when the population is deeply stressed and unhappy, shit like school shootings happen.
The guns are a sign of non-unity.
So, fix the conflict, the guns may go away on their own over time.
But asking people to disarm is like getting the world to de-nuke. And asking people to do it during conflict is… Well, good luck. Because even if the guns don’t provide protection in all instances, it definitely helps people feel more powerful. Though, in my experience it seems to have a calming effect since the people I’ve known don’t want to kill somebody, so they deescalate or leave a situation. I’m going to assume that’s the norm, but it doesn’t change the statistical fact that school shootings are prevalent.
The issue with removing the ARs from the equation is, multifaceted, obviously. It’s a right that you don’t get back, good luck getting everybody to disarm, compensation, it’s really engrained in culture for a lot of people and you have to convince them to basically change huge aspects of their lives, their hobbies, their heritage, their values, and worldview.
Do you see any of this differently?
Yes, I see it differently. Notice how literally every single other country in the entire world doesn’t do what the US does?
No it is not. That number was an outlier during covid. It’s back to car accidents. On top of that, the stats in the child deaths include 15-19 year olds, most of which are from gang shootings, not random 5 year olds being shot.
The way the anti-gun groups do numbers is specifically designed to make people think that toddlers are being killed every 2 seconds. More children drown every year in pools than by gun deaths, yet no one is screaming to outlaw pools. At the end of the day, most don’t care that kids are dying. They care how they die.
On top of that, the stats in the child deaths include 15-19 year olds, most of which are from gang shootings, not random 5 year olds being shot.
Yeah. So?
More children drown every year in pools than by gun deaths, yet no one is screaming to outlaw pools.
I do not understand why gun nuts cannot fathom the difference between something that has utility and can result in death, and something that serves no function other than being a point and click murder machine.
Yeah. So?
And there it is, the same disingenuous that the right uses for thier bullshit causes.
I do not understand why gun nuts cannot fathom the difference between something that has utility and can result in death, and something that serves no function other than being a point and click murder machine.
A pool has no use, you cannot use it for defense or putting food on the table. A firearm is a utility that has purpose. Fascist are literally snatching people up off the streets and you’re still arguing why no one should have firearms.
Swimming is literally the best excersize out there. A pool is useful for staying in good enough shape to actually fight.
You can do other exercises that don’t have the ability to kill children though, that’s the point.
And there it is, the same disingenuous that the right uses for thier bullshit causes.
It’s not disingenuous in any way shape or form.
You have basically said that children killed in gang shootings don’t matter. Try not to throw right wing shade around when you’re parroting their racist talking points about which people do and don’t matter.
A pool has no use, you cannot use it for defense or putting food on the table.
Lmao, bruh, it’s this niche little exercise called swimming, you might have heard of it. Try and pull your head out of your ass before pointing us to all the examples you have where ICE has been stopped by people with guns.
It’s not disingenuous in any way shape or form. You have basically said that children killed in gang shootings don’t matter. Try not to throw right wing shade around when you’re parroting their racist talking points about which people do and don’t matter.
It absolutely is.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/24/health/drowning-water-safety-swimming-children-wellness
Drowning is the leading cause of death in children ages 1 to 4, and after motor vehicle accidents, it is the second leading cause of death attributed to unintentional injuries among kids ages 5 to 14.
Gang violence is not a gun issue. It’s a educational, safety nets, and jobs issue. Aka social issue that doesn’t magically get corrected because you banned guns.
Also GTFO with the racist shit. I’m a minority and it’s a dog whistle for you to say “the facts don’t matter, cause it’s racist”. Shit doesn’t get better when you deflect like that. Tough conversations are required to solve tough issues.
Lmao, bruh, it’s this niche little exercise called swimming, you might have heard of it. Try and pull your head out of your ass before pointing us to all the examples you have where ICE has been stopped by people with guns.
We’re not at the start mill ICE phase yet. We still have judges blocking shit. You don’t start a civil war just because shit is getting bad.
I do not understand why gun nuts cannot fathom the difference between something that has utility and can result in death, and something that serves no function other than being a point and click murder machine.
There is obviously a lot you don’t understand, and until you do, you should probably not try to debate.
Make a relevant argument, or keep your mouth shut. No one needs to hear you talk other than you.
It is purely about selling more guns, everything else is just a convenient excuse.
America’s relationship with guns is darkly fascinating for those of us in other ‘western’ countries.
Americas relationship with guns is loony as fuck.
I mean you’re the country that made us this way. Shouldn’t be that big of a mystery
How so?
Trans person here who’s been attacked by a neo-Nazi - I really, really wish I had my gun at the time. Because, without it I was in a situation where I either had to let him kill me (not a good option) or pull a knife on him and at least try to seem crazy enough that he knew he’d be badly hurt too. Luckily that worked for me. If I’d had my gun, I could have at least drawn on him and told him that he was going to leave me be or die. My chances of survival would likely have been higher had I had my gun on me at the time.
“To defend themselves.”
Fuckin’ hell.
Try again.
To defend themselves and the people they care about? What are you on about son.
That account is a fascist enabler that just spreads FUD
It’s wild how many people are updooting comments and users without making any effort to understand what they’re saying. It’s like reddit all over again.
Yeah, how dare I point out that Americans are sleepwalking into their country’s final few years.
That’s not what you are doing and you know it. Fascist enabler. Have fun licking the boot in your country once you have helped them take us over.
“I’ve tried nothing and have already given up.” Excellent work.
Go play in traffic. I’ve done more than you, including calling out fascist collaborators such as yourself.
Yeah, I’m sure the snarky sign you took to the parade was excellent.
Gun owner and former military. One can purchase a rifle or pistol, but if you are not constantly training, muscle memory, with live rounds and maintaining your physical and mental fitness, you will fuck it up. The things I could do in my past, I can no longer replicate them with the speed and efficiency I once had.
One does not necessarily need the level of capability you’re referring to. The Jews fighting in the Warsaw ghetto did just fine for several weeks without that capability. The same lesson is also being demonstrated in Ukraine.
Yes, the more training, the better. But get a grip. You’re spreading FUD, bootlicker.
Not at all, because you will be the moron that will forget about the safety selector, end up shooting yourself in the foot or the friendly next to you.
Hilarious, the fantasies you tell yourself just to avoid realizing you’re the problem.
Like MAGA voting for Krasnov, go ahead and FAFO with a gun. I guarantee you will not be laughing.
Welcome to America the only country where you have to worry about your toddler shooting you.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fresno-unintentional-shooting-toddler-mother/
https://abc7.com/post/gun-safety-pregnant-woman-shot-norwalk-ohio-norkwalk-news/13410862/
For added bonus soo many guns even your dog will shoot you.
The gun lobby must be excited about this headline, we just need a few more gun sales to make us safe!
I never worried about my toddler shooting me, because I kept my guns in a safe.
You know how many people have loaded guns in their house. How many people that have a rifle leaning up against the wall by their door or a loaded handgun underneath their pillow.
This is an epidemic of death, but sure you are “safe”. That is why almost everyone knows someone who has died needlessly from gun violence.
Which is why it’s a good idea keep them in a safe instead, yes.
I totally agree you should be safe with a safe, but that is not what is happening soo?
So, people should be more responsible with their firearms. Like the user you replied to is.
It is the number one killer of children now. Clearly your best thoughts and wishes aren’t working. Over a million Americans are dead in the last twenty years and all you can say is be safe?
And what’s your solution?
Door-to-door gun confiscation? That’s not a policy, it’s a declaration of war. Do you wanna be the one going around to every redneck’s house saying, “Hi, I’m from the government and I’m here to take your guns away?” And if you start a war, who do you think is gonna win: the side with guns or the side without?
Banning gun sales? Too late, they’re already too widespread. The only thing that does is lock in the current situation, where the right has guns and the left (mostly) doesn’t.
If I’m stuck in an elevator with a Nazi, best case I have a gun and he doesn’t. Next is neither of us have guns. Next is we both have guns. And worst is he has a gun and I don’t. That’s where we’re at right now. If a right-winger with 5 guns can’t buy a 6th, it doesn’t matter, but if a leftist with zero guns can’t buy one it does.
Of course, both of those options go directly against the constitution and would be impossible to implement without an impossible supermajority or stacking the Court. And if you violate procedure you delegitimize the government, which is kind of important if you’re planning to fight a civil war.
So what’s left? Ineffectual, half-assed solutions that accomplish nothing other than pissing people off and make them panic-buy more guns.
Go ahead, walk me through what you want and how you’d go about it. I’m all ears.
I’ve decided on a shotgun. With buckshot you don’t have to aim, you get multiple shots, it’s inexpensive and you can hit multiple targets in unarmored areas. It’s just for home defense, I’m not sure if we should be carrying outside. We have to be careful though, life is worth saving not shooting.
Just a heads up, the whole “you don’t have to aim” is a complete myth. Shotgun spread is completely blown out of proportion. It’s somewhere around 0.5" to 1" per yard with barrel length, choke, and shot type affecting spread. Unless you’re insanely rich and live in a mansion, you’d be within 10 yards so you’d only get 5" to 10" of spread which really isn’t much especially since the pellets may not be evenly distributed within that diameter.
For anyone looking to buy a gun, educate yourself first to know what you’re getting into and go to the range consistently so you know how to use it. If you don’t do both of those, you’d be at risk of hurting yourself or someone else if ever you have to use it in a life or death situation.
Second this. Unless you’re sawing the barrel to a third, it doesn’t actually work how youd think if you never used a real shotgun.
In reality the best things about shotguns in self defence are that if you miss, you probably dont kill your neighbor. The bad part is there is very little penetration on pellets for any armored target.
You could also just use slugs which do work great for self defense, but can easily kill your neighbor.
I appreciate your feedback. I’ll think about it. Ar-15 was my other choice. If it was legal id buy a rocket launcher and just blow the whole house up because at that point fuck it…
AR15 is easy to shoot and aim. It’s also low recoil and weight. People should get them for home defense before getting a shotgun, you’re more likely to miss with a shotgun than an AR
SupraMario is right about getting an ar15. Lots of time and effort went into creating a great system with a well thought out set of compromises. From magazine capacity to parts availability to ergonomics, it’s a really solid system and I highly encourage people who can to own one per person in your household.
You should’ve gone with the Zodiac method.
Pistol and a flashlight in a supportive grip. When you do it right, the “dark spot” at the center of your flashlight beam is your general point of aim. Once you build that muscle memory, it’s better than a crosshair on a TV screen.
Because masked people with no ID think they can trespass on their property and rob them of their rights?
